No wages AGAIN

HenryHill

Hi folks I need some advice here this morning, I recently started a new job on the 8th Feb, they pay their staff 4 weekly I started toward the end of the pay period but still workerd 25 hours before the monthly cut off,
I was due to be paid last Friday with everyone else for those hours worked.

No payment was made into my account and I tried in vain to contact my boss over that weekend. Monday morning I contacted the office who were all apologies and told me a payment would be made this week.

Here I am Friday morning and no payment made again, I am going to contact the office again at 9am but I have a feeling they'll try fob me off, what would be the best course of action for me to take at this point or what would be the best thing to say to them.

I literally have my bus fare home in my pocket nothing else 😰

Thanks

king size mars bar

No pay no work simple!

Donal55

HenryHill wrote: »

Hi folks I need some advice here this morning, I recently started a new job on the 8th Feb, they pay their staff 4 weekly I started toward the end of the pay period but still workerd 25 hours before the monthly cut off,
I was due to be paid last Friday with everyone else for those hours worked.

No payment was made into my account and I tried in vain to contact my boss over that weekend. Monday morning I contacted the office who were all apologies and told me a payment would be made this week.

Here I am Friday morning and no payment made again, I am going to contact the office again at 9am but I have a feeling they'll try fob me off, what would be the best course of action for me to take at this point or what would be the best thing to say to them.

I literally have my bus fare home in my pocket nothing else 😰

Thanks

Its really time for you to bite the bullet. You've already admitted they're likely to fpb you off again. I was going to say does it pay well, but no it doesn't.
If I were you I'd go in seeking the money, and if you get fobbed off you've got to decide are you going to 'clock in', or are you going to phone NERA from the office.
I know what I would do.

HenryHill

king size mars bar wrote: »

No pay no work simple!

That's what I feel like saying to them, but I'm on a probation period and don't really want to rock the boat too much in case I get the chop.

HenryHill

Donal55 wrote: »

Its really time for you to bite the bullet. You've already admitted they're likely to fpb you off again. I was going to say does it pay well, but no it doesn't.
If I were you I'd go in seeking the money, and if you get fobbed off you've got to decide are you going to 'clock in', or are you going to phone NERA from the office.
I know what I would do.

Thanks for the advice , I'm going to tell them I need payment today end of story and give them till 12pm to sort it out, if it's not sorted out, I'll be on the bus home. Cheers

Donal55

HenryHill wrote: »

That's what I feel like saying to them, but I'm on a probation period and don't really want to rock the boat too much in case I get the chop.

You're not rocking the boat in asking for your wages.
However the fact you have to ask may will appear to your employer that you are. I'll ask a rheotorical question, 'are you in a union, or is the job unionised?' Id say the answer is no.

You'll have no wages today probably, so why give him another 8 hours work. Give NERa a call and start sending out cvs would be my advice.

HenryHill

Donal55 wrote: »

You're not rocking the boat in asking for your wages.
However the fact you have to ask may will appear to your employer that you are. I'll ask a rheotorical question, 'are you in a union, or is the job unionised?' Id say the answer is no.

You'll have no wages today probably, so why give him another 8 hours work. Give NERa a call and start sending out cvs would be my advice.

I am in the security industry and a member of siptu, however i have been told by colleagues that this employer will have no dealings with any trade union.

mastering plastering

should you get fobbed off again today you should name the company here

Zulu

Quick question, why would you not want to get the chop from a job that's not paying?

Donal55

HenryHill wrote: »

I am in the security industry and a member of siptu, however i have been told by colleagues that this employer will have no dealings with any trade union.

Go into work and listen to their story and then ring Siptu at 9.
You're entitled to your wages so you should get them.
Have to go myself.
Good luck.

JustAThought

Zulu wrote: »

Quick question, why would you not want to get the chop from a job that's not paying?

