General attitude of an Irish Team with a Non Irish Boss

DasBikq

Greetings all u leprechaun lovers , I am a citizen of India and I have been offered a position in Ireland (wont reveal the name of the company since my identity may be figured out in a public forum) it a senior tech role. The thing is I have experience teams, and have the experience and creds to prove it. And an Irish startup firm has hired me , i intend to take up the job , but here is my concern. 
I have never actually lead a team with foreigners in my own country, but now I have been hired for a position in which the team I will be leading are all Irish Nationals, in our interviews I have had brief discussions with them, but as you are all aware the behavior we have in an office environment doesnt reflect our true nature. 
Anyway getting to the point, I want to know to the good irish people, what is your thoughts of having a non irish boss ? I mean your honest opinions , would you feel at some level some resentment ? Generally speaking what is your opinion of working with an asian ? 
I dont want to come off as being racist, Im just curious since the Europe is known to have ultra nationalistic ideals due to ongoing catastrophic migrant crisis there. 
Oh and as a side note , what the protocol in hitting on Irish girls ? 
Thanks, DasBikq

reallyrose

People mostly don't care as long as you're not a jerk. (Like, obviously, we have racist people, same as everywhere) but that ultra-nationalist feeling isn't as rife in Ireland.
I mean, if we didn't hire foreign people, we'd have no tech economy.

(Same goes for the women with extra "don't be a jerk".)

Arcade_Tryer

DasBikq wrote: »

Greetings all u leprechaun lovers

Thank you, come again.

Tom Dunne

DasBikq wrote: »

Greetings all u leprechaun lovers

DasBikq wrote: »

Generally speaking what is your opinion of working with an asian ? 

DasBikq wrote: »

I dont want to come off as being racist

DasBikq wrote: »

Europe is known to have ultra nationalistic ideals due to ongoing catastrophic migrant crisis there. 

DasBikq wrote: »

Oh and as a side note , what the protocol in hitting on Irish girls ? 

Don't worry, you'll get on just fine.

TimeToShine

Jaysus.

Good luck to them.

jimmycrackcorm

As long as you are buying the pints on the team night out then you'll be fine.

DasBikq

right, thanks for the replies, i gather irish people like to be very subtle and indirect , gonna have to extra alert around all of you eh

tastyt

Seems like your the one with all the pre concieved ideas not the irish.

Arriving with an open mind might help.

Mrs OBumble

DasBikq wrote: »

right, thanks for the replies, i gather irish people like to be very subtle and indirect , gonna have to extra alert around all of you eh

I think you are right on that point: I find that irish people on average are somewhat passive-aggressive. First thing to learn is that "grand" means"ok, strictly ok".

Also how will you feel about having women in your team,and as colleagues and as higher level managers than you? Because on average I've found that some Indian men struggle with this.

pauliebdub

Some of my best managers have been from overseas. If you're fair and reasonable you should be fine.

I've had mixed experiences of working with Indians, while they are usually very nice people they can sometimes be passive and servile, poor communicators and try to save face if something goes wrong until the last minute. I've also noticed problems with Indian men working with and taking direction from women.

wally1990

Just be normal . Be professional fair and respect everyone on team equally and respects their opinion . Compliment them on good work and provide general constructive feedback. Never put them down and most definitely not in front of others.

I 'heard' Indias love Hierachy and demanding respect ( not sure how true this is ) but do not enter the position thinking your run the show ! Meet with the team as a whole then individually introduce yourself give a brief background history of your work experiences and then ask about theirs listen to them and ask questions about their skill set and their goals for their company and themselves

You are a team so act like it

I work with indias on a daily basis and I treat them the same as everyone else I respect them for good work and highlight bad work and how to improve (same as I would with Irish work people )

Best of luck and bring positively to the new role and enjoy the team effort

They will respect you more if you respect them

DasBikq

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

DasBikq wrote: »

Greetings all u leprechaun lovers

Thank you, come again.

I was trying to be funny here to break the ice so as to speak.

