The Walking Dead | Season 7 | Episode 11 | Hostiles and Calamities [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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The Walking Dead - Season 7

Episode 11 - "Hostiles and Calamities"

Airdate - February 26th on AMC at 9/8c | February 27th on FOX UK at 9PM

An Alexandrian discovers they must navigate the mysterious, confusing and terrifying world within the Saviors' compound.

Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvCOq5idsiM

Sneak Peek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sz_vb3c7Zs

Sneak Peek 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49wZ0RGG6s

Hank Scorpio

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Dwight is slowly becoming one of my favorite characters, would be amazing if he eventually switched sides.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

9

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Dwight is slowly becoming one of my favorite characters, would be amazing if he eventually switched sides.

Dwight, Eugene and Negan are my three favourites at the moment, so I really enjoyed this episode a lot.

The Talking Bread

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Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Dwight, Eugene and Negan are my three favourites at the moment, so I really enjoyed this episode a lot.

Yeah, they are fascinating characters, superbly cast also.

DoozerT6

I'm a little lost - why did Dwight set up the doctor??....

Blazer

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DoozerT6 wrote: »

I'm a little lost - why did Dwight set up the doctor??....

Someone had to be set up and the doctor was an easy target. Didn't his wife work with the doctor as well?

The Talking Bread

8

Very good episode. Can't believe someone gave it a 4!

speckled_park

7

Best episode in a while! Felt sorry for Dwight when he left the beer and crisps in the house, great scene. By the end of he episode however I was back to disliking him, a tortured soul! Nice to see the humane side of Negans wives too. Did Eugene looking at the ginger lad near the start have any significance?

expectationlost

is Negan stupid? kills a doctor for research scientist?

is dwight really that important?

The Talking Bread

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expectationlost wrote: »

is Negan stupid? kills a doctor for research scientist?

is dwight really that important?

He has another "doctor Carson" if you picked up on that ! ; )

Lone Stone

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expectationlost wrote: »

is Negan stupid? kills a doctor for research scientist?

is dwight really that important?

that's exactly what i was thinking at the time, i was like i dont think some know's that the title "DR" does not always mean medical doctor.. I was also a bit baffled by the whole framing of the dr part didnt really make much sense but yeah odd choice.

It was a good episode i think the best one so far since it came back on air, clearly tho i doubt Eugene is going to be on side with negan for long or at least he's just waiting for a sign from rick and the group for an attack no doubt.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

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Lone Stone wrote: »

It was a good episode i think the best one so far since it came back on air, clearly tho i doubt Eugene is going to be on side with negan for long or at least he's just waiting for a sign from rick and the group for an attack no doubt.

Eugene is the Inside Man, and therefore the most valuable asset in the upcoming war.

If Daryl had had his wits about him, he would've gotten on Negan's side, gathered intelligence about how Negan's operation works, realised the majority of Negan's army only follow him out of fear - all of which is valuable information for Rick and everyone looking to take Negan down. Daryl was never forward thinking enough to realise this, but Eugene clearly is and is playing a blinder so far.

5starpool

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DoozerT6 wrote: »

I'm a little lost - why did Dwight set up the doctor??....

Probably because it's clear that the doctor is fully on Negans side now and he was easy to set up. It's clear Dwight has switched sides effectively and is biding his time.

molloyjh

Anyone else think Eugene is genuinely team Negan at the moment? I don't think it'll last, but I do think he's sold on the idea. He's getting more than he had in Alexandria and is also getting recognition while being kept safe.

mzungu

Best episode for quite some time.

Lone Stone wrote:

It was a good episode i think the best one so far since it came back on air, clearly tho i doubt Eugene is going to be on side with negan for long or at least he's just waiting for a sign from rick and the group for an attack no doubt

I hope so, I wouldn't like to see Eugene becoming a turncoat.

Although I don't mind the OTT stuff, Negan was a tad less hammy tonight and it suited him better.

Lovely Bloke

Eugene is not a turncoat, he kept the tablets he made for use at a more opportune time.

The scene where Dwight was in the cottage by himself, and left the pretzels and beer was great.

Why didn't the doctor scream in agony when he was launched into the fire, not even a struggle?

sabhail

7

Great episode. Wasn't there some scenes early on with sherry, Dr and Dwight ..maybe dwight came in at end of dr talking to sherry? I had impression Dwight and sherry didn't like Dr., so a good candidate to be framed from Dwight's pt of view.