Because he hopes in the long run it will be the good job he hopes for. Could it be be that admin/payroll are not co-ordinated & have a reputation for being disempowered - maybe a manager who is needed for sign-off of a new account is unavailable/off sick?
Could be lots of different reasons. You have invested 20+ Working days - don't loose the head now. Your first port of call is the office/ or failing any comfirmation from that their payroll manager - start early - go into the office it is a priority - say you are concerned & now worried & under financial pressure about the status of your overdue pay & that while this is being sorted out you need to organise a sub as you have commitments to meet. Rent/bills/petrol/etc And don't leave the office until you get to speak by phone or in person to someone who has the authority ( if it isn't the lady in the office) to give you a sub today, and explain when you will recieve your overdue wages. You have already 'subbed' them 20+ days work .

Hammering on about unions , nera etc will just get you beanded a troublemaker & fired.

I forgot. Always useful to have something in writing too - after you have spoken to them it might be useful to send a kindly worded summary email. After all - you will need proof for anuone to follow up on. As per our conversation in the (x St) office today, I am heartened by your assurances the months wages due to me will be paid into my (account details here) bank account by X date. As you might imagine I am fully comitted to Y organisation & as this is my only income this has caused financial pressure on me & been a cause of worry. I am heartened to hear this /these error(s) will be resolved by X pm today . Kindest regards, Z & title in the company.

Delacent

HenryHill wrote: »

Thanks for the advice , I'm going to tell them I need payment today end of story and give them till 12pm to sort it out, if it's not sorted out, I'll be on the bus home. Cheers

Give them an ultimatum and you'll have your pay and p45 by end of day.

They pay monthly - you did 25 hours before the cut off - about 3 days of a full month.

Wage report was probably done up before you did your 3 days as reports can be completed a week prior to payroll being processed.

Explain how it is causing a financial headache and ask if you could get a €200 sub to be taken off when the full payroll is run next month.


Going in with ultimatums will have one loser - you. Two weeks into a job and you have zero rights and you'll just be given a p45.

Delacent

JustAThought wrote: »

Because he hopes in the long run it will be the good job he hopes for. Could it be be that admin/payroll are not co-ordinated & have a reputation for being disempowered - maybe a manager who is needed for sign-off of a new account is unavailable/off sick?
Could be lots of different reasons. You have invested 20+ Working days - don't loose the head now. Your first port of call is the office/ or failing any comfirmation from that their payroll manager - start early - go into the office it is a priority - say you are concerned & now worried & under financial pressure about the status of your overdue pay & that while this is being sorted out you need to organise a sub as you have commitments to meet. Rent/bills/petrol/etc And don't leave the office until you get to speak by phone or in person to someone who has the authority ( if it isn't the lady in the office) to give you a sub today, and explain when you will recieve your overdue wages. You have already 'subbed' them 20+ days work .

Hammering on about unions , nera etc will just get you beanded a troublemaker & fired.

20+ HOURS not days. 3 days before cutoff.

Admin issue, that's all.

But some posters suggest threatening the company with unions and nera - utter and complete stupidity.

Manners and calmness always sorts out issues best.

JustAThought

Hours not days??? Omg. I misread - si sorry - eyepoppung stupidity to cause a scene let alone union talk or nera nonsense. It is just standard gap between payroll and cut off point for wages reconciliation in the back office. Its a proper outfil - not a cash in hand at the end of the day place.

No subs, borrow off your friends/family & keep the jaw firmly shut or you will be finished. Ask your colleagues what the usual payment system is - they shoukd know - hours must be logged x hours before a particular time & date to be included in the next payroll - then bank transferred by Y date into account.

Standard stuff, no intrigue or union nonsense.

HenryHill

Delacent wrote: »

20+ HOURS not days. 3 days before cutoff.

Admin issue, that's all.

But some posters suggest threatening the company with unions and nera - utter and complete stupidity.

Manners and calmness always sorts out issues best.

An admin issue caused non payment last week, so another admin issue this week ? Fairly ridiculous for a large company. I'll be asking for a sub that's for sure.