DasBikq

reallyrose wrote: »

People mostly don't care as long as you're not a jerk. (Like, obviously, we have racist people, same as everywhere) but that ultra-nationalist feeling isn't as rife in Ireland.
I mean, if we didn't hire foreign people, we'd have no tech economy.

(Same goes for the women with extra "don't be a jerk".)

Thanks , glad to know that the Irish are more open , regarding the cailin , lot of confusing information online about the rules of engagement, will have to figure this out the old fashioned way , i guess.

DasBikq

Tom Dunne wrote: »

DasBikq wrote: »

Greetings all u leprechaun lovers

DasBikq wrote: »

Generally speaking what is your opinion of working with an asian ? 

DasBikq wrote: »

I dont want to come off as being racist

DasBikq wrote: »

Europe is known to have ultra nationalistic ideals due to ongoing catastrophic migrant crisis there. 

DasBikq wrote: »

Oh and as a side note , what the protocol in hitting on Irish girls ? 

Don't worry, you'll get on just fine.

Sarcasm ? I cant decipher what you are trying to express but thanks

DasBikq

TimeToShine wrote: »

Jaysus.

Good luck to them.

Hmm , I take it I have to endear myself to the group, any pointers ? what if I make jokes about the Queen of England ?

DasBikq

tastyt wrote: »

Seems like your the one with all the pre concieved ideas not the irish.

Arriving with an open mind might help.

Its the news man , rise of the Right , fascist attitudes are spreading across like wildfire , I was just inquiring about the situation.

listermint

Sorry, there is no way you are Indian.

The colloquialism that you've used and phrases and general attitude presented here mean you are Irish .

Thread fail.

DasBikq

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

DasBikq wrote: »

right, thanks for the replies, i gather irish people like to be very subtle and indirect , gonna have to extra alert around all of you eh

I think you are right on that point: I find that irish people on average are somewhat passive-aggressive.  First thing to learn is that "grand" means"ok, strictly ok".

Also how will you feel about having women in your team,and as colleagues and as higher level managers than you?   Because on average I've found that some Indian men struggle with this.

Thanks bumble , could you elaborate what you meant by this ?

eviltwin

DasBikq wrote: »

Its the news man , rise of the Right , fascist attitudes are spreading across like wildfire , I was just inquiring about the situation.

Just talk to them as people, not Irish people, and you will be fine. No need to make a big thing out of the cultural differences. There are many non Irish working here, it's not a big deal, just do your job and you will be fine.

DasBikq

pauliebdub wrote: »

 
. I've also noticed problems with Indian men working with and taking direction from women.

Are u saying the proper amount of respect is not being accorded ?

duffman13

Having worked with Indian people in Australia id say you'll be fine. Give it a bit of time and go in with an open mind, you'll find its a lot more relaxed than what your used to.

Irish people tend to speak there mind more and wouldn't be short in questioning a decision they don't agree with. But sarcasm is huge here so get used to that too

DasBikq

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

As long as you are buying the pints on the team night out then you'll be fine.

Check, bud light for everybody

DasBikq

listermint wrote: »

Sorry, there is no way you are Indian.

The colloquialism that you've used and phrases and general attitude presented here mean you are Irish .

Thread fail.

Look dude , If I was IRISH , I wouldnt be on this thread asking how to hit on all the irish honeys , aight !

DasBikq

Anayway , It seems there is an issue with Indian Men working with Irish Women , If someone would be kind enough to let me know what it is , I can make a concerted effort to get that fixed , peace !

eviltwin

Finding it hard to believe this wasn't covered during the recruiting process.....

DasBikq

eviltwin wrote: »

Finding it hard to believe this wasn't covered during the recruiting process.....

hey im just trying to understand , how to fit in without causing any friction

DasBikq

wally1990 wrote: »

Just be normal . Be professional fair and respect everyone on team equally and respects their opinion . Compliment them on good work and provide general constructive feedback. Never put them down and most definitely not in front of others.

