young family looking for house around Dundrum shopping center

Dani_Din

Hi Guys, we are looking for a house around Dundrum shopping center. we are a young family that moving to Dublin and looking for a house with minimum of 2 bedrooms.i would love to hear from landlords with a peaceful cozy place.

Michael D Not Higgins

Ariel, while we welcome posts such as yours, I'm not sure how aware you are of the current rental market but a landlord with a property to rent has a queue of people waiting to rent it. They're not going out to canvas additional applicants. There are a number of 2 bed places around Dundrum in the region of 1700-2000 per month.

If you aren't based in Dublin yet it's unlikely you will be able to secure anything. I'd suggest you organise short term accommodation and then start your search for a longer term rental. Keep in mind the landlord will expect as a minimum: employment reference, previous landlord reference, deposit, etc. to secure the apartment and it is becoming more common to show up to open viewings with all these documents.

Dani_Din

Michael thanks, i'm aware of it and i have the funds to pay for a house in this price range, as for the references we have our own house that we will rent in our country and i can provide bank accounts history of two different saving accounts that presents that we are able to pay on time. i also have employment reference and other recommendations that i'll be happy to present. its just that i cant find a proper cozy house for me my wife our kid and the cat.

athtrasna

The cat is a big problem. A very small proportion of rentals allow pets.

Dani_Din

anyone familiar of rentals that allows cats ? I don't mind to write down in the contract that any damage that will be done I will pay for it. as i'm sure nothing will happened as our cat is very clam.

AndyBoBandy

ariel77r wrote: »

anyone familiar of rentals that allows cats ? I don't mind to write down in the contract that any damage that will be done I will pay for it. as i'm sure nothing will happened as our cat is very clam.

The problem is for every family who have a cat/dog looking to rent, there will be 20 families with no pet also looking to rent, so for the landlord it's a very simple choice!

It is a landlords market. They can pick and choose who rents off them sadly.

Mongfinder General

Get rid of the cat. Otherwise you'll be reduced to looking in areas where nobody wants to live.

Dani_Din

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Get rid of the cat. Otherwise you'll be reduced to looking in areas where nobody wants to live.

no way, its like getting rid of your own child. I don't mind to state in the contract that any damage done by the cat I will be liable for, but i'm not going to get rid of it.

lawred2

ariel77r wrote: »

no way, its like getting rid of your own child. I don't mind to state in the contract that any damage done by the cat I will be liable for, but i'm not going to get rid of it.

You mightn't mind but why should a landlord bother with it?

Takes a long time to rid a place of the smell of cat.

JustAThought

lawred2 wrote: »

You mightn't mind but why should a landlord bother with it?

Takes a long time to rid a place of the smell of cat.

Try daft.ie

athtrasna

ariel77r wrote: »

no way, its like getting rid of your own child. I don't mind to state in the contract that any damage done by the cat I will be liable for, but i'm not going to get rid of it.

You're not going to get rid of it but neither are you likely to find what you're looking for in such a high demand location. Rentals that accept pets are few and far between in any area but like gold dust in a place like Dundrum. Don't be tempted to forget to mention the cat either. Recipe for disaster.

Mongfinder General

ariel77r wrote: »

no way, its like getting rid of your own child. I don't mind to state in the contract that any damage done by the cat I will be liable for, but i'm not going to get rid of it.

Well then it's Ballybrack or Balbriggan for you so. I wouldn't let an animal near my house

silent_spark

If you offer a higher deposit (2-3 months instead of one), and you're an attractive candidate otherwise, a landlord might be okay with a cat. I've rented with a cat from several landlords, and it hasn't been a problem - but it's definitely more difficult in the current market. Even having children these days makes finding somewhere difficult, as landlords worry about increased wear and tear. Best of luck.

CIARAN_BOYLE

silent_spark wrote: »

If you offer a higher deposit (2-3 months instead of one), and you're an attractive candidate otherwise, a landlord might be okay with a cat. I've rented with a cat from several landlords, and it hasn't been a problem - but it's definitely more difficult in the current market. Even having children these days makes finding somewhere difficult, as landlords worry about increased wear and tear. Best of luck.