CPSW

7

Gave it an 8.  Thought it was a really good episode in terms of the character development of Eugene and Dwight.  Felt sorry for Dwight early on in the episode and was back to hating him later on (suppose he has to do anything to survive Negan's wrath).  Loved how "Easy Street" made Eugene nod along rather than pull his hair out from listening to it!
Don't think Eugene will turn on Rick and Co, he will be their inside man when everyone goes to war.  Have a feeling that those tablets he made with be TWD's version of the ricin from Breaking Bad and will make an appearance later on in the series.
Just hope no one is expecting Dr. Eugene to perform any surgeries on any medical emergencies! :-)

The Talking Bread

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Eugene being a "play the long game" inside man is just too obvious. Or maybe the fact that it is too obvious makes you think it is obvious that the twist is that he has turned but the twist is then that he hasn't turned..............I genuinely, for the first time in a while, and being a comic reader also haven't a clue where they might go with this one. Surely though, he wants revenge for Abraham.........but surely that's too obvious.


It's intriguing, this one.

MarkR

Did I see a hint of a smile from Eugene when he was walking away from Neegan at one stage? I think it was when he was carrying the pickles. As in, the plan is going nicely, or, this is pretty sweet...

I was a little confused about the memory comment from Dwight's wife. He's not acting like the automaton that she is describing. Wonder will we see a zombie in a black party dress next week?

The red haired shop lifter, and the two wives, may be showing us that there is scope for resistance against Neegan, if the opportunity arose.

thegreengoblin

They've done more character development with Dwight in this season than they have with most of the others in the last three or four seasons! He's definitely going to take a shot at old bendy legs some day soon, you can sense it.

Speaking of Negan, I want to see him in action...firing guns, organising his men, leading them into battle. Enough of the 'well look at youuuu' sh1te, it's beyond tiresome now. Decent episode though.

expectationlost

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

Eugene is not a turncoat, he kept the tablets he made for use at a more opportune time.

The scene where Dwight was in the cottage by himself, and left the pretzels and beer was great.

Why didn't the doctor scream in agony when he was launched into the fire, not even a struggle?

the doctor did scream.

So Eugene made poison pills and Dwight got the doctor killed...

Larsso30

decent episode.

i missed the very end , what was the exchange with dwight and eugene about?

Fox Hound

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This all shows you how effective Neagan can be as a leader.....he obviously knows how to read people and is becoming a brilliant character in my opinion, 
He knew that Darrell needed to be broken and having him tossed in a cell and slowly chipping away at him would be the only way....deprive him of food and make him fear for his safety...on the outside Darnell relies doent have to depend on people, if it came down to it, he can Hunt, Fight and survive on his own,...Neagan needed him to feel like he wasn't in control and completely weak...and then on the flip side how he treats Eugene, is equally brilliant 
On the outside Eugene never feels safe and always needs protection...and is most often or not treated as a bit of a joke with ricks group,.....where as Neagan Knew, that if he gave Eugene some attention and make him feel protected,,, whilst at the same time giving him a taste of power he would easily win him over... and it worked...or so eugene is letting him think it has worked,,,,,great episode really enjoyed it...the easy street scene was also amazing!! and really evoked the different strategy taken by neagan!!!

molloyjh

Fox Hound wrote: »

This all shows you how effective Neagan can be as a leader.....he obviously knows how to read people and is becoming a brilliant character in my opinion,

I actually think the episode had loads of contradictions in it, deliberately so. It was highlighted by the Easy Street song. Something that indicated Daryls hopeless situation previously, but highlights Eugenes positive situation now. Negan has read Eugene really well and Eugene is on board. He hasn't read Dwight well at all though and Dwight is very much not on board. It shows Negan is flawed and potentially vulnerable despite the position he is in and how good he is at controlling it.

Scraggs

thegreengoblin wrote: »

They've done more character development with Dwight in this season than they have with most of the others in the last three or four seasons! He's definitely going to take a shot at old bendy legs some day soon, you can sense it.

Speaking of Negan, I want to see him in action...firing guns, organising his men, leading them into battle. Enough of the 'well look at youuuu' sh1te, it's beyond tiresome now. Decent episode though.

That cracked me up!


I thought the exchange between Dwight and Eugene at the end of the episode was hinting at the pair playing the long game and waiting for their opportunity... or have I read too much into it?

The Talking Bread

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Scraggs wrote: »

That cracked me up!


I thought the exchange between Dwight and Eugene at the end of the episode was hinting at the pair playing the long game and waiting for their opportunity... or have I read too much into it?

No, you could see a mental unison there possibly.,...............but on the other hand, you could see Dwight and Eugene "exchanging places" in a way as Neagan's right hand man. Eugene, the enthusiastic (or seemingly so) "We are Neagan" as compared to Dwight's stumbling statement of "We are Neagan" with Eugene, seemingly content and on board with his new environment compared to Dwight's ever growing distancing from same.

Pete Moss

Scraggs wrote:

I thought the exchange between Dwight and Eugene at the end of the episode was hinting at the pair playing the long game and waiting for their opportunity... or have I read too much into it?

That was the angle of that scene. It showed the two people capable of sabotaging Negan from the inside.

