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Fear is the key

  • 19-02-2017 4:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭


    I want to run a marathon before I’m 50 :eek:

    I have a few years yet, but, just in case, I’m starting now.

    I also have very clear ideas on a time I'd like to do it in - but not being a runner, only time will tell what's even vaguely achievable.

    This log is all about accountability. The fear of not hitting my goal time time may just drive me on.

    My target is to run a half marathon this year and DCM next year. I have a huge amount of work and running to do if I have any hope of achieving either of those. 21k this year is a lot for me, when the most I’ve probably ever done is 10.

    I have had lower back problems (slipped disc, sciatica) in the past. That said I’m now strong and reasonably fit. I lift weights three times a week. Gym work will continue for the foreseeable, but I guess will naturally have to taper off as the miles start to build.

    My non-plan right now is to run Sunday (and Thursday, work permitting), just slowly building up the miles and hope that speed will come. I am susceptible to getting bogged down in comparing time/numbers, so I’m trying to just enjoy getting out and running off effort. I will probably do a park run in a few weeks and then get help on a real plan.

    Week 13-19 Feb
    Monday – Leg day
    Wednesday – Push day
    Saturday – Pull day
    Sunday – 7k, Marlay Park.
    It was very busy, nearly got spliced by a wayward car door opening in the car park. Got one or two few funny looks and once I got home I realised I’d worked a bit too hard on my colour scheme - my face was the same colour as my top, this :o :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Feb 20-23
    Tired this week. Not too unusual, work is very busy, I often don’t sleep well. Like most people.

    I arrived at gym for leg day on Monday to hear it’s de-load week. First time I was genuinely relieved to hear those words.

    Ahead of my initial non-schedule, I met with Coachy-to-be, who painted a positive, but daunting picture of what’s ahead for me.

    Plan:
      Run, lots. Don’t overthink. Get comfortable running 30k a week by June. Gym work can continue for now, but will have to taper off (except core work).
    • Parkrun in a month, check my time and then assess.
    • Emphasis now is time on my feet, endurance work - which is more or less the complete opposite to what I’ve been doing for the last 4 years, which has been more similar in effort to training for a 100k sprint. This wasn’t something I’d considered, but when he started to explain all about muscle fibres and stuff, I nodded sagely - it seemed like the appropriate thing to do :)
    • Otherwise, all as usual, sleep more if I can and eat well. Get my head around eating more carbs. as the miles climb – probably not from chocolate, though.
    So far this week:

    Mon: Leg day, 65% effort, body felt as bad on Tuesday as if it had been 100% effort

    Wed: Somewhat guilty bath and early to bed instead of the gym, felt exhausted

    Thur: Run, plan was 5k, legs felt heavy from the start, my lower back ached, at about 3k I had to slow to a walk for about 100m, only managed 3.6k before giving up. So flippin’ angry at myself. Wondering if my plan to run 30k by June is a pipedream, let alone 21k in September, because maybe I’m just weak-willed, lazy.

    On the drive home my throat felt a bit sore.

    Beginning of a lightbulb moment – adding a few dizzy spells and headaches in last few days, and being exhausted despite sleeping, and being more starving than usual … headcold/cough coming on :(

    Training weights, I’m always told to listen to my body, so I feel relieved. I should have picked up on the symptoms sooner. I think the rule is ‘Feed a cold, starve a fever’.

    I plan to eat, loads :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Hey Juke,

    So... what are you doing to get to run a marathon? You've mentioned having a coach before, are you working to a plan to eventually complete a marathon? I'd drop the gym work sooner than later, and run more, if completing a marathon is the real goal. Slowly building miles is a good plan alright, but you gotta get it done.

    Is there a chance you're running too fast? Most of your running should be very comfortable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Singer wrote: »
    Hey Juke,

    So... what are you doing to get to run a marathon? You've mentioned having a coach before, are you working to a plan to eventually complete a marathon? I'd drop the gym work sooner than later, and run more, if completing a marathon is the real goal. Slowly building miles is a good plan alright, but you gotta get it done.

    Thanks for reading. I need to be challenged on my very loose plan.

    You are of course right, I need to cut back the gym. I know that (but am resisting, as it's early days). Maybe I want to do too much - I have a certain double bodyweight squat aspiration that I think is very close, and I'm not giving that up just yet.

    I don't have a history of running, maybe 15k a week for 3-4 months last summer. Otherwise very sporadic. I need to build a base. I hope to grow to love it. I look forward to the gym, it's my de-stresser. I don't look forward to running in the same way - yet. But I hope to. Until I grow to love it more, I would see cutting back on the gym as a punishment, somehow.

    I run alone. I know a running veteran I can plague with questions, and I will most likely have him structure my plan as time goes on. I have 7 months to the half - and will have a proper 12 week structure before it.

    My thinking is to slowly build the miles, and cut back in the gym from May/June. I (and my gym coach) will monitor my energy levels. If it's not working I'll re-think.

    Yesterday's disaster and low energy levels all week are explained by my pounding headache, sneezing and blocked sinuses this morning.
    Singer wrote: »
    Is there a chance you're running too fast? Most of your running should be very comfortable.
    Of course :D

    I followed the DCM novices threads for 2015 and 2016. They helped plan this seed. I've recently started reading a few logs here too. I noticed running slower can be a real challenge for some - and at the moment that's me too.

    Something huge to work on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Disappointing week so far, but felt pretty miserable and exhausted earlier in the week.