Isn't 2 or 3 months becoming standard these days?

JustAThought

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Isn't 2 or 3 months becoming standard these days?

Yes - due to the attitude of not giving notice & factoring in with this absconding on the bills & not having to bother with an evaluation for possible damages - three up front is pretty standard nowadays.

the_syco

ariel77r wrote: »

as for the references we have our own house that we will rent in our country

I doubt that this will really count for much, as essentially you're saying that you are your own reference.

ariel77r wrote: »

i also have employment reference and other recommendations that i'll be happy to present. its just that i cant find a proper cozy house for me my wife our kid

Your current employment references may help.

ariel77r wrote: »

the cat.

There are 28 house (50 properties) in the entire county of Dublin that accept pets.

The nearest apartment is in Stillorgan; http://www.daft.ie/21711884

The nearest house to Dundrum is in Sandyford; http://www.daft.ie/21712599 the catch is it's unfurnished. Probably the only reason it allows pets.

In the Advanced search section of daft.ie there is a Facilities drop-down that allows you to select "pets allowed".

Toots

You'd have a better chance with pets if you can contact the landlord directly. My sister in law is renting with a cat. Agencies were a straight up 'no' when she mentioned it, but then she found a couple of ads that were listed by the landlord as opposed to an agency. When she spoke to them a couple of them were open to allowing pets.

She had the cat in her previous place, so her old landlord put in the reference that the cat hadn't done damage. It also helped that her cat is old, because kittens and young cats are way more likely to do damage by scratching etc. The landlord she went with said to her an older adult cat was no problem, but not a kitten. She also paid an additional 50% on top of the deposit for the cat.

Lumen

JustAThought wrote: »

Yes - due to the attitude of not giving notice & factoring in with this absconding on the bills & not having to bother with an evaluation for possible damages - three up front is pretty standard nowadays.

Has the incidence of "not giving notice & factoring in with this absconding on the bills & not having to bother with an evaluation for possible damages" increased recently?

Or is it just that there is so much pressure of demand that only now are tenants agreeing to three months?

Dani_Din

Toots is Awesome wrote: »

You'd have a better chance with pets if you can contact the landlord directly. My sister in law is renting with a cat. Agencies were a straight up 'no' when she mentioned it, but then she found a couple of ads that were listed by the landlord as opposed to an agency. When she spoke to them a couple of them were open to allowing pets.

She had the cat in her previous place, so her old landlord put in the reference that the cat hadn't done damage. It also helped that her cat is old, because kittens and young cats are way more likely to do damage by scratching etc. The landlord she went with said to her an older adult cat was no problem, but not a kitten. She also paid an additional 50% on top of the deposit for the cat.

Any tips where to look ads posted by landlords and no agencies?

Frynge

http://smartproperty.ie/property/the-oaks-dundrum/


Would this suit. They don't say that they allow pets in this property but I know they allow dogs in other properties they let out.

I wouldnt even consider a person with pets even if they gave me a years deposit. The only small chance you have is if the cat lives outside all the time (and you can convince a LL of this) otherwise you have almost no chance of getting a place.

Lumen

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The problem is for every family who have a cat/dog looking to rent, there will be 20 families with no pet also looking to rent, so for the landlord it's a very simple choice!

It is a landlords market. They can pick and choose who rents off them sadly.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. There are good reasons for a landlord to accept pets, the principal one is that you have a captive market. Tenants are likely to tolerate a lower quality rental (or higher rent, however you look at it) in exchange for the right to keep their pet. Once they're in they'll probably stay longer, reducing void periods.

What you don't want is a cat in a property that has lots of carpets. My cats have destroyed several sets of carpets with scratching, particularly on stairs and at door thresholds.

OP: look for somewhere that has no carpets.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

That doesn't make a lot of sense. There are good reasons for a landlord to accept pets, the principal one is that you have a captive market. Tenants are likely to tolerate a lower quality rental (or higher rent, however you look at it) in exchange for the right to keep their pet. Once they're in they'll probably stay longer, reducing void periods.