The scene also showed Eugene eating a pickle next to a man who's penis he bit in self defense in a previous episode. Terrific writing.

Fox Hound

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old bendy legs 

HAHAHAHAAH love it!!!!

Fox Hound

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molloyjh wrote: »

Fox Hound wrote: »

This all shows you how effective Neagan can be as a leader.....he obviously knows how to read people and is becoming a brilliant character in my opinion,

I actually think the episode had loads of contradictions in it, deliberately so. It was highlighted by the Easy Street song. Something that indicated Daryls hopeless situation previously, but highlights Eugenes positive situation now. Negan has read Eugene really well and Eugene is on board. He hasn't read Dwight well at all though and Dwight is very much not on board. It shows Negan is flawed and potentially vulnerable despite the position he is in and how good he is at controlling it.

Neagan Does know that Dwight is up to something....Thats why he said that if his wife turns up...then Dwight will have the other side of his face burned off.....he just needed to make an example of someone for Eugene's sake as Eugene is the new "toy" to play with.....and the doctor was less effort than Dwight...Plus killing Dwight could have more backlash within the group....Neagan also looks like a guy that probably gets board easily and playing these mind games seem to humor him alot....

expectationlost

Fox Hound wrote: »

Neagan Does know that Dwight is up to something....Thats why he said that if his wife turns up...then Dwight will have the other side of his face burned off.....he just needed to make an example of someone for Eugene's sake as Eugene is the new "toy" to play with.....and the doctor was less effort than Dwight...Plus killing Dwight could have more backlash within the group....Neagan also looks like a guy that probably gets board easily and playing these mind games seem to humor him alot....

but but is 100% sure Eugene is a doctor?

expectationlost

Scraggs wrote: »

That cracked me up!


I thought the exchange between Dwight and Eugene at the end of the episode was hinting at the pair playing the long game and waiting for their opportunity... or have I read too much into it?

potentially so, but they havn't discussed it yet have they.

Fox Hound

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expectationlost wrote: »

Fox Hound wrote: »

Neagan Does know that Dwight is up to something....Thats why he said that if his wife turns up...then Dwight will have the other side of his face burned off.....he just needed to make an example of someone for Eugene's sake as Eugene is the new "toy" to play with.....and the doctor was less effort than Dwight...Plus killing Dwight could have more backlash within the group....Neagan also looks like a guy that probably gets board easily and playing these mind games seem to humor him alot....

but but is 100% sure Eugene is a doctor?

well its up to Eugene to keep convincing him he is....otherwise Eugene will get the Bat!!

Owryan

molloyjh wrote: »

Anyone else think Eugene is genuinely team Negan at the moment? I don't think it'll last, but I do think he's sold on the idea. He's getting more than he had in Alexandria and is also getting recognition while being kept safe.

That's what I thought at first but his conversation with the guy with the burnt face looked to me like he was sounding him out. Wonder will he use his "intelligence" to subvert negan's followers from within

wavehopper1

expectationlost wrote: »

but but is 100% sure Eugene is a doctor?

On this point - isn't the "other Dr Carson" the doctor at the Hilltop place where Maggie is? I figure Neegan will send a deputation to march in and take him. Which means that if Daryl is there...

expectationlost

wavehopper1 wrote: »

On this point - isn't the "other Dr Carson" the doctor at the Hilltop place where Maggie is? I figure Neegan will send a deputation to march in and take him. Which means that if Daryl is there...

I was confused by that, he gestured at Eugene so I just thought Eugenes surname was Carson.

Guy:Incognito

Am I reading too much in to Eugene's description of his work before the apocalypse? Could it come it eventually that their work created the virus and he knows he can't cure it?

The Talking Bread

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Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Am I reading too much in to Eugene's description of his work before the apocalypse? Could it come it eventually that their work created the virus and he knows he can't cure it?

You have missed a few seasons, yeah...........

Pete Moss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Am I reading too much in to Eugene's description of his work before the apocalypse? Could it come it eventually that their work created the virus and he knows he can't cure it?

It was revealed previously that Eugene is an exceptionally good liar and has used the lines he fed Negan, regarding his experience in working with pathogens, before in order to manipulate people and increase their need to protect him.

wavehopper1

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Am I reading too much in to Eugene's description of his work before the apocalypse? Could it come it eventually that their work created the virus and he knows he can't cure it?

Eugene spouted that stuff about the genome project in the past, basically to secure protection of his "special knowledge" from people more bad-ass than him. It's all part of his character - his ability (and willingness) to lie to get other people to protect him. He came clean eventually to Rick's group.

I don't think he has PHds coming out of his backside either, he's just a really-well read nerd trying to survive the apocalypse.

The Talking Bread

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wavehopper1 wrote: »

On this point -

isn't the "other Dr Carson" the doctor at the Hilltop place where Maggie is? I figure Neegan will send a deputation to march in and take him.

