Identifying sites for new border posts on the NI border

Nomis21

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-38993912


Isn't this exercise just 'Tempting Fate'?

There are 260 crossing points. How many of those will be left open?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Same spots as previously. Simples.

Mint Sauce

Time to reapply for that Duel Citizenship me thinks.

Although I'd say if one back road was barricaded again, we would be half way back to the bad oul days. Let's hope who ever replaces Enda has a plan.

Richard Hillman

Such spinelessness and there hasn't even been an indication of a border being enforced.

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

SEPT 23 1989

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Such spinelessness and there hasn't even been indication of the a border being enforced.

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

Ihre papiere Bitte

Danke

Good luck

Thank you

Halt Halt!

markpb

Richard Hillman wrote:

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

Posts like this make me wish I knew how to make the eye rolling smiley.

Nomis21

:rolleyes:

markpb wrote: »

Posts like this make me wish I knew how to make the eye rolling smiley.

punisher5112

It would be like the scene out of father ted where the priest had the guns hidden.

bonzodog2

markpb wrote: »

Posts like this make me wish I knew how to make the eye rolling smiley.

: rolleyes : :rolleyes: (no spaces)

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Such spinelessness and there hasn't even been indication of the a border being enforced.

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh get real. That's senseless bluster. We will be subject to the treaties we have signed in Europe.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

GhostInTheRuins

Karlie Nutty Polyester wrote: »

Same spots as previously. Simples.

You must be clueless if you think it's simple, unless you want to go back to the days of hundreds of roads blocked with giant cement blocks and metal spikes, and destroyed bridges.

Otherwise yeah it's dead simple.

The_Valeyard

Grand, we will make border posts and just have a sign on the door 'out for lunch'

Leave it like that, carry on as normal.

My name is URL

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Such spinelessness and there hasn't even been indication of the a border being enforced.

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

Feck off with your ****e

You supported Brexit in a load of threads on here despite being told that this would be an outcome of it. People like you rubbished it as scare-mongering

Now you're ready to go to war over such idiocy? Jog the fcuk on

corner of hells

bonzodog2 wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

Posts like this make me wish I knew how to make the eye rolling smiley.

: rolleyes : :rolleyes: (no spaces)

:rolleyes:

corner of hells

corner of hells wrote: »

bonzodog2 wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

Posts like this make me wish I knew how to make the eye rolling smiley.

: rolleyes : :rolleyes: (no spaces)

:rolleyes:

Got it :rolleyes:

_Brian

In fairness moan and bitch all ye want but a prudent government will explore all options and have plans in place for many eventualities.
The current government are a shambles but it makes sense to scope these things out.

Personally I can't see how there could be no controls on a border crossing where you will be exiting to a non eu state.

punisher5112

Hopefully we will have a proper government in place....... Ha ha ha some how doubt it but oh well.

Berserker

punisher5112 wrote: »

Hopefully we will have a proper government in place....... Ha ha ha some how doubt it but oh well.

NI will be same setup as before and god only knows what we'll have in the RoI. I would like to see a strong border, with a significant level of investment from both governments, in terms of security. I'm fairly confident that Europe are going to push for a proper border.

Richard Hillman

My name is URL wrote: »

Feck off with your ****e

You supported Brexit in a load of threads on here despite being told that this would be an outcome of it. People like you rubbished it as scare-mongering

Now you're ready to go to war over such idiocy? Jog the fcuk on

You have very little imagination. Do you honestly think that the EU will send their own troops (of which none exist) into Ireland?

Now where is that rolleyes smiley?

Richard Hillman

Karlie Nutty Polyester wrote: »

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh get real. That's senseless bluster. We will be subject to the treaties we have signed in Europe.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Countries break EU treaties all the time. Tell them to fock off, get yourselves an army and man it yourselves.

What will they do about it? NOTHING, Literally ****ing nothing.

My name is URL

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You have very little imagination. Do you honestly think that the EU will send their own troops (of which none exist) into Ireland?