What you don't want is a cat in a property that has lots of carpets. My cats have destroyed several sets of carpets with scratching, particularly on stairs and at door thresholds.

OP: look for somewhere that has no carpets.

You are guaranteed to find someone without pets to rent your place in the current market paying the same as someone with pets.

AndrewJRenko

This is one of the reasons why renting is not a long term option for many people and families in Ireland.

Something needs to change.

Lumen

Monserrat Millions Sprite wrote: »

You are guaranteed to find someone without pets to rent your place in the current market paying the same as someone with pets.

That's logically equivalent to stating that people place no value on keeping a pet, which is clearly nonsense.

athtrasna

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why renting is not a long term option for many people and families in Ireland.

Something needs to change.

Mod note

Please don't try to derail the thread. This is about the OP's specific situation not renting in general.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

That's logically equivalent to stating that people place no value on keeping a pet, which is clearly nonsense.

Some people might but plenty don't. Why anyone renting puts themselves through the massive additional hard ship of finding a place that allows pets is a big question though.

Lumen

Monserrat Millions Sprite wrote: »

Some people might but plenty don't. Why anyone renting puts themselves through the massive additional hard ship of finding a place that allows pets is a big question though.

People like pets. Ask someone with some humanity to explain it to you :pac:

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

People like pets. Ask someone with some humanity to explain it to you :pac:

You can like pets all you want but you are very foolish to have one unless you own your own property.

Delacent

And now back to the op's query...

You may need to look a little away from Dundrum for the ideal property.

Stillorgan, leopardstown, kilmacud are nearby.

A couple of 2 beds are available in The Chase on brewery road (5min walk to luas), another beside Stillorgan sc.

http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-rent/south-co-dublin/?s%5Bmxp%5D=2200&s%5Bmnb%5D=2&s%5Bmxb%5D=3&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B0%5D=5732&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B1%5D=428&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B2%5D=1551&searchSource=rental&offset=20

Cats in apartments would be an issue, but in a house, less so.

Moonbeam

myhome.ie and daft.ie are the main sites.
There is a Facebook group called familiesgoglobal and often when people are leaving their accommodation they will advertise it for their landlords.

Moonbeam

https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/wyckham-place-dundrum-dublin-14/3859064
https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/the-rowan-dundrum-dublin-14/3857489
https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/southmede-dundrum-dublin-16/3850510
At a quick look that is what I can see and I can not see any of them allowing a cat.

JustAThought

A friend of mine rented a big house for half nothing in the middle of nowhere (Meath/Weatmeath) and the landlord had no issue with their pets (3 cats) - motorway & train to Dublin closeby - school, pub and a one street village a few miles away. You may have to think laterally or rent a house where you can deny the cat and say it must be a stray and it adopted you after you moved in!!!

Problem is pets can do a lot of damage that is costly and time consuming to repair or replace. Notwitstanding the possible pong off chairs or couches or carpets, or iffy musk from cats, a leather couch with clawmarks, or chewed skirtingboards, or knawed door edges or a bed that has had a wet smelly dog lie and soak into the matress can quickly demolish a deposit - and that is before any human damage is factored in. You might get more sympathy traction on an old worn house but people want smart, high finished , clean homes - much loved pets , children and rented show type homes don't tylically go hand in hand - to your disadvantage.

Not sure what country you Are moving from - have you researched the quarentine obligations for your pet - rabies shots, etc. The whole conversation might be moot point.

TimeToShine

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

Mongfinder General

TimeToShine wrote: »

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

People moving here must think that we have a functioning housing market. We don't. But then again you'll always have people with unrealistic expectations

JustAThought

TimeToShine wrote: »

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

I was not comparing the neverlands of meath/west-m to Dundrum - I was stating that it commutable Irish style & they might have to look at much wider options for their pet.

Lemming

OP, more a comment than anything else: almost all two-bedroom accommodation that you are likely to find around Dundrum, and surrounding areas like Kilmacud, Stillorgan, Ballinteer, and Sandyford (the list is by no means exhaustive - I'm just referring to areas within 20/30 mins walking distance) will be apartments. Most houses to be found in these areas are semi-detached three-bedrooms or more. Most apartments built in Dublin witin the last twenty years are very small and not good for having pets in.