Which means that if Daryl is there...

may want to throw a big fat spoiler on this as, as far as I am aware at this stage, this isn't non-comic reader knowledge and is a twist. i could be wrong though, but I am pretty sure it hasn't been revealed yet.

stronglikebull

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The Talking Bread wrote: »

may want to throw a big fat spoiler on this as, as far as I am aware at this stage, this isn't non-comic reader knowledge and is a twist. i could be wrong though, but I am pretty sure it hasn't been revealed yet.

It's pretty common knowledge that there is a doctor at the Hilltop, it's where they spent the whole last episode of the last season, and the first episode this season, trying to get to. Haven't a clue what his name is though, much like I've no idea what the doctor in the furnace's name was, nor what Eugene's surname is.

Not a bad episode. But I wonder if Neagan really is that short sighted and stupid. They find one little note in the doctor's office, and for that he's burned to death. Really stupid to kill someone that important. Why does Neagan keep trusting Dwight when Dwight keeps failing him and letting him down? It's just lazy writing in order to serve some future plot point.

StringerBell

Enjoyed the episode, and Im a bit short for time at the minute so can't get out a detailedpost for why, but I am pretty sure Neagan is aware all is not right with "Dwighty boy" but he feels secure, and confident in handling whatever he has up his sleeve and is wanting to see how it plays out right now.

There have surely been tests of his leadership before and he has plenty of confidence in his abilities to maintain control.

expectationlost

StringerBell wrote: »

Enjoyed the episode, and Im a bit short for time at the minute so can't get out a detailedpost for why, but I am pretty sure Neagan is aware all is not right with "Dwighty boy" but he feels secure, and confident in handling whatever he has up his sleeve and is wanting to see how it plays out right now.

There have surely been tests of his leadership before and he has plenty of confidence in his abilities to maintain control.

might the doctor actually have helpd dwights wife to escape?

and dwight wants him dead partly because he enable negan's sex slavery and reminds him of it.

expectationlost

The Talking Bread wrote: »

may want to throw a big fat spoiler on this as, as far as I am aware at this stage, this isn't non-comic reader knowledge and is a twist. i could be wrong though, but I am pretty sure it hasn't been revealed yet.

its not really a spoiler its logical conclusion of him referencing Dr Carson.

The Talking Bread

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expectationlost wrote: »

The Talking Bread wrote: »

may want to throw a big fat spoiler on this as, as far as I am aware at this stage, this isn't non-comic reader knowledge and is a twist. i could be wrong though, but I am pretty sure it hasn't been revealed yet.

its not really a spoiler its logical conclusion of him referencing Dr Carson.

I would be willing to wager that this was something non comic readers didn't cop on to though. I couldn't give a damn but it 's reveal leads to a big moment next week which would have surprised many. I'm not trying to play the good guy here, I just think a spoiler is a spoiler so let's leave it at that!!

Just explaining why I feel a spoiler was necessary but I'm not telling you off!

Scraggs

Dr. Carson introduced himself to Maggie when examining her and Gregory or Jesus (possibly both) have spoken about him using his name so it's not a spoiler. I don't read the comics and tbh I'm fairly dense and I picked up on it

The Talking Bread

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Ah, fair enough. It played out differently in the comics anyway, ie the burning furnace scene didn't happen so it will make for something different, plot development wise!

wavehopper1

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I would be willing to wager that this was something non comic readers didn't cop on to though. I couldn't give a damn but it 's reveal leads to a big moment next week which would have surprised many. I'm not trying to play the good guy here, I just think a spoiler is a spoiler so let's leave it at that!!

Just explaining why I feel a spoiler was necessary but I'm not telling you off!

Hmm, I don't read the comics. Now you seem to be suggesting my wild speculation is actually gonna happen next week, and since you're familiar with the comic books, then - yeah - you need to spoiler that :rolleyes:

The Talking Bread

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wavehopper1 wrote: »

Hmm, I don't read the comics. Now you seem to be suggesting my wild speculation is actually gonna happen next week, and since you're familiar with the comic books, then - yeah - you need to spoiler that :rolleyes:

I already said that the comic went down a different route......so it is impossible for me to spoiler it!

What I was saying was moreso about the relationship of the 2 guys which had not been revealed on the show yet you seemed to be sure of it -giving me good reason to think you were a comic reader- It is is revealed next week/week after and I thought it wouldn't do any harm to spoiler it.

As I said I wasn't having a go, so no need to roll the eyes

J Mysterio

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Must be my love of zonbies that keeps me watchig this but Walking Dead has been ****e for a while.

That fučkin horror episode with Negan (was it the first episode?) was one of the most traumatic things i've ever seen. Even worse with a hangover. But it's continued to be ****ty.

Fear the Walking Dead had something to it in Season 1 but that went a bit ****ty too.