    Fri 24- Sun Rest, Sneezing, coughing and spluttering, thumping headache

    Mon 27 Gym, New training cycle; Leg day – re-introduction of squats – ALL the DOMS for days :(

    Wed 1 Gym, Push day, just as well, legs in a heap

    Thur 2 5.1k gentle (?) run – legs still a bit tender. Mindful of running too fast, I consciously tried to slow down, especially on the inclines. It felt weird. At the moment I have 2 speeds, running alone and running in a race. Much work to be done.

    Sometimes I wonder if I should be let out at all, though. I’d just got to the park and it started raining. I decided to throw on a rain jacket – one with removable arms that zip on. Putting it on I got distracted by a phone call. I took the call, and hung up quickly enough, got moving, after about 50m realise I was missing a sleeve. I start to backtrack to look for it and was almost back at the car when I realise it was still attached, barely and flapping against my back. What did I think was flapping against my back until then :confused::D

    Also - a bit disconcerted about how prolific you A/R posters are in this forum. Serious amount of logs regularly updated, hours of reading!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Head cold well and truly gone, feeling much more positive.

    Fri 3 Rest, legs a bit tired
    Sat 4 Gym, Pull day, freezing cold Leinster game that evening, no beer/hot toddies as running in the morning.

    Sun 5, 9.1k (on my garmin, 9.8 per mapmyrun), ran the first 5.5k with a friend, which was nice for a change. Chatted all the way, and as she hadn’t run in a long while, she made me slow right down. Felt pretty good.

    Aim this week is 14k – so well on target.
    Second aim, conscript my friend to join me for the half marathon. Have a lot of work to do ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon: Gym, Leg day. Despite my constant moaning over last week’s DOM’s I didn’t manage to get sacked by my gym coach. I think it came close though.

    Tue: Rest

    Wed: Gym, Push day

    Thu: I had packed every conceivable accessory I might need so I could change at work and run on my route home. Everything – extra layers, HR strap, running ID, hat, gloves, hair band, phone/keys pouch.

    Everything, that is, except socks :mad: Let me tell you, running is pop-socks after a day in heels, it’s not something for the top of the to-do-list :pac: My soles were burning by the end of 3k, and now, 1.5 hours later, are still burning. I’m rolling them on a hard ball to try get some relief.

    Had chosen to run St. Enda’s Park, 3 laps is just 4.7k. Really annoying!

    Anyway, 5.1k done, 14k for the week.

    Plan on increasing the distance by 10% ish weekly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Fri: Rest

    Sat: Gym, Pull day – not feeling the love for chin-ups these days.

    Sun: Beautiful morning, 10k, felt pretty good, ran with my friend again for the first 6k. Tried to keep it slow, but I noticed my splits picked up for the last 4k.

    A month ago, I’d had the idea of doing a parkrun next Saturday – just to see where I’m at time-wise. Now, I’m already trying to talk myself out of it. I’m never at my best in the morning, I’m not anywhere near the speed I want to be, if I run too slow (which I expect I will) I’ll only get demoralised and start doubting that I can run the half.

    Sometimes I just need a slap :(:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon: Gym, Leg day – tough going

    Wed: Gym, Push day – used to be my least favourite day. Bench press would be my weakest lift, but these days my programme includes doing bench press followed by floor press, which bizarrely I’m enjoying. Maybe that’s more linked to the fact that leg day includes Bulgarian split squats. When you are vertically challenged, these are a killer. I think they are just in my programme so my coach can laugh when I fall over, again :)

    Thu: Girls night out, reasonably sensible, in bed by midnight

    Fri: Post drinks guilt got me out for a few easy k’s, wet and windy, 3.5 k

    Sat: Parkrun debut. Official time 32.51.
    I passed a JM10 just before the line. I’m not proud to have beaten him by 1 second – he was kinda skipping towards the end :o

    The good – what a fantastic event, volunteers are amazing on what was a fairly miserable morning. Well organised, so many abilities. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

    The bad – until now, I’ve not really had a real look at my times. My time is far slower that I would have hoped. Slower than my last 5k race – albeit that was 1.5 years ago. My garmin decided not to record my run (I’ve got to assume user error), which is annoying, as I would like to have looked at my splits. Ah well.

    I have a huge amount of work to do. I knew that already, but this is a bit sobering. Maybe that’s a good thing. I will be increasing my run days to three a week shortly. These weeks have only really been about getting used to running and building the miles. I guess the next months will be all about that and increasing my times (I hope).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Good luck with the goals, the hardest part of running a marathon is building a base and then getting into the right condition to do it , its all about time on you feet , getting the miles in week in week out and thats just to get through one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Good luck with the goals, the hardest part of running a marathon is building a base and then getting into the right condition to do it , its all about time on you feet , getting the miles in week in week out and thats just to get through one.

    Thanks. I know it takes hard work, resilience, dedication. More than anything, miles are what I need.

    I'm in awe of some of the mileage run by the loggers here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    juke wrote: »
    Thanks. I know it takes hard work, resilience, dedication. More than anything, miles are what I need.

    I'm in awe of some of the mileage run by the loggers here.


    Ah we're all in awe of some of the milages and paces logged here , they are a great knoweledgable bunch and will assist with advice to help on your journey, logging your progress here will be of huge benefit to you .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ene


    I will be following your log with great interest! I have the same long term goal- the marathon next year! Have a look at my log but think your more consistent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    ene wrote: »
    I will be following your log with great interest! I have the same long term goal- the marathon next year! Have a look at my log but think your more consistent!