Now where is that rolleyes smiley?

You said we should refuse to man any borders if the EU asks us to.

Why would we do that? We're still part of the EU and the vast majority of Irish people are happy to be.

If it's a case that there are going to be hard borders, then we have a duty both nationally and on a European level to protect our own borders.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Countries break EU treaties all the time. Tell them to fock off, get yourselves an army and man it yourselves.

What will they do about it? NOTHING, Literally ****ing nothing.

We want to be in the EU and will continue as such. That commitment requires us to adhere to EU principles. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think we'd do as you suggest, or even want to.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

You must be clueless if you think it's simple, unless you want to go back to the days of hundreds of roads blocked with giant cement blocks and metal spikes, and destroyed bridges.

Otherwise yeah it's dead simple.

I live ON the border. You are confusing security measures against terrorism with what we had as customs posts. Brexit, hopefully, is a return to customs and immigration controls and not anti terrorist measures.

Clueless? No, far from it. And where did I say I wanted to go back to that?. For customs the pre-existing sites still hold as the logical locations.

Mr. FoggPatches

I hear the site liberal.ie may be up for grabs soon.

bear1

I'm wondering how they'd border the m1?

Nomis21

The border can stay open if the UK and ROI have immigration control at ports and airports and a joint visa scheme with customs exemptions for the North. This is already partly going into operation.

The ROI might be playing with the idea of border controls to try to persuade those in the North to vote for a united Ireland to avoid a border scenario.

Richard Hillman

My name is URL wrote: »

You said we should refuse to man any borders if the EU asks us to.

Why would we do that? We're still part of the EU and the vast majority of Irish people are happy to be.

If it's a case that there are going to be hard borders, then we have a duty both nationally and on a European level to protect our own borders.

Karlie Nutty Polyester wrote: »

We want to be in the EU and will continue as such. That commitment requires us to adhere to EU principles. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think we'd do as you suggest, or even want to.

Question: What do you think the EU would do if they told Ireland to enforce the border and we did literally nothing?

Fred Swanson

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Galway_Old_Man

We don't want a hard border. Neither do the Brits. But we can't do a deal on this as the EU puts its foot in...

Are we going to turn over and let them f us up the arse like we did in the banking crisis (thanks Brussels) or will we say shove it, this is the way we're doing it and any slimey French or Germans who get their knickers in a twist about it can take a running jump.

Galway_Old_Man

My name is URL wrote: »

If it's a case that there are going to be hard borders, then we have a duty both nationally and on a European level to protect our own borders.

Put on the Green shirt and take it up the arse from the Commission eh???

Balls to that, it's time to start swinging our dick in the EU and let them now that we won't be privy to their games anymore.

Nomis21

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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So why then is everyone in the North entitled to an Irish passport?

Fred Swanson

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bear1

Nomis21 wrote: »

So why then is everyone in the North entitled to an Irish passport?

I belive it was one of the terms of the good Friday agreement.

bear1

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Build a border crossing like anywhere else in the world. Make a toll plaza type set up.

Could you imagine the traffic at it.

Fred Swanson

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Galway_Old_Man

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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The sound of one-hand-typing folks.

Esel

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Such spinelessness and there hasn't even been an indication of a border being enforced.

The Irish Government should wholey state Our Armed Forces or Gardai will not be enforcing a border and neither will the British. So if the EU want a border they have to man it themselves and if they enter Irish soil it will be deemed an act of war. FIN.....

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You have very little imagination. Do you honestly think that the EU will send their own troops (of which none exist) into Ireland?

Now where is that rolleyes smiley?

What a load of shïte.

Banana Republican

Sad it's going to happen but was always on the cards given the brexit vote. We'll have to get used to it and respect the will of the British people and government.

firemansam4

They already have random customs checkpoints at some border points mainly checking northern reg cars and making sure they are not owned by residents in the republic.
I would not envisage there being any hard borders like the past, but I think there will be some sort of compromise made - as a guess I would say there will be an agreement to have much more random custom checkpoints working all the different crossing points at different times, and maybe higher port controls on the Island of Ireland as a whole.

