Liverpool v Arsenal Saturday 5.30 KO BT Sport

Harry Palmr

So then the big sh*t the bed game of the weekend and maybe all season!

Liverpool's form has been wretched but as most of it has been outside the Prem games it's not had a great impact on the chances of a Top 4 finish - yet. Clearly though the sort of utterly lackadaisical football that saw Leicester win 3-1 simply cannot continue if Klopp is to match his words with deeds. On the injury list Sturridge continues his absence (don't ask), Hendo is out for this game as is Lovren almost certainly even if he is training. Ings and Grujic are also missing.

The only crumb of comfort for the home side is their record against the rest of the top third this season, which is exemplary - no defeats and 4 draws (Spurs, Chelsea and Man Utd twice).

Arsenal's record is by contrast pretty bad (5 points won v 15) but purely on chance Liverpool will probably lose a top 6 encounter at some point. I'll let a Gooner explain why things are so awful right now but I think the injury list for Arsenal is just Elneny and Cazorla which is a remarkable achievement for the club!

Guardian guesswork sez



Oh and I'm not going to apologise for starting this thread as form is the managers and players responsibility and clearly not some voodoo-witchcraft nonsense created by a poster on the internet.

Beasty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Oh and I'm not going to apologise for starting this thread as form is the managers and players responsibility and clearly not some voodoo-witchcraft nonsense created by a poster on the internet.

Y'er doooomed!!! Just sent a message to Wenger to put the champagne on ice....

:pac:

Giggsy11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The only crumb of comfort for the home side is their record against the rest of the top third this season, which is exemplary - no defeats and 4 draws (Spurs, Chelsea and Man Utd twice).

Arsenal's record is by contrast pretty bad (5 points won v 15) but purely on chance Liverpool will probably lose a top 6 encounter at some point. .

So what you are saying is 4 points from 12 (at home) is exemplary but 5 points from 15 is pretty bad (which also includes away games)?

One_Of_Shanks

Has the makings of a good game. Two technically gifted sides with a heap of players softer than an omelette.

With the likelihood that Emre Can plays in place of henderson, I fancy Arsenal to nick it.

5starpool

I was looking forward to this game, expecting nothing less than a 1-4 shellacking now though.

shamrock55

Im just gonna say one thing,if can plays we will lose

ratracer

It's liverpool vs a top 6 team, easy win for the pool, followed by a hammering next week by Burnley!!

Harry Palmr

Giggsy11 wrote: »

So what you are saying is 4 points from 12 (at home) is exemplary but 5 points from 15 is pretty bad (which also includes away games)?

Arsenal have won 5 points against the other top 6 sides and Liverpool have won 15. Arsenal do have two games in hand over Liverpool in this mini league though.

Giggsy11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Arsenal have won 5 points against the other top 6 sides and Liverpool have won 15. Arsenal do have two games in hand over Liverpool in this mini league though.

Ah thanks, I read it wrongly.

Gringo180

Ozil is injured.

Heisenberg1

It's on BT sports not Sky Sports.

Mr_Muffin

Liverpool 4-3.

It has the making of a classic.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

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Liverpool's form has been wretched but as most of it has been outside the Prem games it's not had a great impact on the chances of a Top 4 finish - .....
.....

WTF?

6 pts from 7 pl games is most of our bad form.

We've gone from clear 2nd to 5th.

Osmosis Jones

Augeo wrote: »

WTF?

6 pts from 7 pl games is most of our bad form.

We've gone from clear 2nd to 5th.

That's quite the statistic

Augeo wrote: »

6 pts in 7 PL games

Only sunderland (5 pts), Leicester (4 pts), M'Boro (4 pts) & b'Mouth (2 pts) are worse in 2017.

Awful

Augeo wrote: »

Our team & squad is better than 6 pts in 7 games, the team was full strength except for Henderson (and Lovren who isn't great to be fair more often than not) on Monday and after a warm weather training camp.

Augeo wrote: »

Our current problem is 6 pts from 7 consecutive league games in a season, add in the cup games and I doubt there's anything as bad in the last 27 years.

Augeo wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, 6 pts from 7 PL games is a disgrace from our squad.

Augeo wrote: »

Our team & squad is most certainly better than 6 pts in 7 pl games.
Worst case scenario we need to be able to shut up shop and grind out results to put points on the board during turbulent times... 6 pts from 7 games & 2 cup exits in two calender months is not far off a free fall .... we were challenging for the PL title 8 games ago and the transfer window just about to open.

Augeo wrote: »

We are looking at 6 pts from 7 PL games now, that's not far off relegation form. Add in all the cup games in 2017 and we are on the worse run I can recall. I'm not going to bother finding out how far back you have to go to see a worse run

BorneTobyWilde

Finally an easy game, if only we could play top 6 every week.

Mr.Nice Guy

3-1 to Liverpool.

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

I was looking forward to this game, expecting nothing less than a 1-4 shellacking now though.

Type of game Liverpool could win well.
Arsenal are anything but direct.
The only game Liverpool play is pressing and if they do it well Arsenal will melt.
Henderson missing is your main problem however.

Here's hoping for the draw.

sReq | uTeK

Liverpool are pretty terrible and their one trick pony tactic is easy to circumvent If Wenger has actually done any tactics for the game id expect an easy arsenal win

Unearthly

Think Wenger will do a Spurs and go there in a naive manner

greendom

Arsenal are in such a poor run of form at the moment. Incapable of putting in a performance for 90 minutes.