    Excellent :D I had read your log. For some reason, I had it in my head you were targeting a full marathon this year. It will be great to see how we progress.

    For me, talking (and logging) about my goals are a huge step in keeping me honest.

    You are doing great at the parkruns!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Busy busy at work this week. I'm drained.

    Sunday: Gym, pull day. Chins again, better effort but not improving in quantity. So, to help that, he who is my all-knowing coach says I’ve got to started weighted chins ….. oh man, roll on next weekend :eek:

    Monday: Gym, legs. Tough session.

    Tuesday: Rest

    Wednesday: Gym, push day, legs still achy since Monday.

    Thursday: Dentist. I didn’t go for a run, I came home and ate chocolate.

    Friday: 6.2k. This was tough – not sure why. I picked a hilly-ish route, maybe I pushed too hard, maybe I'm a bit dehydrated (see below), might have been my runners today or I’m just tired. Pins and needles in my toes and lower back pain by the end. Happy I got out, calves are tight now, so I’ve good intentions to stretch and foam roll.

    Wedding tomorrow. I’m trying to pain my toe nails – really struggling, as my abs just under my rib cage keep cramping when I bend down :o

    Trying to decide if a wedding ‘down the country’ but less than an hour away, is a valid excuse to avoid inaugural weighted chins in the morning.

    Also, wondering if a possible hangover Sunday is a valid reason to skip my long run. I appreciate musing this on a running forum will not garner much support :rolleyes: Hopefully guilt and knowing that I’ll feel better afterwards will get me out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    The guilt didn't work :o

    Bad week running wise.

    Saturday: I didn’t manage gym in the morning, so a big fail there. Wedding, someone I met through Boards.ie. We were in the company of a few other Boardsies. Bed at 6am. They must have been the bad influence, they must have! It was fantastic, but…

    Sunday: Oh God :eek:

    Monday: Gym, merciless leg day.

    Tuesday – work late.

    Wednesday: Gym, push day, tough, why anyone would voluntarily do tricep work is beyond me.

    Thursday: leg tune up with sports therapist – knots in my calves/hamstrings tight – but otherwise all ok.

    Friday – work late.

    Saturday: Plan 1 – gym followed by Leinster game. Not even coffee could get me going early enough, so I wouldn’t have had time to get there and do a proper session.
    So, plan 2 – 5k.
    Actual – 7+k. Felt ok, hilly route, which certainly tests me.

    Leinster game – all good, we won :) but I don’t know if it was my (new) socks and boots combined with the short run or what, but my feet are in bits, soles are burning, arches feel like they are blistered. I could barely walk back to the car. Plan tomorrow is 10+k. I’ll see how my feet feel in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    juke wrote: »
    .... but my feet are in bits, soles are burning, arches feel like they are blistered. I could barely walk back to the car. Plan tomorrow is 10+k. I’ll see how my feet feel in the morning.

    I have big deep blisters just where the front of my heel meet the outside arch. The same spot on both feet :( It's hard to walk and my feet feel swollen. So I spent today putting aloe vera/arnica etc on them.

    Really not sure what's caused them, but the new soft cosy socks are in the bin. Possibly the hilly short run didn't help either. I don't think my running socks/runners are an issue.

    I will adjust training this week depending on how they feel and what gym-coachy will allow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon: Feet still a bit tender, Gym – upper body, push.

    Tue: Feet feel better and I invested in some bodyglide. Feeling brave, went for a run, 5.5k. Ran the first 1k on grass – struggled, legs feel heavy. Felt more in the zone once I went back onto the path.

    Note to self, perhaps a little less looking at where my feet are landing when I run off the path and little more looking out for low hanging tree branches. Even for a miniature person, some branches can be right at eye level :o
    Left hip very achy post run.

    Wed: Gym, legs. Hip still achey, but got through it all ok, without even having to go backwards down the stairs leaving the gym.

    Thu: Rest

    Fri: 7.5k. Like the last Friday evening I ran, I found this tough, especially on my lower back – it was all a bit start, stop, stretch, start again. I know I pushed too hard on k2 (6.09min), which was daft given my near 33min 5k. I struggled with silly things, like my toes were way too hot, my phone belt felt too heavy. Really, I’m just being a bit of a lightweight and need to htfu.

    Roundup: That makes 20k for the week, with 3 runs – which was slightly above the plan, and all carefully structured around gym work.

    Observations:

    Holy crap, the laundry :eek:
    And the hair washing :eek:
    And my feet do not like fancy padded or double layered running socks. Nope, Pennies cheap thin running socks with their motivational ‘Run Like’…‘The Wind’ on the inside is their sock of choice :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sat 8: Gym – upper body, Pull.
    Weighted chins finally make their entrance to my life :rolleyes: Oh man, it did not go to plan, Gym-coachy’s plan, that is. I’ll break the bad news to him on Monday. That said I managed 4 singles, barely, with +5K. Did a few unweighted after – they felt so easy.

    Left hip very stiff, loads of foam-rolling. Lovely afternoon nap :o

    Sun 9: Run 9k, walk 1k. Friend joined me for the 2nd half, but I slowed to a walk while I waited for her. Pleasant morning.

