British army phase 1

caiminmurp1

I'm starting my training at the end of the month to join the Irish guards regiment and my basic training is 30 weeks.

pablomakaveli

caiminmurp1 wrote: »

I'm starting my training at the end of the month to join the Irish guards regiment and my basic training is 30 weeks.

Infantry do Phase 1 and 2 in Catterick so its easier in a way as its all centralized. Other non-infantry cap badges will do Phase 1 at somewhere like Pirbright and then go to another camp for Phase 2.

Stars and Stripes

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Phase 1 is 14 weeks. Phase 2 which is trade specific can vary. Mine was 3 months. Then I did my regiment specific training when I got there which was another 6 weeks.

Ok so the BA's own recruitment website is wrong but your right aren't you Walter

tac foley

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Just to clarify a few of Tac's points for the benefit of balance. etc.

Thanks for putting me right about a few things.

However, the PDF does NOT have units made up of linguists, though no doubt you'll correct me there.

BTW, being bi-lingual in Irish does not count...

And as for...'Depending on your Corps and ability, it could take a person 3-5 years to reach the rank of Corporal. It could take 10-15 years to reach Sgt. It could take 19-25 years to reach Quarter Master or Company Sgt and tbh, anything higher is just a bonus.

Someone has to die, retire or leave for the vacancy to become available to be promoted into. Its not a case of lazyness if you are not a Sgt by the time you reach 25.'

The PDF and the British Army are totally different in that respect. The terms of engagement are based on a quite different ethos - in the British Army, it used to be 6, 9, 15 and 22 years, with an option to leave during that time. Many parts of the Army rely on the so-called LE, or late entry officer - I was one myself, having been commissioned from WO1. I continued for a further fifteen and three-quarter years until I took early retirement.

tac

tac foley

caiminmurp1 wrote: »

I'm starting my training at the end of the month to join the Irish guards regiment and my basic training is 30 weeks.

Great envy is mine, Sir! All the very best of luck to you. Keep us in the picture [if you have time], and let us know your progress.

tac

PS - just call it 'The Irish Guards'. Everybody understands that it's the finest regiment in the Brigade of Guards.

Stars and Stripes

tac foley wrote: »

Great envy is mine, Sir! All the very best of luck to you. Keep us in the picture [if you have time], and let us know your progress.

tac

PS - just call it 'The Irish Guards'. Everybody understands that it's the finest regiment in the Brigade of Guards.

Are Guards regiment for specialized ceremonial duties ? A bit like say the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment at Arlington Cemetery ?

pablomakaveli

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Ok so the BA's own recruitment website is wrong but your right aren't you Walter

Pretty much. If you dont believe I'm telling the truth feel free to get in touch with a careers office where they'll tell you the same.

Not a chance in hell of getting someone fully trained up in both basic infantryman and trade training in 14 weeks. But then anyone who isnt a crowbag knows that already.

Barry Badrinath

tac foley wrote: »

Thanks for putting me right about a few things.

However, the PDF does NOT have units made up of linguists, though no doubt you'll correct me there.

BTW, being bi-lingual in Irish does not count...

And as for...'Depending on your Corps and ability, it could take a person 3-5 years to reach the rank of Corporal. It could take 10-15 years to reach Sgt. It could take 19-25 years to reach Quarter Master or Company Sgt and tbh, anything higher is just a bonus.

Someone has to die, retire or leave for the vacancy to become available to be promoted into. Its not a case of lazyness if you are not a Sgt by the time you reach 25.'

The PDF and the British Army are totally different in that respect. The terms of engagement are based on a quite different ethos - in the British Army, it used to be 6, 9, 15 and 22 years, with an option to leave during that time. Many parts of the Army rely on the so-called LE, or late entry officer - I was one myself, having been commissioned from WO1. I continued for a further fifteen and three-quarter years until I took early retirement.

tac

Im not looking to "put you right" on anything. I just dont want people reading one comment and thinking its correct, if it is not. As you regularly do. Im not au fait with the BA and if I offered a comment which was wrong, I would expect to be corrected.

I never said nor suggested he PDF have dedicated linguist units. We have personnel in various Units and speialised areas who are multilingual. The languages are tailored to our operational needs. I have no doubt the BA has a more comprehensive linguist capability but we have the capability for what we need.

The BA and the PDF are different animals, that is correct and I agree with you.

The terms of engagement in the PDF is similar. Its 5, 9, 12 and 21 years (as long as you have jumped through the required hoops) with the option of leaving also. Then after 21 years it is in 2 year increments up until a returement age appropriate to your rank.

We also have LE but they are referred to as Potential Officer Courses (POC). They are not a regular occurance...maybe one every 10 years.

In the PDF, a competent soldier may only reach the rank of Sgt before 21 years service. I know guys who have left the PDF (some of whom I trained) and are doing very well there.

Now il stop with the OT chat.