Richard Hillman

firemansam4 wrote: »

They already have random customs checkpoints at some border points mainly checking northern reg cars and making sure they are not owned by residents in the republic.
I would not envisage there being any hard borders like the past, but I think there will be some sort of compromise made - as a guess I would say there will be an agreement to have much more random custom checkpoints working all the different crossing points at different times, and maybe higher port controls on the Island of Ireland as a whole.

This is what will happen exactly. Increased stoppages and probably a permanent presence by a couple of Garda at most of the Points.

And if a person is here or in Northern Ireland for non Tourist or business activities they must declare it to Dublin or Belfast.

steddyeddy

I don't think any sort of border could happen long term.

Charles Babbage

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

We don't want a hard border. Neither do the Brits.

Complete and utter nonsense, if the Brits did not want a hard border then they would simply leave things as they are.

Commotion Ocean

I don't see why we can't keep the borders open.

Norway and Sweden are non-EU and EU respectively, and yet the border remains open because they have the Schengen agreement between them.

Similarly, Ireland has the CTA with the UK, so why can't our borders stay open with the non-EU member?

Fred Swanson

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steddyeddy

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Complete and utter nonsense, if the Brits did not want a hard border then they would simply leave things as they are.

Brexit wasn't based on logic. The voters had zero idea about a lot of the consequences.

Tuco88

Well the E.U are gona make the Brexit as hard as possible, it can't be seen in anyway as good for the uk.

If it's a successful move I rekon the ass will fall out of the eu.

I would think hard border is preferred by the E.U

I'd wish they would hurry up with it...

Grayson

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

We don't want a hard border. Neither do the Brits. But we can't do a deal on this as the EU puts its foot in...

Are we going to turn over and let them f us up the arse like we did in the banking crisis (thanks Brussels) or will we say shove it, this is the way we're doing it and any slimey French or Germans who get their knickers in a twist about it can take a running jump.

The reason a hard border might happen is because the UK voted out of the EU. The EU wanted them to stay. The republic of Ireland wanted them to stay. People were told, both here and in the UK, that if the UK voted for brexit a hard border might be the result. They voted out. It was the UK that decided this. Sure, most in northern Ireland don't want a hard border but most in Britain couldn't give a fcuk.

Yet it's all the nasty EU's fault according to you.

Tuco88

Tuco88 wrote: »

Well the E.U are gona make the Brexit as hard as possible, it can't be seen in anyway as good for the uk.

If it's a successful move I rekon the ass will fall out of the eu.

I would think hard border is preferred by the E.U

I'd wish they would hurry up with it...

They won't be hurrying anywhere if Marine Le Pen wins the French presidential election in May. Personally I don't think she will, but if she did nobody outside of Ireland would give a f**k about the border here since the problems the EU would face would multiply by a million in dealing with the outcome of a Le Pen victory.

Richard Hillman

Immigration, is the key word. You cannot emigrate to a country legally without going through the procedures. Otherwise you are an illegal. The British don't want to stop people entering the country, they want to stop people emigrating into the country. Unless they go through the proper channels, they cannot do this. Unlike during the EU era of just turning up at Heathrow, getting their equivalent of the PPS Numbers and bobs your aunty, you have emigrated.

They'll still have 90 day tourist visas and the like.

Grayson

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Immigration, is the key word. You cannot emigrate to a country legally without going through the procedures. Otherwise you are an illegal. The British don't want to stop people entering the country, they want to stop people emigrating into the country. Unless they go through the proper channels, they cannot do this. Unlike during the EU era of just turning up at Heathrow, getting their equivalent of the PPS Numbers and bobs your aunty, you have emigrated.

They'll still have 90 day tourist visas and the like.

So you're saying on one hand that there shouldn't be a hard border but on the otherhand that people (I'm assuming the Irish are people) should have to apply for a 90 day visa.