Cameron back for Terminator?

Seanachai

Cameron possibly back as producer?


https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/jan/23/can-james-cameron-switch-terminator-back-on

Would much prefer him to put his hand to something else new in the Sci-Fi genre, don't think the terminator horse needs to be beaten anymore even if there is new characters etc

Seanachai

Deleted User wrote: »

Would much prefer him to put his hand to something else new in the Sci-Fi genre, don't think the terminator horse needs to be beaten anymore even if there is new characters etc

I'd still like to see it closed with a decent movie that has the human element that's been missing since T2. I'd love to see Linda Hamilton back and some decent casting for the other roles. There's a lot of scope for storytelling in the franchise, if they can get some intelligent writers, if they haven't all left the industry by now lol

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

Would much prefer him to put his hand to something else new in the Sci-Fi genre, don't think the terminator horse needs to be beaten anymore even if there is new characters etc

It's saying he's only going to be a producer anyway (if it actually happens) so will still be working on his own projects besides I'd say.

Seanachai

Mickeroo wrote: »

It's saying he's only going to be a producer anyway (if it actually happens) so will still be working on his own projects besides I'd say.

Even as a producer I'd hope that he'd bring that quality that is lacking in a lot of sci-fi movies and movies in general lately.

Seanachai

Seanachai wrote: »

Even as a producer I'd hope that he'd bring that quality that is lacking in a lot of sci-fi movies and movies in general lately.

Yeah its time for Cameron to raise the bar again!

grumpyScotsman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah its time for Cameron to raise the bar again!

I'd agree with this, that the quality needs to improve. But I would prefer them to leave the franchise well alone all together. All the movies since T2 have disappointed me, and not just because Cameron wasn't involved.

pixelburp

No. Just, no. Terminator's had its chance and has demonstrated a pronounced diminishing in returns since the third film. Churning out a sixth, franchise mandated production would just seem like a further insult to the grungy, lo-fi B-movie thrills of that 1984 classic.

Besides, I honestly don't think there's anywhere else for this story to go without doing a hard reboot, and in that case, what's the point? It had the legs of a good 2, 3 film story maximum, and not that extensive a mythology to keep the wheels spinning indefinitely. Apocalypses are a fairly limited world to set any narrative to start with, let alone one ruled by Skynet.

Lorelli!

I think they should just leave it now. Every one since T2 has been such a disappointment. I can hardly remember them tbh since they were so bad and forgettable.

They've also ruined the great potential for the character, John Connor.

Nucflash

I want two Cameron's back. James Cameron and Cameron Phillips.

ScrubsfanChris

Seanachai wrote: »

I'd still like to see it closed with a decent movie that has the human element that's been missing since T2. I'd love to see Linda Hamilton back and some decent casting for the other roles. There's a lot of scope for storytelling in the franchise, if they can get some intelligent writers, if they haven't all left the industry by now lol

If you count Terminator 3 as cannon then Sarah Connor died in the late 90's
I'd like her back too but we would either be taking prequel or remove everything after T2 from the "Terminator" story line.
Or back as an android?

If you listen to Camerons commentary on T2 he mentions that he always saw it as the end of the story in his mind and never had plans for another.

Ben Gadot

A reboot being overseen by Cameron certainly isn't the worst avenue this property could take.

At least it would mean Arnie would finally be put out to pasture.

McLoughlin

He is deep into his 4 Avatar films though I don't think all 4 will get released so how much involvement he will have with a new Terminator film come 2019 is debatable.

Lorelli!

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

If you count Terminator 3 as cannon then Sarah Connor died in the late 90's
I'd like her back too but we would either be taking prequel or remove everything after T2 from the "Terminator" story line.
Or back as an android?

If you listen to Camerons commentary on T2 he mentions that he always saw it as the end of the story in his mind and never had plans for another.

T1 was Sarah Connor's story. She was sweet and her innocence was shattered but she was not defeated. In T2, she comes back tough and hardened. She's broken and conflicted in raising her son for a future that she knows is bleak but determined to do the right thing for her son and Reece, the father of her son.

I feel that T1 and T2 covered her story and imo the next step was to invest in the John Connor story which began in T2. He does not share the naivety that his mother had because she didn't raise him as that woman and was preparing him for bigger things. He is still human and vulnerable though and so he needs to learn the beauty of humanity despite coming to terms with a crappy future and the responsibility and burden placed on him.

Anyway I always thought that they could have made a great story for him, tying in the relationship with his father and then I saw the monstrosity that was genisys :pac:

ScrubsfanChris

McLoughlin wrote: »

He is deep into his 4 Avatar films though I don't think all 4 will get released so how much involvement he will have with a new Terminator film come 2019 is debatable.