    Not 100% sure who suggested this in last year's novices thread (think Firedance), but I tried lying on my back with my legs up against a tree trunk. I know I hadn't done a particularly long run, but it was epic :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 10 – Gym, Mini test – squat & bench

    Tue 11 – plan was 5k odd, reality, I had as usual packed my trusty bag, so I could change at work, with everything possible packed. Even socks were there. But no sports bra. And I’m not masochist enough to run even 5k without one. So, I grumpily used the time to do a supermarket ‘run’ instead and discovered Lidl seem to have stopped selling my favourite chocolate AND my second favourite chocolate. Really, not a good day.

    Wed 12 - Gym, everything horrible - weighted chin-ups, Bulgarian split squats, triceps .... :(

    Thu 13 – wrecked from work, home and veg’ed.

    Good Fri 14 - 10k, first time running this distance alone. Felt pretty good in all, took it slow and steady. Had the park pretty much to myself, which surprised me for 6-7 in the evening. Left hip very sore again since. I’ll keep doing the stretches I was given, hopefully it is not going to be a regular issue.

    20k for the week, again, which was the plan. Didn’t get 3 runs in though. Don’t know if that’s bad.

    Thinking about doing the Terenure 5M in a month – just to get some more race experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    Weighted chin ups - you must be fairly strong to do them, fair play I wouldn't even embarrass myself by attempting them in the gym.

    You should go for the Terenure 5 mile. You're doing 10 km in training now so you're fit enough for it. Why not add another mile or two to your 10 km training in the coming weeks so you're really comfortable endurance wise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    S.L.F. wrote: »
    Weighted chin ups - you must be fairly strong to do them, fair play I wouldn't even embarrass myself by attempting them in the gym.

    You should go for the Terenure 5 mile. You're doing 10 km in training now so you're fit enough for it. Why not add another mile or two to your 10 km training in the coming weeks so you're really comfortable endurance wise.

    I'm fairly strong for my size, but I struggle to make upper body gains - my bench is by far my worst lift, I'm struggling to get to bodyweight. And none of this strength helps with speed either :rolleyes:

    Plan is to sneak the miles up by the end of the month, but I'll be sticking to 3 running days I think.

    Today: Gym, new programme and deadlifts are back. That makes me happy, enough that I can ignore the bruised shins and calloused hands :)

    Tough session, lots of volume, mainly legs. Left hip a bit stiff since yesterday, loads of stretching/foam-rolling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sun 16 – 9.5k run. Nearly talked myself out of this in the first place – due my family and his for dinner – heaps and heaps to do. But I went out anyway. After I did the first 5.5k and was passing my car in the car-park, I nearly stopped too. That alone tells me how far I’ve come in just a few weeks.

    Good few older gentlemen (aged 65+ I’d say – cos, you know, I’m of the ‘old’ not ‘older’ variety) out for slow jogs. All faster than me :pac: It was a bit windy/rainy. The last 500m was into a headwind, I so welcomed the cool breeze/wet.

    Typing this Sunday evening after a food filled family afternoon. Post deadlift/squat/and maybe running DOMS setting is, hip isn’t too bad, legs feel heavy and stiff – but in a good way. I feel so optimistic. I’m not looking at overall km or split times times (I know that would be a disaster for me) but my heartrate for inclines is falling (was peaking 170, now 160).

    I know from powerlifting that it can seem like you are making no progress on increasing weight at all, when suddenly… I just feel, you know, maybe I can do this and not disgrace myself.

    I am still very slow, but time on my feet will surely help with that. Instead of dreading the next run, I am wondering what would happen if I tried gym followed by a run on the SAME day.

    Feck, is it a disease? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 17 - Gym, Push day.

    Tue 18 - Run, 6k. Went ok.

    New runners arrived. Asics GT3000 4 - I got a pair in Base2Race last year and love how they feel, pricey though at, I think, E140. Saw them on Amazon for E60 although they are a ghastly neon pink/green/black (not that the existing salmon pink & mint green is much better :rolleyes:).

    The laces are too short to do the runner's loop thingy. I can't quite understand why the laces on what are, in effect, identical shoes, are different lengths. And at 5.5k, there was the beginning of a blister on my left heel :mad:

    Wed 19 - Gym, legs, box-squats, weighted step-ups, back extensions, calf stretches.

    Thu 20 - Rest, tired today, calves in particular showing beginning signs of DOMS.

    Fri 21 - Run, 7k. Went a lot better than expected.

    Training in the gym, my mind never is in tune with my body, and I can never gauge my energy levels in advance - often my best day is when my head says I'm most tired/weak and vice versa. I was tired, calves felt tight, convinced by body wasn't up to even 3-4k, but I set out with that minimum target in mind.

    Happily that disconnect between my body and my mind remains constant :pac: Bit of a left hip niggle after 5k, but only usual stiffness since.

    22.5k for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sat 22 - Gym. Push: bench, incline dumbbell press, close grip bench, tricep push down. Tired today, not the best session in the world.

    Sun 23 - Run, 12k, near as dammit. Slow, I was tired, 2 bad night's sleep haven't helped. It's probably the most I have ever run. I really felt it on my feet in the end. Watched a bit of London marathon. What am I doing :o

    Mon 24 - Gym, Pull: deadlifts, one-arm row, close-grip lat. pull downs, hammer curls.

    Whilst my power-lifting is secondary to the goal of doing a marathon right now, I still love it. I have decided to try target a competition in July. Both coaches have said yes - which amazed me. Timing isn't great, but it could be worse.

    I'll really have to monitor my energy levels, and make time for proper recovery after heavy sessions. I'll have to dial back running in the 1-2 weeks before the comp. and I'll be useless for a week after. But if I get the base work in now, I'll have 8 weeks to concentrate just on the half after the comp.