Liverpool supporters I see your Can and I raise you Coquelin. He used to do a job but he just doesn't cut it anymore. A liability.

KaiserGunner

Was thinking a few days ago that this game would finish 3-3 with both teams playing like clowns at the back. Now that Ozil is apparently out, I can only see a Liverpool win. If Liverpool get an early goal or two this could get ugly for Arsenal. I've absolutely no confidence in this Arsenal side to turn up away from home against a top side with the crowd behind them. 3-1 Liverpool.

kfallon

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Was thinking a few days ago that this game would finish 3-3 with both teams playing like clowns at the back. Now that Ozil is apparently out, I can only see a Liverpool win. If Liverpool get an early goal or two this could get ugly for Arsenal. I've absolutely no confidence in this Arsenal side to turn up away from home against a top side with the crowd behind them. 3-1 Liverpool.

Us Liverpool fans don't have much confidence in our own team either at the minute!

Osmosis Jones

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

That's quite the statistic

Indeed. Folks seem oblivious to it though.... most of our bad form in the cup....

niallo27

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Liverpool are pretty terrible and their one trick pony tactic is easy to circumvent If Wenger has actually done any tactics for the game id expect an easy arsenal win

If it is so easy how come spurs and Utd struggled so much. Surely Jose would know how to circumvent these tactics.

Jayop

I've so far been absolutely certain that both teams will win and it'll be a draw. Honestly no clue really what will happen here. Funny the fact it's at Anfield could help arsenal.

Jayop

niallo27 wrote: »

If it is so easy how come spurs and Utd struggled so much. Surely Jose would know how to circumvent these tactics.

Two draws isn't exactly awful. In the first game ye we're in the middle of your purple patch and in the second it was just before your slump.

Also it can't be denied that Liverpool have been game raising for the bug teams all season.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Jayop wrote: »

Two draws isn't exactly awful. In the first game ye we're in the middle of your purple patch and in the second it was just before your slump.

Also it can't be denied that Liverpool have been game raising for the bug teams all season.

I'd say Liverpool will squash them.:pac:

adox

Everything points to a Liverpool win. Their best performances and results have been against top 6 opposition. Arsenal have a poor record at Anfield(I think!) and Liverpools pressing game won't suit Arsenal at all.

GavRedKing

Lesser teams have got around the press by lumping to big men and hitting quickly on the break so theres a blue print there, it will require Arsenal to put in a defensive shift and with the passenger Ozil injured, those chances have increased greatly already.

Its the perefect game to start Giroud, not many better link up men in the league, with Iwobi and Sanchez off him, although Walcott will probably get the nod in a front three.

I still expect Liverpool to win though by the odd goal but Arsenal have a decent record at Anfield in the last 2 or 3 years, it took late golas for Pool to rescue results against Arsenal.

Kerrigooney

2-2 I think. Hope I'm wrong. Hope it's 5-0 to Liverpool and Arsenal TV will be gold.

Nalz

3-1 or 4-1 to Pool

keano_afc

Arsenal slight favourites, Liverpool in bad form and there for the taking at the back.

Liverpool 3-0 Arsenal.

Turtyturd

Can't see us getting anything from this but Arsenal could be distracted by the possibility of a historic CL second leg draw against Bayern this week.

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/lfc/status/838063713013870592

NukaCola

1-1 draw.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Sanchez isn't starting for Arsenal.

SlickRic

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Sanchez isn't starting for Arsenal.

It has to be a knock.

Dirty Dingus McGee

SlickRic wrote: »

It has to be a knock.

He's on the bench though so can't be that bad I guess.If he comes on flies around the place and scores a goal I can't wait to read the reaction on the Arsenal thread.

Harry Palmr

Welbeck and Giroud is interesting.

SEPT 23 1989

Liverpool will give them a hiding this evening

5-1

NukaCola

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Welbeck and Giroud is interesting.

System change. Going more direct I'd say.

Agent Coulson

No Sanchez well Arsenal TV is going to be fun after the match no matter the result.

5starpool

Xhaka to get sent off early as Liverpool still can't break down Arsenal and lose 0-2 with a couple of goals on the break, Walcott to get the second in the 88th minute to kill the game off.

FixitFelix

NukaCola wrote: »

System change. Going more direct I'd say.

If Leicester game is anything to go by that's the way to play against Liverpool

passremarkable

Lads stuck on graftonstreet, where is nearest/beat place to watch game ?

Skylinehead

passremarkable wrote: »

Lads stuck on graftonstreet, where is nearest/beat place to watch game ?

Mercantile on Dame Street will have it, and a load of Arsenal fans. Not sure where Pool fans go

5starpool

passremarkable wrote: »

Lads stuck on graftonstreet, where is nearest/beat place to watch game ?

If you are the Stephen's green end, Sinnott's has loads of screens for watching football.

_Kaiser_

I do like Klopp in interviews.. gonna give them the benefit of the doubt here and hope the Leicester game woke them up.. 2-1

Berserker

passremarkable wrote: »

Lads stuck on graftonstreet, where is nearest/beat place to watch game ?

Sinnotts pub on South King Street, beside the Stephens Green shopping centre, will show it for definite. Think Liverpool will steam roll Arsenal just like Spurs. Arsenal have a terrible record against the other top six sides.

niallo27

No your worse no we are worse. I don't know what the **** will happen.

Vicxas

No idea how this is going to go.

Considering how ****e we were last week.