HenryHill

JustAThought wrote: »

Hours not days??? Omg. I misread - si sorry - eyepoppung stupidity to cause a scene let alone union talk or nera nonsense. It is just standard gap between payroll and cut off point for wages reconciliation in the back office. Its a proper outfil - not a cash in hand at the end of the day place.

No subs, borrow off your friends/family & keep the jaw firmly shut or you will be finished. Ask your colleagues what the usual payment system is - they shoukd know - hours must be logged x hours before a particular time & date to be included in the next payroll - then bank transferred by Y date into account.

Standard stuff, no intrigue or union nonsense.

Ive borrowed money from friends and family up till now, there is a point when you can't borrow anymore

realdanbreen

HenryHill wrote: »

Hi folks I need some advice here this morning, I recently started a new job on the 8th Feb, they pay their staff 4 weekly I started toward the end of the pay period but still workerd 25 hours before the monthly cut off,
I was due to be paid last Friday with everyone else for those hours worked.

No payment was made into my account and I tried in vain to contact my boss over that weekend. Monday morning I contacted the office who were all apologies and told me a payment would be made this week.

Here I am Friday morning and no payment made again, I am going to contact the office again at 9am but I have a feeling they'll try fob me off, what would be the best course of action for me to take at this point or what would be the best thing to say to them.

I literally have my bus fare home in my pocket nothing else 😰

Thanks

Were you told at the interview that wages were paid every month?
25 hours pay will not carry you very far so had you budgeted for the 4 weeks you would be waiting ?

HenryHill

HenryHill wrote: »

An admin issue caused non payment last week, so another admin issue this week ? Fairly ridiculous for a large company. I'll be asking for a sub that's for sure.

If you are paid monthly or every four weeks there probably wouldn't be another payment until the middle of March.

whomitconcerns

Op this sounds normal, if you start on a company on 28th of a month and work 3 days and payday is the 31st then most likely you won't be paid till the 31st of the following month.. That's how it works.

If you kick up like you are saying, I would not be worried to be told goodbye. And in most companies I worked for we would not give a sub either as it would just leave you on a constant back foot for wages

HenryHill

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Op this sounds normal, if you start on a company on 28th of a month and work 3 days and payday is the 31st then most likely you won't be paid till the 31st of the following month.. That's how it works.

If you kick up like you are saying, I would not be worried to be told goodbye. And in most companies I worked for we would not give a sub either as it would just leave you on a constant back foot for wages

But I was told I would be paid , you don't tell someone they are getting paid and then don't pay them

Payments do take time to filter through the banking system - it might be there in a couple of hours.

davo10

HenryHill wrote: »

But I was told I would be paid , you don't tell someone they are getting paid and then don't pay them

Op, if you started on the 8th and worked a few days before payroll date, then it is fair to assume that the next payroll date is not for at least another 10 days. Most companies, including my own, have payroll software where wages are calculated and paid to all employees on the same day. We don't pay any other day apart from the standard, stated pay day. I would be surprised if the employer agreed to pay you after 2 weeks and everyone else after 4.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Were you told at the interview that wages were paid every month?
25 hours pay will not carry you very far so had you budgeted for the 4 weeks you would be waiting ?

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dartboardio

Go in and hunt your money down. Don't leave without your money, you don't need to be horrible about it, its your money, just say you have bills to pay you need it today that you can't wait any longer. If they try bull**** you by saying Monday Monday. Say no I'll take cash right now. Hate employers like this have had my share

ellobee

Sounds to me like the wages dept.made an error and forgot to include you in the payroll run, just go in to them and explain you need some kind of payment today, If they fob you off say you will have to contact the boss, I'm sure they wont want their error brought to anyone else's attention.

pilly

Sorry OP, I do payroll myself so might be able to help. What date is everyone else paid on?

TheBody

HenryHill wrote: »

Ive borrowed money from friends and family up till now, there is a point when you can't borrow anymore

You will have to borrow more if you quit your job!

L.Jenkins

What's painful about being paid monthly is, having to work a month in hand, even if you start before the monthly cut-off/pay day.

seamus

HenryHill wrote: »

An admin issue caused non payment last week, so another admin issue this week ? Fairly ridiculous for a large company. I'll be asking for a sub that's for sure.