    There is a greater risk of injury, of course.

    My OH is not at all impressed.

    And I might have to actually take a good look at the weighing scales and lose the 3-4k I have put on since my last comp :eek::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Tue 25 - Run, 5.3 k, a bit of a hard slog but job done.

    Wed 26 - Gym, Legs, box-squats, weighted back extension, leg extension, calf stretches.

    Thu 27 - Wimped out. Got home, tired, knew a run would make me feel better, but the house was empty - a rarest of occurrences, so I chilled instead. Feel only mildly guilty.

    That meant 17.3k for the week.

    Fri 28 - Leinster rugby game @ RDS, entertaining, first time I've been to a game where play is stopped because the power went.

    Sat 29 - Gym, Bench, repeat of last week, it just went a bit better.

    Sun 30 - Run, just shy of 11k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 1 - Gym, pull: deadlifts, one arm row, close grip lat. pull down, bicep curls.

    Tue 2 - Hair day, vain attempt to hide the signs of aging.

    Wed 3 - Gym, legs: box squats, step-ups, weird negative glute raise thingy's that pull like bejaysus on the hamstrings, calf stretches (in the leg press).

    Thu 4 - Run, 7k, felt pretty good. Got out before the expected calf DOMS from yesterday - so tomorrow could be interesting :rolleyes:

    I've been thinking about doing the Terenure 5 mile. I had a good look at my splits today (which are all over the place, more to me going faster on the mild descents, slower on the inclines). I'm still so very slow, but I ran 1.5 minutes faster than the same route 2 weeks ago, so that's an improvement. My average split was 7.08 per k and, apart from the last k which is all uphill, I felt grand.

    So, I'm thinking, if I fall in behind the 55 min. pacer, I might just be able to keep up. Maybe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »
    Mon 1 - Gym, pull: deadlifts, one arm row, close grip lat. pull down, bicep curls.

    Tue 2 - Hair day, vain attempt to hide the signs of aging.

    Wed 3 - Gym, legs: box squats, step-ups, weird negative glute raise thingy's that pull like bejaysus on the hamstrings, calf stretches (in the leg press).

    Thu 4 - Run, 7k, felt pretty good. Got out before the expected calf DOMS from yesterday - so tomorrow could be interesting :rolleyes:

    I've been thinking about doing the Terenure 5 mile. I had a good look at my splits today (which are all over the place, more to me going faster on the mild descents, slower on the inclines). I'm still so very slow, but I ran 1.5 minutes faster than the same route 2 weeks ago, so that's an improvement. My average split was 7.08 per k and, apart from the last k which is all uphill, I felt grand.

    So, I'm thinking, if I fall in behind the 55 min. pacer, I might just be able to keep up. Maybe?

    Do the Terenure 5 miler, all the cool kids are doing it.
    Its only 20 quid but be prepared for a bit of boredom, they do two loops which although are not identical, they are pretty close.
    I imagine being with the pacer group might take that element out of it
    since there'll be a bit of chat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »




    Whilst my power-lifting is secondary to the goal of doing a marathon right now, I still love it. I have decided to try target a competition in July. Both coaches have said yes - which amazed me. Timing isn't great, but it could be worse.

    I'll really have to monitor my energy levels, and make time for proper recovery after heavy sessions. I'll have to dial back running in the 1-2 weeks before the comp. and I'll be useless for a week after. But if I get the base work in now, I'll have 8 weeks to concentrate just on the half after the comp.

    There is a greater risk of injury, of course.

    My OH is not at all impressed.

    And I might have to actually take a good look at the weighing scales and lose the 3-4k I have put on since my last comp :eek::pac:

    Wheres the competition Limerick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    S.L.F. wrote: »
    Do the Terenure 5 miler, all the cool kids are doing it.
    Its only 20 quid but be prepared for a bit of boredom, they do two loops which although are not identical, they are pretty close.
    I imagine being with the pacer group might take that element out of it
    since there'll be a bit of chat.

    :D The cool kids will be miles ahead of me! I entered a good while ago...just second guessing myself really. As for chat - it won't be from me, my energy will be spent on breathing.

    Comp. is in Drogheda (AIPO). Haven't lifted with them before.

    Fri 5 - 4.2k. Found it very warm. Picked a hilly route, had to stop once to give someone directions - she really couldn't have chosen anyone worse, I struggle with the difference between left and right :o.

    2 insect bites on my face :mad:

    22+k for the week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sat 6 - Gym, push, same as last week, no better than last week. Discovered how wise it is to bench in the squat rack (for the safety bars), even if it annoys others :D.

    Sun 7 - 12.3k. Beautiful day, just stunning. Body is a bit stiff this evening. I'm putting it down to the tribulations of microwave shopping. Who knew there would be so much fecking choice :eek: Also, even worse, who knew I'd have so many reasons to veto the cheapest ones.

    Think I'll start counting weekly insect bites, as well as k's. 1 bite on my shoulder today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »
    Sat 6 - Gym, push, same as last week, no better than last week. Discovered how wise it is to bench in the squat rack (for the safety bars), even if it annoys others :D.