Avatar 2 and 3 are being filmed back to back and then he's taking a break. With release dates (estimated) of December 2018/2019 it will be a while I'd say until he has any meaningful free time for a project like this.

jaykhunter

I LOVE Terminator (well, 1 & 2 -- I bought it on Lazerdisc last year!). Film franchises never die. The last one did great -- makes financial sense to do another. The last one did poorly -- this time we'll "do it right". It doesn't matter how the film performs, there'll be a new one. A new Spider-Man. A new Superman. It's kinda depressing.

Arghus

McLoughlin wrote: »

He is deep into his 4 Avatar films though I don't think all 4 will get released so how much involvement he will have with a new Terminator film come 2019 is debatable.

God, four? Does anyone seriously believe this will actually happen? Look at the pace that he makes movies at. I know some very ambitious release dates that talking about the end of this decade, but, seriously, I very much doubt we'll be seeing any Avatar action any time soon, and as for multiple sequels.... I wouldn't hold my breath.

If Cameron is back on board as a Producer for a further Terminator installment is doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be contributing in any meaningful way towards the creation of the movie. He could potentially be very involved of course, but he could equally have a very distant tangential relationship to production itself. Sometimes people get involved in name only thanks to the complications of the system and industry.

McLoughlin

Arghus wrote: »

God, four? Does anyone seriously believe this will actually happen? Look at the pace that he makes movies at. I know some very ambitious release dates that talking about the end of this decade, but, seriously, I very much doubt we'll be seeing any Avatar action any time soon, and as for multiple sequels.... I wouldn't hold my breath.

If Cameron is back on board as a Producer for a further Terminator installment is doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be contributing in any meaningful way towards the creation of the movie. He could potentially be very involved of course, but he could equally have a very distant tangential relationship to production itself. Sometimes people get involved in name only thanks to the complications of the system and industry.

http://deadline.com/2016/04/james-cameron-gives-update-on-avatar-sequels-expanding-to-four-sequels-slams-screening-room-gets-cheers-from-exhibs-cinemacon-1201737814/

but now Avatar 2 will be released at Christmas 2018 with sequels following at Christmastime in 2020 and 2022 and 2023.

jacksie66

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Arghus

McLoughlin wrote: »

http://deadline.com/2016/04/james-cameron-gives-update-on-avatar-sequels-expanding-to-four-sequels-slams-screening-room-gets-cheers-from-exhibs-cinemacon-1201737814/

but now Avatar 2 will be released at Christmas 2018 with sequels following at Christmastime in 2020 and 2022 and 2023.

And nearly a year later, after that article was published, production still hasn't started...hmmm...

Seanachai

Arghus wrote: »

And nearly a year later, after that article was published, production still hasn't started...hmmm...

I know it has appeal, but I just don't like the Avatar story. Too new-agey and colourful.

Arghus

Seanachai wrote: »

I know it has appeal, but I just don't like the Avatar story. Too new-agey and colourful.

Oh I agree, it's baloney!

Sad Professor

Production on Avatar 2-5 is supposed to start in April, but Weaver suggested recently that’s unlikely. So add a year. That would put the first sequel up against Star Wars Episode 9 which Cameron won’t want. Add another year. 2020 is probably the best bet.

The films are probably going to be 90 percent CGI anyway, so if the first flops I guess they can bring in the guys who do The Expanse CGI to finish the rest on the cheap and send sequels 3-5 to Netflix as a 10 episode series.

Lorelli!

Seanachai wrote: »

I know it has appeal, but I just don't like the Avatar story. Too new-agey and colourful.

I did enjoy Avatar. It was different but Ive only watched it once and i thought it was just too long. I wouldn't be running to see it again and I wouldn't be too fussed on seeing a sequel either.

learn_more

jacksie66 wrote: »

Well I can't see how they could make a Terminator movie any worse than Genysis. That had to be one of the worst movies that I've ever seen..

I didn't expect much from Genysis and probably because I didn't expect much I though it's wasn't too bad. I liked Jason Clarke's role and performance. He's a good actor but I don't like Jai Courtney in anything which was a minus.

I though the previous movie with Sam Worthington was dire and I walked out of the cinema at the first appearance of the hipster little girl. Terminators I was after, not cute little girls.

Seanachai

learn_more wrote: »

I didn't expect much from Genysis and probably because I didn't expect much I though it's wasn't too bad. I liked Jason Clarke's role and performance. He's a good actor but I don't like Jai Courtney in anything which was a minus.

I though the previous movie with Sam Worthington was dire and I walked out of the cinema at the first appearance of the hipster little girl. Terminators I was after, not cute little girls.