JustAThought

As someone who was having work done & had to move & find somewhere to live for an indeterminate period of months I found trying to rent short term with a pet a total nightmare - I really had to work hard and think laterally to find a good solution - you are relying on the kindness of pet loving strangers.

Travelling with dogs/ cats - this article is quite good - notwithstanding the total absence of a straightforward path for a-z information from any government department & the utterly changable nature of the 'rules' and their application from place to place.

http://www.irishcentral.com/travel/moving-to-ireland/how-to-bring-your-pets-with-you-when-you-move-to-ireland

Good Luck Cat-Man!!

Samuel T. Cogley

The hyperbole is strong in this thread!

Suggest anything other than a month's deposit and expect to put off the vast majority of potential tenants. Most of them think it's some sort of scam. Granted in certain areas or property types you can get away with it, the tenant would just ask their butler to contact the solicitor if there was a problem. A pet deposit is quite another thing and perfectly reasonable.

Dundrum is going to be an issue, it's (for reasons that completely escape me) a very popular place to live. Widen your search, as other have said speak to landlords directly and every landlord is different. It's certainly not going to make it any easier but as a cat person myself it's make you standout to me, it would also suggest that you were going to be longer term as it would be more difficult for you to find somewhere.

Cats aren't as nearly a big a issue as dogs, but they do scratch and it would be perfectly reasonable for you to be expected to pay (hundreds) for specialist cleaning at the end of your tenancy.

JustAThought

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

The hyperbole is strong in this thread!

Suggest anything other than a month's deposit and expect to put off the vast majority of potential tenants. Most of them think it's some sort of scam. Granted in certain areas or property types you can get away with it, the tenant would just ask their butler to contact the solicitor if there was a problem. A pet deposit is quite another thing and perfectly reasonable.

Dundrum is going to be an issue, it's (for reasons that completely escape me) a very popular place to live. Widen your search, as other have said speak to landlords directly and every landlord is different. It's certainly not going to make it any easier but as a cat person myself it's make you standout to me, it would also suggest that you were going to be longer term as it would be more difficult for you to find somewhere.

Cats aren't as nearly a big a issue as dogs, but they do scratch and it would be perfectly reasonable for you to be expected to pay (hundreds) for specialist cleaning at the end of your tenancy.

Yes - three months deposit is increasingly standard <mod snip>

The OP will be moving - for work I assume ? they would be well advantaged to get their employer involved with a company lease agreement or short term (high cost) rental subsidy - assuming you are not just moving your children, family and cat for the craic & stress. Best of luck.

athtrasna

Mod note Posters are asked to stick the OP's issue and not take the thread off topic with deposit and other side tracks.

Dani_Din

JustAThought wrote: »

A friend of mine rented a big house for half nothing in the middle of nowhere (Meath/Weatmeath) and the landlord had no issue with their pets (3 cats) - motorway & train to Dublin closeby - school, pub and a one street village a few miles away. You may have to think laterally or rent a house where you can deny the cat and say it must be a stray and it adopted you after you moved in!!!

Problem is pets can do a lot of damage that is costly and time consuming to repair or replace. Notwitstanding the possible pong off chairs or couches or carpets, or iffy musk from cats, a leather couch with clawmarks, or chewed skirtingboards, or knawed door edges or a bed that has had a wet smelly dog lie and soak into the matress can quickly demolish a deposit - and that is before any human damage is factored in. You might get more sympathy traction on an old worn house but people want smart, high finished , clean homes - much loved pets , children and rented show type homes don't tylically go hand in hand - to your disadvantage.

Not sure what country you Are moving from - have you researched the quarentine obligations for your pet - rabies shots, etc. The whole conversation might be moot point.

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

JaMarcusHustle

OP - if you need to live near Dundrum for work/school reasons and are having trouble finding somewhere, perhaps you can consider somewhere along the green Luas line. It's a tram, and it stops in Dundrum (though the next stop Ballally is actually closer to the shopping centre).