    Sun 7 - 12.3k. Beautiful day, just stunning. Body is a bit stiff this

    I'd rather the noise from the squat rack than listening to some eejit clattering the barbells off the ground.

    p.s not saying you do :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    juke wrote: »
    Not 100% sure who suggested this in last year's novices thread (think Firedance), but I tried lying on my back with my legs up against a tree trunk. I know I hadn't done a particularly long run, but it was epic :)

    She's full of sense that firedance wan :D, she also prefers the cheap penneys socks!! (those thick one's are dreadful) just catching up on your log juke, I used to lift and you're making me slightly envious - might go back to it!

    Best of luck in Terenure if you're doing it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    She's full of sense that firedance wan :D, she also prefers the cheap penneys socks!! (those thick one's are dreadful) just catching up on your log juke, I used to lift and you're making me slightly envious - might go back to it!

    Best of luck in Terenure if you're doing it!

    Do - done right, running and lifting are bound to compliment each other. And thanks - she's a mine of information!

    This week:

    Mon 8 - Gym, deadlift day :)

    Tue 9 - Rest

    Wed 10 - Gym, squat day, including those horrendous negative hamstring curls (I'm told they are Nordic Curls), left knee very uncomfortable after, nerve pain, I think

    Thu 11 - leg tune up with sports therapist - whilst my legs felt fine going in, he found any number of knots that hurt like hell :eek:. Knee was stiff going in, but nothing sinister found. It's all in my head, I reckon.

    Fri 12 - 7.4K run. Wasn't the easiest, which showed in the time. This is why I shouldn't be looking at times and remember the A goal for this year - September half, not mid-week jogs!

    19.5 odd for the week. A bit below target, but not too bad. No new bites.

    Collected my Terenure 5 race kit. I may be committed :p. Hoping for cool weather, even some light rain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sat 13 - Gym, bench day. It went better than the last 2 weeks, basically because I'd been interpreting the plan wrong.

    Sun 14 - Terenure 5 mile 53.09.
    I'm consistent, I guess, in my slowness. It was warm, so much for the cool air and rain I wanted. I enjoyed it though. I started about 10 yards behind the 55 min pacers and took it easy. At about 4.5k, the back 55 pacer fell behind me and I pushed on a bit from there, passing the front 55 pacer with about a kilometer to go. The positive I take is that only one person passed me from about 3k. I don't think I could have finished any stronger.

    6:38.9, 6:48.6, 7:03.3, 6:44.5, 6:30.3, 6:24.2, 6:22.1, 0:17.7

    This was longest race ever. Hopefully I'll be saying that a few times over the next year!

    My pace is very slow though, but I'll keep training and keep building the miles and hopefully it will all pay off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    Well done Juke, you can build on that now


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Well done, sounds like a very well paced race for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 15 - Gym, Deadlifts

    Tue 16 - Run, 8k. Not the most pleasant, warm, lower back felt uncomfortable.

    Wed 17 - Gym, squat. Tough going. Legs are tired.

    Thu 18 - rest, but feel pretty rubbish.

    Fri 19 - Not feeling great, leave work early. RDS, Leinster game - oh, they were abysmal, which didn't help how I felt. Home, bed early.

    Sat 20 - Not well, think I've picked up a stomach bug. I'm wrecked. Bed for most of the day.

    Sun 21 - Still feel pretty rubbish, headache which started Thursday still lingering. May go for a run later, but meh :(

    Back tracking food on myfitnesspal. I hate it, but I'm eating all around me right now. Pretty healthy 80% of the time, but the other 20% is pure chocolate heaven rubbish. I'm well above any target lifting competition weight. Hopefully tracking will help me cop on a bit and make me lose that half stone that's crept on in the last 6 months.

    Disappointed at lack of mileage this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 22 - Sick, no work, skipped the gym, 3.5k jog, just to make sure I'm still alive.

    Tue 23 - Run, 6+k, warm & sticky, midges, it felt hard, breathing felt tight. I wish I could turn off that part of my brain that shouts "it's too hot, you're going to hyper-ventilate, stop, go home". Still, I ignored it today.

    Wed 24 - Gym, first time in week. Mixed it up a bit - Box-squats, bench, leg-extension, triceps. So hot in the gym, sun streaming in the windows, no air-con.

    Thu 25, Fri 26 - wimp out because of the heat, work late Friday instead.

    Sat 27 - Gym, usual push day, takes a bit more than an hour, followed by 2 laps run around the gym block. Lashing rain.
    I solved the slow wet uncomfortable seeping into my runners by running straight through a huge puddle within the first 10 yards, which though an accident, proved inspired :p, 5.25k.

    I like running in the rain!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sun 28 - Run, 10k

    Mon 29 - Gym, deadlift day, gradually getting heavy again, first time in aaaages that I used my belt. Felt good. It doesn't lie either, the tell tale signs of an extra half stone shouted at me when I tried and failed to tighten it to the usual level.

    Tue 30 - rest, if that constitutes work, a medical, ironing, supermarket run and batch cooking a few shepherd's pies.

    Wed 31 - Gym, last day of box squats. Not going to lie, that makes me happy :)

    Thu 1 - Run, 6.5k.
    This wasn't the easiest. Lower back was niggling me, as a result I probably was going too fast, just to get it done, which probably made it worse.
    Hamstrings felt tight (but, well, it was the day after squats). I'm working on a theory that my glutes aren't firing fully, and stretching to see if it helps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »
    Sun 28 - Run, 10k

    Mon 29 - Gym, deadlift day, gradually getting heavy again, first time in aaaages that I used my belt. Felt good. It doesn't lie either, the tell tale signs of an extra half stone shouted at me when I tried and failed to tighten it to the usual level.