Jai Courtney is awful, very bad casting

Sad Professor

Re: Avatar, Cameron has since said that the scripts are finished and they are ready to go, so it probably will meet the 2018 release date.

Frank Bullitt

I don't understand why you would want him back. Just watch T1 and T2 and you'll be grand.

Seanachai

Gintonious wrote: »

I don't understand why you would want him back. Just watch T1 and T2 and you'll be grand.

More story, need more story!

Lorelli!

Seanachai wrote: »

More story, need more story!

If they did the story justice, I'd be willing to erase and forget about all the other crap I've been tricked into watching!

briany

I've watched every entry in the Terminator franchise so far, including the TV series (which wasn't bad at all), but I still consider everything after T2 to be, essentially, high budget fan-fiction. Even if Cameron did come back to the series wouldn't make following entries in the series any more compelling. It would all feel as hollow because T2 was the natural end. In fact, the subsequent films cheapened the first two by overriding the premise that the future could be changed.

Lorelli!

briany wrote: »

I've watched every entry in the Terminator franchise so far, including the TV series (which wasn't bad at all), but I still consider everything after T2 to be, essentially, high budget fan-fiction. Even if Cameron did come back to the series wouldn't make following entries in the series any more compelling. It would all feel as hollow because T2 was the natural end. In fact, the subsequent films cheapened the first two by overriding the premise that the future could be changed.

Do you mean that the conclusion of T1 and T2 was that the future could not be changed or it could be changed?

I suppose the whole basis of T1 and T2 was that the terminator was sent back to change the future, to stop John Connor's existence but this actually leads to John Connor sending his own father back, not only to protect his mother but to ensure his own existence. They were only creating and fulfilling their roles in history and the future, not changing it.

Reece was meant to have a place in history and then in T2, we see that the remaining parts of the terminator in T1 were used and studied by Skynet.

In T2, they try to prevent Judgement Day altogether but this is not a conclusion or confirmed as successful because John Connor would not exist after Skynet is destroyed as the events that lead to Johns birth are based on him sending his own father back in time to create him. I'm thinking of Marty Mc Fly disappearing on stage in Back to the Future 2

It's a paradox

ps3lover

Let's hope the first step it dropping the PG-13 cert, they've tried it twice and it failed twice. Take a cut from Logan, don't pussy out and you'll make more $$$

pixelburp

ps3lover wrote: »

Let's hope the first step it dropping the PG-13 cert, they've tried it twice and it failed twice. Take a cut from Logan, don't pussy out and you'll make more $$$

First step is writing a script worth a damn, all the blood in the world won't make a sh*tty script better to watch, and hiring a more charismatic cast than Jai Courtney.

ps3lover

pixelburp wrote: »

First step is writing a script worth a damn, all the blood in the world won't make a sh*tty script better to watch, and hiring a more charismatic cast than Jai Courtney.

I dunno, I felt the original script for Salvation was pretty good until they ruined it to lower the rating.

Seanachai

pixelburp wrote: »

First step is writing a script worth a damn, all the blood in the world won't make a sh*tty script better to watch, and hiring a more charismatic cast than Jai Courtney.

He is an unmerciful clob, it looks like lazy casting, get the hunky fella and light him up well and feed him a few auld lines.

Arne_Saknussem

ps3lover wrote: »

I dunno, I felt the original script for Salvation was pretty good until they ruined it to lower the rating.

Did that involve the Terminator with the human heart bollocks?

ps3lover

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Did that involve the Terminator with the human heart bollocks?

No. In the originals script John Connor is killed and they decide to cover it up by having Marcus peel his face off and put it on himself and pretend to be John Connor.

Another issue was the hiring of Christian Bale, they wanted him as the Marcus character but Bale demanded to play John Connor. John Connor is barely in the original script so they had to crowbar him in.

pixelburp

ps3lover wrote: »

I dunno, I felt the original script for Salvation was pretty good until they ruined it to lower the rating.

Assuming the rest of the script remained roughly similar, that twist at the end - which, TBH is still pretty stupid regardless - wouldn't have redeemed an otherwise garbage script that made no sense & more resembled a Transformers film than Terminator.

Ratings aren't everything. Chasing some certificate is not a sure fire way of guaranteeing a hit & I'd rather a fantastic PG-13 film than some subpar R film that thinks gore is a universal pollyfilla for an 'adult' film.

Although let me backtrack - what I'd rather is the Terminator franchise taken out back and put down, cos seriously, we the audience need to stop making studios believe there's a market in dredging this corpse of a franchise for yet another humiliating venture.

ps3lover

pixelburp wrote: »

Assuming the rest of the script remained roughly similar, that twist at the end - which, TBH is still pretty stupid regardless - wouldn't have redeemed an otherwise garbage script that made no sense & more resembled a Transformers film than Terminator.