I 'heard' Indias love Hierachy and demanding respect ( not sure how true this is ) but do not enter the position thinking your run the show ! Meet with the team as a whole then individually introduce yourself give a brief background history of your work experiences and then ask about theirs listen to them and ask questions about their skill set and their goals for their company and themselves

You are a team so act like it

I work with indias on a daily basis and I treat them the same as everyone else I respect them for good work and highlight bad work and how to improve (same as I would with Irish work people )

Best of luck and bring positively to the new role and enjoy the team effort

They will respect you more if you respect them

Thanks man , your right it actually an asian thing , the higher up you are in the pecking order certain type of servile behavior is expected from the subordinates , that doesnt apply to the western culture which I am very aware of ,

Wanderer78

DasBikq wrote: »

Look dude , If I was IRISH , I wouldnt be on this thread asking how to hit on all the irish honeys , aight !

this is how NOT to treat irish women or any other woman for that matter. women are not honeys! they are human beings that deserve respect all the time.

some good advice on this thread and best of look in the job. be aware, you may struggle with our weather

davo10

Strange thread, but I think it's a wind up.

rarariot

if you want some irish honeys just dangle a chicken fillet roll on a string on Harcourt st at around 4 am any weekend. Good luck in your search

ah you'll be grand dasbigdick

just take it easy with the oul gang rape at the xmas party ok, it's a real social faux pas, I know. who knew right.... let the quickie mart jokes just run off your back like Nile water and again you'll blend in.

don't be surprised if we ask you to ship a few kilos of pure uncut turmeric in from the motherland, we hate that powdered Tesco crap, it really gives our downward dog the trots. just be yourself and you'll be part of the cast in no time..that's casT with a T not and E!! we'll iron out those high societal notions for you in no time, you'll be carrying our luggage and driving a nightlink before you can say "2 rohypnol please"or as you educated Indians like to say Flunitrazepam!!!

somesoldiers

davo10 wrote: »

Strange thread, but I think it's a wind up.

Especially with the "cailin" bit

DasBikq wrote: »

Thanks , glad to know that the Irish are more open , regarding the cailin , lot of confusing information online about the rules of engagement, will have to figure this out the old fashioned way , i guess.

davo10

somesoldiers wrote: »

Especially with the "cailin" bit

Think the op is actually trying to insight a bit of abuse towards Indians.

so should we call em custer????

davo10

rusty cole wrote: »

so should we call em custer????

Little Big Horn?

sitting bull**** sounds like the right nome de jour to me.

jasus if he is indian he's goosed.... the piss taking alone will send em back to Bangalore!!

Halpenny

How did this end up in "Work & Jobs"?

ressem

sitting bull**** sounds like the right nome de jour to me.

Probably

jasus if he is indian he's goosed.... the piss taking alone will send em back to Bangalore!!

Not usually, I've worked with some "brahmin" high society-ish Indians that adapted pretty well. And other classes, better. Easier to get away with than a Ballsbridge accent in Offaly.

DasBikq wrote: »

Hmm , I take it I have to endear myself to the group, any pointers ? what if I make jokes about the Queen of England ?

That would make you appear pathetically desperate looking for approval. And that you're stereotyping your team before you talk to them.

The Irish equivalent is making jokes about yourself, and laughing if others make jokes at your expense. But not everyone has the personality that works for taking and giving soft insults. Much better to wait until you know who has a thick skin or who's sensitive.

If you're insisting on stereotypes, then buying pizza or indian takeaway would work better.

You're going to be a team leader at a startup?
If the other team members have good prior work experience, then they'll probably have worked with plenty of nationalities, will treat you as the colleague that's volunteered to be the poor fool explaining this weeks f***ups and purchases to the purple-faced financial controller.

If your bosses are cheap and hiring mostly inexperienced members, they're going to be way more concerned about learning the basics of their craft.

Try to explain and diagram why you're doing what you're doing;

and that when they are out of their depth and things are going wrong that they've got a windows of some time (X hours) to figure it out for themselves (or talking to their neighbour), and beyond that to look for advice and help from the team leader.
And that you are patient with the newbies; even minor speaking differences between people from Irish midlands and Ireland south can result in misunderstandings that will have you mentally faceplanting the keyboard.

Nody

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