    Tue 30 - rest, if that constitutes work, a medical, ironing, supermarket run and batch cooking a few shepherd's pies.

    Wed 31 - Gym, last day of box squats. Not going to lie, that makes me happy :)

    Thu 1 - Run, 6.5k.
    This wasn't the easiest. Lower back was niggling me, as a result I probably was going too fast, just to get it done, which probably made it worse.
    Hamstrings felt tight (but, well, it was the day after squats). I'm working on a theory that my glutes aren't firing fully, and stretching to see if it helps.

    Great solid work Juke


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    S.L.F. wrote: »
    Great solid work Juke

    Thank you. I am wondering about combining both 'hobbies'. I always wrecked by the weekend.

    Fri 2 - Run, 5k, fast - not intentionally, I just ran us usual, but the time was at my last race pace.

    Sat 3 - Rest (unscheduled, disgraceful hangover day:o) I don't do it often, but this ended up a full on PJ day.

    Sun 4 - Jog, 10.5k. 1 bite on my face.

    During the last few weeks, I've really just gone out and run. When I'm with my run buddy, the longer slow run is slower, but when I'm on my own, I just run to feel. I have deliberately not looked at times (guilty of obsessing), that is, until this weekend. Each average speed has been getting gradually faster.

    For today's long run, I was on my own and I really tried to slow this one down. Splits were all over the place, but overall, I was at the top end of the 'slow pace'. It felt weird, but I have to believe in the plan.

    I also noticed a huge difference in Garmin distances and Mapmyrun on my phone. Mapmyrun said I ran 12.6k. That's 20% difference, I think. I use it for the audible distance/split times, but I'll probably have to actually read my garmin manual to set pace/distance etc on it for a better guide.

    Plan tomorrow - Gym in the morning (deadlifts) with coachy. Just need to work out how to explain my absent Saturday bench day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 5 - Gym, Deadlift, bench.

    Tue 6 - Run, 7k. 2 bites on my calves. This was supposed to be at a comfortable pace. I found it tough going and didn't enjoy it at all really. Don't know if it was the wind, the hilly route I chose or the post-long-weekend grumpiness or what. Still, I got it done, and, though the splits were a bit mad, they averaged bang in the middle of target.

    Wed 7 - Gym, impromptu squat test before I set into a heavy training cycle. No belt with me - coachy didn't want me to know in advance (he's familiar with my over-thinking). 95k. That's ok, as a base. My heaviest so far is 102k, but target is 110k (um, I also need to lose 5k or that target will have to go up :eek:)

    Thus 8 - legs starting to seize up after gym yesterday, especially my calves. Run plan calls for 7k today or tomorrow. I've decided on tomorrow, to give my legs a rest. I do wonder though would a run loosen them up :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Fri 9 - Run 7k. Phone app says pollen count is low - my eyes say otherwise. And my nose/head feel miserable Saturday morning. Body aches.

    Sat 10 - Gym, new Saturday program, squat (light, high volume), bench (ditto), DB floor press, single arm cable rows. Did a few squat warm up sets, and my body said no, so I left them out this week.
    Followed by Run, 5k, fast.

    30k for the week. That's the plan for the next 2 weeks, so I hope I keep up the momentum.

    Sun 11 - Run, 11.5k, slowish. Well, I felt like it was very slow, and my watch seemed to tell me it waaaay slower than last Sunday. I struggled towards the end (I live at the top of a hill). In fact, my splits averaged 15 seconds per k faster than last week :o.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »

    30k for the week. That's the plan for the next 2 weeks, so I hope I keep up the momentum.

    Good going


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 12 - Gym, heavy deadlift, heavy bench, one arm row, incline dumbbell press, hammer curls.

    Tue 13 - Run, 8k, took it easy. Did one of my usual routes - just in the opposite direction. It felt very weird. 2 bites.

    Wed 14 - Gym, all legs, squats, split squats, back extension, hamstring curls. Pain in my outer left foot, am told probably running related. Will be given stretches and see if they help.
    I'm a bit disappointed, I was hoping it was directly related to the split squats so they could be permanently removed from my program :rolleyes:

    Thu 15 - Run, 5k.

    Due a rest day tomorrow (I have to fit in the hair colour/cut urgently)

    30k for the week. Miscalculated my running days last week, only did 25k :o I'd do way better if it was an 8 day week.

    I find I am still constantly thinking up excuses to not go out for a run, trying to justify them in my head...
      my foot/hip/calf is sore, good idea to take a rest day, or
      I have to do x y z, I won't have time, etc.

    Once I'm out, I'm grand (well, I am usually after the first 10-15 minutes or so) and I usually feel pretty good afterwards (except for said sore foot/hip etc).

    The only thing keeping me accountable is my spreadsheet that run-coachy will be looking at when he gets back from holidays. I wouldn't be able to bear that disappointed look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Sat 17 - Gym, light day, squat, bench, etc, followed by 5k run. It was hot. Very hot. There was no shade.

    Sun 18 - Run, 12k, slow. Was fairly dreading this, given the weather. It was in fact cooler outside than in the house, and the park had loads of shade too. I was on my own, but got through the k's grand. 2 bites.

    Mon 19 - Gym, it was like a sauna, I was sweating just sitting there, before I started even working out. Light deadlift & bench, done.

    Tue 20 - Run, 8k.
    Last September I brought my runners on holidays and twice, I headed out for a run early morning, before 8am and before the sun was fully up. It was still mid 20's and was humid and I really struggled. I did about 6k both days, stashing water on the way. I didn't enjoy them, at all. They were draining, I felt like I was running the wrong way on an escalator, really found it difficult to breathe.