Ratings aren't everything. Chasing some certificate is not a sure fire way of guaranteeing a hit & I'd rather a fantastic PG-13 film than some subpar R film that thinks gore is a universal pollyfilla for an 'adult' film.

Although let me backtrack - what I'd rather is the Terminator franchise taken out back and put down, cos seriously, we the audience need to stop making studios believe there's a market in dredging this corpse of a franchise for yet another humiliating venture.

The original script is pretty different, they pretty much gutted it. It feels a lot more human, lots more time is spent with Marcus and Kyle, that relationship builds quite well and doesn't feel forced like it does in the movie. Also the future we're introduced to feels a lot more bleak and darker that what we saw on screen, it feels more like the future that was shown in the original movie. One of the stand out set pieces involves Marcus ripping apart some wolves with his bare hands, it's this sequence where he begins to wonder about himself, he's a lot stronger than he should be, something that isn't even touched upon in the movie. Hell, in the script, Skynet have no idea who Kyle is, removing one of the movies biggest plot holes.
I should note that the script isn't anything truly amazing and has quite a few problems of its own but it so much better than what made it to screen. It feels a lot more human with pretty well developed characters, the movie pretty much removed anything that made it interesting.

Ben Gadot

ps3lover wrote: »

No. In the originals script John Connor is killed and they decide to cover it up by having Marcus peel his face off and put it on himself and pretend to be John Connor.

Another issue was the hiring of Christian Bale, they wanted him as the Marcus character but Bale demanded to play John Connor. John Connor is barely in the original script so they had to crowbar him in.

Aye which would have been an awesome role ironically for Bale to play in a sequel, but I suppose Bale was still drunk on the success of TDK and wanted his moment in the here and now rather show some patience.

TheDoc

First two are easily some of my favourite films ever. Introduced me to Arnie, just so much closeness to these films, hence why everything after T2 has been painful.

Remember an interview some years back where he mentioned about him regaining rights and he had always retained ideas for a third film.

Big fan of Cameron too, so can only get excited about the prospect

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote:

Assuming the rest of the script remained roughly similar, that twist at the end - which, TBH is still pretty stupid regardless - wouldn't have redeemed an otherwise garbage script that made no sense & more resembled a Transformers film than Terminator.

The original script is pretty decent, it's
quite dark and adult in nature and has some interesting ideas. Bale ruined the film, hw demanded the John Connor role and then brought in Jonathan Nolan to rewrite the script and make him the star.

The original has Connor living in a bunker somewhere sending out bizzare radio transmissions while the film focused on Kyle and his sister.

Supposedly McG's reaction to the leaked Bale rant was so understated and bored sounding, simply because Bale was a nightmare to work with and kept making changes and having diva fits. It's a case of producers seeing a star and bending over every which way to make them happy.

Agent Coulson

Terminator 2 will be shown in 3D in cinemas on August 29th.


My local IMC are taking bookings now.

Goodshape

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Terminator 2 will be shown in 3D

Four Winds

Linda Hamilaton back too...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-set-return-terminator-franchise-1040948?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

pixelburp

Oh god, I can't be the only one who thinks is is a desperate, horse-flogging idea right? Ridley Scott is rightly getting pilloried for wallowing in faded glories after two questionable returns to the Alien franchise, why is Cameron getting more of a pass here? I wish the franchise would be allowed to die, I truly do.

Given the criticism he received over his somewhat arrogant & misplaced comments about Wonder Woman & female action leads in general, it can't be a coincidence that suddenly Linda Hamilton is involved with the production. I suspect Cameron might have missed the point of the criticism.

FunLover18

Surely if Cameron was in any way serious about this, he'd want to direct it himself. I know he's got 5 Avatar sequels to make but the fact he's attaching himself to this plus the comments he made about Genysis is a clear indicator that he doesn't care about this franchise anymore.

dreamers75

pixelburp wrote: »

Given the criticism he received over his somewhat arrogant & misplaced comments about Wonder Woman & female action leads in general, it can't be a coincidence that suddenly Linda Hamilton is involved with the production. I suspect Cameron might have missed the point of the criticism.

Tbh he wasnt wrong just "the internet" needed something to be upset about that day.

And he does have a bit of history of showing women as central characters without being "sexy" but being strong and determined etc.

But his point was completely missed by the internet.

Dr Brown

The fact that T6 is going to be a sequel to T2 tells us what Cameron really thought about Terminator Genisys.

JP Liz V1

Four Winds wrote: »

Linda Hamilaton back too...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-set-return-terminator-franchise-1040948?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

She must be back on good terms with ex James