Here is quite a large map you can look at areas on:
https://www.luas.ie/assets/graphics/RPA%20Marketing%20Campaigns/Got%20Kids%20Get%20Luas/MapOverview2.jpg

Dundrum/Balally are in the middle of the green line. The further south you go along the line, the more chance you'll have of finding somewhere. Just something to keep in mind.

cerastes

ariel77r wrote: »

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

You paid a company to do what?

Dani_Din

cerastes wrote: »

ariel77r wrote: »

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

You paid a company to do what?

To take care of the cat's paperwork and the flight

The_Conductor

Ariel- you're looking for a minimum 2 bed- in a prime location.
What is your budget- and how open are you to explore areas other than immediately around Dundrum shopping centre? I.e. are you willing to commute?
Dundrum is extremely high demand- and my reading of the situation is that you'd prefer more than 2 bedrooms- 2 bedrooms is a minimum.......?

I honestly think that you *have* to expand the list of areas you're willing to consider- the cat alone rules out an apartment (almost without exception, pets are forbidden in apartments- this is not at the discretion of the landlord to over-rule)- so you need a house- and preferably one with more than 2 bedrooms (you'll probably have the inlaws visiting etc- and need more space).

What is your maximum budget- and how willing are you to consider areas other than immediately close by to the Dundrum shopping centre (which is probably the highest demand area in the entire country)?

Dani_Din

Hi Conductor, thanks for the replay, my badge is around 1,900 euro. i dont mind to look at other areas around the dart train , like dun Laoghaire,Merrion, blackrock ,etc.

Toots

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I think you're going to have to adjust either location or budget. The areas you're mentioning are the highest priced in the whole country. You might swing a 2 bed there but with a cat I'd say you've little chance.

Dani_Din

Toots is Awesome wrote: »

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I think you're going to have to adjust either location or budget. The areas you're mentioning are the highest priced in the whole country. You might swing a 2 bed there but with a cat I'd say you've little chance.

any areas that you recommend around dublin ? ( my work is in dublin )

The_Conductor

ariel77r wrote: »

any areas that you recommend around dublin ? ( my work is in dublin )

I'd suggest going a little further afield (Bray/Greystones) or taking a slightly different approach and perhaps trying Maynooth/Leixlip (which are on the suburban rail line- with very frequent trains during peak hours into the city centre). Or you could take the other trainline- and try Sallins beside Naas Co. Kildare.

Your budget simply isn't going to cut it for the areas you're mentioning- definitely not for a 2-3 bed house, its simply not achievable.

Personally I'm not that fond of Bray- but it is on the Dart line, and you probably could make it work from a budget perspective etc- my own choice would be Maynooth. I'd consider Maynooth the beat of Sallins any day of the week- but it might be easier to get a house in Sallins than Maynooth.

I totally get why you want to live in the areas you've listed- unfortunately- everyone else wants to live there too (for the same reasons)- which is why rents there are at completely unbelievable levels.

Clafou

Clafou wrote: »

There's a simple solution. Just don't tell the landlord that you have a cat. Don't mention it, it's a small detail after all and you are probably a better than average tenant anyway. I'm sure there won't be damage or smells (the people who claim this probably don't know much about cats) but if there is then your deposit will cover it. If there's any issue, tell them that you did not have a cat when you moved in but that you do now because a family member was forced to "get rid" of theirs.

Just like there shouldn't be a contract that says "no kids", there shouldn't be a rental agreement preventing you from having pets. That's just ridiculous and creates terrible injustice with pets being abandoned just because landlords have no empathy or no sense of social responsibility.

Of course there will be damage and smells, you are in dreamland if you think there won't be hence why most LL don't allow pets. Not telling the LL is a terrible idea and will result in eviction and no reference for the next place they are looking.

An inspection will immediately tell if there is a pet living in the house apartment. Stupid excuses like I "took in a cat" wont be entertained by any LL its an obviously lie and even if it was true it makes no difference its still breaching the no pets rule.

Also of course LL should be allowed stipulate no pets, its their property and why would they want it subjected to traditional wear and tear along with the potential for problems with neighbours caused by pets.