    However, instead of taking positives from actually making the effort, bothering to get off my ass, I came home and didn't run again until March this year :o I just couldn't face the feeling of exhaustion, tightness of breath etc.

    This evening, in the heat, all I could think about was how I felt on those runs. Initially, I had that same feeling of not being fully able to catch my breath. I was on a loop - so could have stopped at 4. I didn't. I didn't feel the need to stop for water, but it would have done me no harm. I felt like I was barely walking on the last k (not helped by the young club runners flying past me :)) but the splits disagree (I was consistently on easy pace). I didn't wimp out, even though I felt like it.
    Hopefully those demons I have about heat/humidity are gone and I make it out for my last run of this week, on Friday. Is it ok to hope it's cooler by Friday?

    Wed 21 - had to work late, also 28 degrees in the gym, so rest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭S.L.F.


    juke wrote: »
    Sat 17 - Gym, light day, squat, bench, etc, followed by 5k run. It was hot. Very hot. There was no shade.

    Sun 18 - Run, 12k, slow. Was fairly dreading this, given the weather. It was in fact cooler outside than in the house, and the park had loads of shade too. I was on my own, but got through the k's grand. 2 bites.

    Mon 19 - Gym, it was like a sauna, I was sweating just sitting there, before I started even working out. Light deadlift & bench, done.

    Tue 20 - Run, 8k.
    Last September I brought my runners on holidays and twice, I headed out for a run early morning, before 8am and before the sun was fully up. It was still mid 20's and was humid and I really struggled. I did about 6k both days, stashing water on the way. I didn't enjoy them, at all. They were draining, I felt like I was running the wrong way on an escalator, really found it difficult to breathe.

    However, instead of taking positives from actually making the effort, bothering to get off my ass, I came home and didn't run again until March this year :o I just couldn't face the feeling of exhaustion, tightness of breath etc.

    This evening, in the heat, all I could think about was how I felt on those runs. Initially, I had that same feeling of not being fully able to catch my breath. I was on a loop - so could have stopped at 4. I didn't. I didn't feel the need to stop for water, but it would have done me no harm. I felt like I was barely walking on the last k (not helped by the young club runners flying past me :)) but the splits disagree (I was consistently on easy pace). I didn't wimp out, even though I felt like it.
    Hopefully those demons I have about heat/humidity are gone and I make it out for my last run of this week, on Friday. Is it ok to hope it's cooler by Friday?

    Wed 21 - had to work late, also 28 degrees in the gym, so rest.

    Working hard there Juke, good stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Plan called for a week off from running before I start into a 12 week HM plan.

    Sat 24 - Gym, Squat/Bench - volume, floor press, one arm cable row.
    Mon 26 - Gym, Deadlift/Bench - heavy, incline dumbbell press, one arm row, bicep curls.
    Wed 28 - Gym, Leg day, heavy squats, split squats, back extensions, calf stretch.

    HM plan week 1:

    Sat 1 - Work 'summer outing' last night. Feeling a bit delicate. Gym, squat & bench (light, high volume), DB floor press, single arm cable rows. Followed that with 5k run – easy.

    Sun 2 - Run, 10.4k. Felt like I was going very slow, but splits say easy. Feet a little tired/hot towards the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Mon 3 - Gym, Gym, Deadlift/Bench - heavy, incline dumbbell press, one arm row, hammer curls

    Tue 4 - Rest. Uncomfortable niggle in my right knee since the gym last night. Decide to rest, just in case.

    Wed 5 - Gym, Leg day, heavy squats, split squats, back extensions, calf stretch.

    Thu 6 - hot - failed to convince myself to go for a run. Not very happy with myself.

    Fri 7 - Run, 7k easy

    Had a sit down with run-coachy today. His optimism is daunting. Unless, for the half, he puts on 5 kilos, dons a blonde curly wig and my race no., my result won't be anywhere near expectations :eek: :D

    23.5k for the week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Week 2

    Sat 8 - Accidentally put smoked paprika in my porridge (in place of cinnamon). It tasted a bit odd (but not as horrific as the almost frozen pea incident :eek:). I wasn’t right for the day.
    Gym, squat & bench (light, high volume), DB floor press, single arm cable rows. Followed that with 5k run, easy.

    Sun 9 – Run, 12k.

    While I start work between 7.30-8.00 most mornings, I usually can’t face training before 10.00 odd. My body is just sluggish. Gym-coachy insists I eat before weight training (not without reason, may or may not be related to a fainting incident :o), so eating before any training is so ingrained, the idea of going for run on an empty stomach just isn’t happening. Eating early is a struggle too. Aim was to get up and out early. Up about 8, struggled to get out by 9.45! I’m going to have to work on that for race days.

    Mon 10 – Gym, Gym, Deadlift/Bench – heavy, incline dumbbell press, one arm row, weights are building, so a long session, took over an hour, not counting warm up/down.

    Tue 11 – Run, 7k.

    Wed 12 – Gym, Leg day, heavy squats, paused squats, good mornings, calf stretch. Used my belt for the squats for the first time a long while, felt strong.

    Thu 13 – Run, 7k easy. Decided best to get a run in before the paused squat doms set in for real. Legs are a bit wrecked now.

    Fri 14 – tomorrow is my weekly rest day. Looking forward :)

    31k for the week.


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