HenryHill wrote: »

But I was told I would be paid , you don't tell someone they are getting paid and then don't pay them

You were told "this week" though, you weren't given a firm date or a promise.

Look, very common for there to be annoying issues setting up payroll. Someone doesn't get the paperwork on time, doesn't put in the right info, etc etc.

Especially where you're looking to be paid outside of the normal cycle, companies will often need someone else to sign these payments off, and if people are busy it can fall through the cracks.

Go in all guns blazing this morning and you won't be long getting your marching orders.

Assume that there's nothing malicious or personal happening - because there's probably not. Speak to the person you spoke to on Monday and ask if they have any update for you. If they can't tell you when you'll be paid (as in the exact day), then explain that you have rent you need to pay with that cash and ask for a sub.

TheChizler

Deleted User wrote: »

Payments do take time to filter through the banking system - it might be there in a couple of hours.

This. With a lot of banks payments made the night before won't get to your account with a different bank until 12.

Edit: Kind of off topic but have you registered your tax credits with the company through Revenue? Just in case the next thread is asking why half your wages went missing through tax...

pilly

Absolutely agree with others in saying do NOT go postal over this! You've only started so if you start threatening unions and NERA you'll soon be gone. Speak directly to whomever is in the payroll department and tell them that you don't have any money at the moment. They will more than likely help you out.

ellobee

pilly wrote: »

Sorry OP, I do payroll myself so might be able to help. What date is everyone else paid on?

How can you help?? unless you give him a loan, its not a technical payroll question, op already said they get paid every 4 weeks and everyone except the op was paid last friday and op cant wait another 3 weeks to get paid,

whomitconcerns

dartboardio wrote: »

Go in and hunt your money down. Don't leave without your money, you don't need to be horrible about it, its your money, just say you have bills to pay you need it today that you can't wait any longer. If they try bull**** you by saying Monday Monday. Say no I'll take cash right now. Hate employers like this have had my share

Guaranteed way to lose your job instantly if you go with this idea.

Panrich

I'm not sure that the company in this case are doing much to help their new employee. It is a common practice for companies to pay people on a monthly basis as it makes for easier administration and has the added bonus that it leaves the company with access to the money due to employees for longer. In the past, most people were paid weekly or fortnightly and working time in hand was not that big a deal. If the OP doesn't get paid in this cycle then he will by my calculation have worked 2 full months and 20 hours before getting any payment. This is totally unreasonable.

irelandrover

Panrich wrote: »

I'm not sure that the company in this case are doing much to help their new employee. It is a common practice for companies to pay people on a monthly basis as it makes for easier administration and has the added bonus that it leaves the company with access to the money due to employees for longer. In the past, most people were paid weekly or fortnightly and working time in hand was not that big a deal. If the OP doesn't get paid in this cycle then he will by my calculation have worked 2 full months and 20 hours before getting any payment. This is totally unreasonable.

THats not the case is it. He only started work on the 8th. It seems payday is the 17th. therefore next payday is the 17th next month. So he will get paid then for a month and 3 days.

pilly

ellobee wrote: »

How can you help?? unless you give him a loan, its not a technical payroll question, op already said they get paid every 4 weeks and everyone except the op was paid last friday and op cant wait another 3 weeks to get paid,

There's absolutely no need to be rude to me. I'm only trying to help. But sure you go off on your little rant, that helps OP.

Donal55

Any update OP.

southstar

ellobee wrote: »

How can you help?? unless you give him a loan, its not a technical payroll question, op already said they get paid every 4 weeks and everyone except the op was paid last friday and op cant wait another 3 weeks to get paid,

stop being an ass..the poster has some knowledge of payroll and is trying to help...jeez

Clazbeag

I work in general finance and have worked in mixed sized companies in the past. Usually if all hours or days are signed off by the relevant people or managers and a person pleads that they are financially stuck finance/payroll have no problem paying off cycle. Maybe people will say we were too nice but we worked with these people and would not have wanted to see people stuck or short for mortgages/rent/food etc. I would have had extra work because of this (approving payments online for paying people weekly as their shifts were not lodged by their managers etc) but never had an issue with this as you put yourself in their shoes.