Best of luck to anyone crossing the water to join up.

tac foley

I just wasted about ten minutes of my precious time figuring out that during my time as a soldier I initially spent seventy-two weeks technical trade training in the REME BEFORE joining my unit. These days I believe that its shorter, but a lot more intense due to the use of computers rather than abaci...

On transferring two years later, I spent almost thirty weeks basic A3 trade training, followed by 65 weeks at language school. Later visits to language school were only about a year, though. There followed A2 and A1 trade training to qualify me for promotion, totalling about thirty weeks. Specialist training after changing my career course occupied a further sixteen weeks, topped up by many add-on courses over the following years - say another twenty weeks in total. During that time, and overlapping into my commissioned service, I also got a BSc in remote sensing and earth sciences and a BA in modern languages, and eventually topped up the BSc to an MSc. I also spent some time at the RCMS Shrivenham, but that was only for a couple of months. I wasn't considered Staff College material, though - very few LE officers ever were.

tac

tac foley

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

..but we have the capability for what we need.

The BA and the PDF are different animals, that is correct and I agree with you.

Nail. Head. Hit.

tac

caiminmurp1

tac foley wrote: »

Great envy is mine, Sir! All the very best of luck to you. Keep us in the picture [if you have time], and let us know your progress.

tac

PS - just call it 'The Irish Guards'. Everybody understands that it's the finest regiment in the Brigade of Guards.

Not sure IL have much time first few weeks but will update when I can, thank you

It wasn't me!

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

I never mentioned as you very well know anything about " trade training " along with basic infantry training. Your just trying the old Strawman trick i.e. attribute a quote to someone that they never made !! As stated by me you "crowbag" " According to the BA's own links it's 2 phases, phase 1 of 1 - 7 weeks, phase 2 of 8 - 14 weeks, therefore 14 weeks in total ? "

GOT YA !!

You're taking the information off a website while someone who actually went and did it is trying to communicate with you here. That doesn't seem like the best idea ever...

caiminmurp1

I am going to basic training on the 26th of this month I know how many weeks it is. Your wrong. On the BA website it says phase 1 is 14 weeks and phase 2 is also a further 14 weeks. When you click in to phase 1 it puts you on the a page where it tells you what happens from 1-7 weeks in phase 1 but that doesn't mean that's how long the phase is.

pablomakaveli

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

I never mentioned as you very well know anything about " trade training " along with basic infantry training. Your just trying the old Strawman trick i.e. attribute a quote to someone that they never made !! As stated by me you "crowbag" " According to the BA's own links it's 2 phases, phase 1 of 1 - 7 weeks, phase 2 of 8 - 14 weeks, therefore 14 weeks in total ? "

GOT YA !!

Phase 2 is trade training. Phase 1 is Basic Infantryman training. So when you were mentioning Phase 2, you were talking about trade training.

But ultimately it doesnt really bother me. You're the one making a fool of yourself. If you want to believe you're right, well crack on.

tac foley

Calling any of these three ACCs would be a sure way that Mr Stars and Stripes can put his or her mind to rest....

ACC Coleraine
Army Reserve Centre
Artillery Road
Coleraine
BT52 2AL
Telephone 1: 028 922 60604

ACC Enniskillen
Army Reserve Centre
Rossorry Church Road
Enniskillen
Co Fermanagh
BT74 7HB
Telephone 1: 028 922 60110

AFCO Belfast
Palace Barracks
Holywood
County Down
BT18 9RA
Telephone 1: 02890 420109

Blast! I oughtn't to be here......

tac

Stars and Stripes

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Phase 2 is trade training. Phase 1 is Basic Infantryman training. So when you were mentioning Phase 2, you were talking about trade training.

But ultimately it doesnt really bother me. You're the one making a fool of yourself. If you want to believe you're right, well crack on.

Spot on, apologies, post removed.

Stars and Stripes

tac foley wrote: »

Calling any of these three ACCs would be a sure way that Mr Stars and Stripes can put his or her mind to rest....

ACC Coleraine
Army Reserve Centre
Artillery Road
Coleraine
BT52 2AL
Telephone 1: 028 922 60604

ACC Enniskillen
Army Reserve Centre
Rossorry Church Road
Enniskillen
Co Fermanagh
BT74 7HB
Telephone 1: 028 922 60110

AFCO Belfast
Palace Barracks
Holywood
County Down
BT18 9RA
Telephone 1: 02890 420109

Blast! I oughtn't to be here......

tac

Well that's rich coming from the fella who had to be put right by Senor Fancy Pants on Javelin trained personnel, linguists, rank structure in the Irish army to a fella who tries to make out joining the British army is like becoming an astronaut or James Bond or something in comparison to the Irish army. And it's two ACC's and a AFCO, see tac you can make a mistake just like moi.


( Now back to what I joined boards.ie for - to discuss the Superbowl )

pablomakaveli

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Spot on, apologies, post removed.

No worries. FWIW I think I know where the confusion arose. Phase 1 training is kind of split into two halves as you get to go home for a long weekend at the end of week 7.