HenryHill

Donal55 wrote: »

Any update OP.

Sorry I couldn't get back to you guys earlier and thank to all for your advice, my boss rang me at 9.15 this morning and said he received a 'note from the finance department that my wages left their account this morning and should be in mine by this evening'

I gave him the benefit of the doubt but a of now 18.30 still no money.

Stheno

HenryHill wrote: »

Sorry I couldn't get back to you guys earlier and thank to all for your advice, my boss rang me at 9.15 this morning and said he received a 'note from the finance department that my wages left their account this morning and should be in mine by this evening'

I gave him the benefit of the doubt but a of now 18.30 still no money.

It's processed overnight

HenryHill

pilly wrote: »

Sorry OP, I do payroll myself so might be able to help. What date is everyone else paid on?

They were paid last Friday and will be paid again on the 17th of March

TheAnalyst_

Chill out. You're doing yourself no favours.

Delacent

HenryHill wrote: »

Sorry I couldn't get back to you guys earlier and thank to all for your advice, my boss rang me at 9.15 this morning and said he received a 'note from the finance department that my wages left their account this morning and should be in mine by this evening'

I gave him the benefit of the doubt but a of now 18.30 still no money.

Unless its a tiny company, there's no reason to doubt it.

If your bank is same as theirs, its instant.

If their's is AIB/ ulster / boi and your's is one of them too, expect it 8pm - 10pm

If you are ptsb or kbc, expect it tomorrow.

HenryHill

Delacent wrote: »

Unless its a tiny company, there's no reason to doubt it.

If your bank is same as theirs, its instant.

If their's is AIB/ ulster / boi and your's is one of them too, expect it 8pm - 10pm

If you are ptsb or kbc, expect it tomorrow.

I'm KBC, and I didn't doubt the other two occasions they told me I'd be paid so forgive me for not being optimistic

Delacent

HenryHill wrote: »

I'm KBC, and I didn't doubt the other two occasions they told me I'd be paid so forgive me for not being optimistic

Unfortunately KBC I think work via the ulster bank system, so it won't be tonight.

Hopefully its tomorrow. It could possibly be Monday.

Its the only drawback of kbc as they don't share the technology of the big three.

Think of it like the difference of taking aer lingus direct to new York or Icelandic air via Reykjavik to new York. You still get there, but a few hours later.

You come across as decent - hold fire on anything rash.

davo10

HenryHill wrote: »

They were paid last Friday and will be paid again on the 17th of March

So payroll is fortnightly not monthly? That piece of information would have been a lot better had it been in your opening post.

HenryHill

Delacent wrote: »

Unfortunately KBC I think work via the ulster bank system, so it won't be tonight.

Hopefully its tomorrow. It could possibly be Monday.

Its the only drawback of kbc as they don't share the technology of the big three.

Think of it like the difference of taking aer lingus direct to new York or Icelandic air via Reykjavik to new York. You still get there, but a few hours later.

You come across as decent - hold fire on anything rash.

Thanks man, ah I'm not gonna lose the head or anything , was just a bit pissed off this morning when I woke up and checked my account. I'm ok now ha

TheChizler

If you didn't get it instantly they probably have a different bank to you and it will be next working day unfortunately.

alroley

I used to work for a very small company and the pay days varied each week - it was a whenever it got done kind of thing. I was with a different bank to the company so I often ended up getting my wages the next week if it was left too late, but my co-workers would get theirs instantly.

HenryHill

TheChizler wrote: »

If you didn't get it instantly they probably have a different bank to you and it will be next working day unfortunately.

I got my other half to transfer money from her AIB to my KBC account when I was at the euros last year, I had the money within a couple of hours.

I'll just have to wait and see.