Man With 483 Convictions Gets 18 Months for a Killing a Teenager

Bridge93

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/driver-with-483-convictions-gets-18-months-for-killing-teenager-1.2952680

This really is mind blowing. I've always been a defender of the court system but this really is inexcusable. Disgusting how he gets away with this when everything is taken into account.

Zaph

I would fully expect the DPP to appeal the leniency of that sentence. And if they don't you'd wonder why the hell not.

rawn

I just saw that on FB, driver crashes and kills a LC student, he had something like 480 previous convictions, no license, no tax, no insurance, was drunk and speeding. 18 months + 3 months. Judge Martin Nolan strikes again.

skankkuvhima

Nolan is a ****ing disgrace, worst judge the state has ever seen. What can we do, shag all.

SEPT 23 1989

If he did that to my boy he would be dead

skankkuvhima

The judiciary are the only class of untouchables in this country. Every other profession and walk of life is accountable for their decisions. Sickening

The sooner we learn not to doff our caps to them the better for everyone

Mr. FoggPatches

What was he charged with?
What are the maximum sentences for each charge?

punisher5112

Wow just wow no words.

If I were the family I would be even more upset now.

What a scum bag he really needs to be dealt with.

How can a sh1t bag like that get up to near 500 convictions please tell me that's a record.

skankkuvhima

Mr. FoggPatches wrote: »

What was he charged with?
What are the maximum sentences for each charge?

Didn't take long for your ilk to show up.

antodeco

He fled the country as well! Ridiculous!!

enricoh

Any way to get a judge demoted or sacked? I seriously hope so

Stravos Murphy

Awful thing to say but what would judge Martin Nolan do in a similar position if he was that in the same position as that family?

darkpagandeath

Hang on ... Hang on.... 483 previous convictions ?????

punisher5112

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hang on ... Hang on.... 483 previous convictions ?????

Yes 50 burglary they caught him for and mainly motoring again which he was caught for imagine all the others he was never caught for.

SEPT 23 1989

Stravos Murphy wrote: »

Awful thing to say but what would judge Martin Nolan do in a similar position if he was that in the same position as that family?

The full weight of the law would come down on the scumbag maximum sentence or more

The dead kid was outside the tent no powerful friends and gets no justice

degsie

Makes my blood boil!

GhostyMcGhost

punisher5112 wrote: »

Wow just wow no words.

If I were the family I would be even more upset now.

What a scum bag he really needs to be dealt with.

How can a sh1t bag like that get up to near 500 convictions please tell me that's a record.

Lets very generously estimate 1 conviction at €2k

You're talking at least €1m we've paid to let that fecker have his 500 days in court

Plus 500 convictions are only the ones he A) got caught for and were worthy enough of the DPP to prosecute

I'm sorry but sometimes you have to admit some people are beyond redemption. After the 400th time, had this garbage have been in solitary in the joy, maybe we would not be reading about such a tragedy for the victims family

Mr. FoggPatches

skankkuvhima wrote: »

Didn't take long for your ilk to show up.

What is my ilk?

boardsuser1

500 convictions :eek:

That must be a record in this country.

I really do hope the DPP appeals that sentence :mad:

Samuel T. Cogley

There is absolutely no point in engaging in the usual whataboutery and trying to impeach the entire legal system or all judges. It does absolutely no one any good what so ever and make you look like a complete idiot and worse, it detracts from sensible people saying this is completely wrong, on it's own merits and we need legislation brought in dealing with stiffer penalties for death by dangerous driving. It's currently happening in the UK and should be happening here.

There is no way 18 months is a just sentence in this case, simply no justification for it whatsoever. I hate to say this but I completely agree with the poster above, this would make me take the law into my own hands as well.

punisher5112

Wish the thread title gave a bit more this is something which should be plastered all over the news and radio. But no trump and other sh1t from out of our small island is more important.

Birneybau

A month for every year of that poor kid's life

punisher5112

18 months doesn't even mean 18 probably do less then 12.

I am actually very annoyed.

DontThankMe

Hahah a guy that avoids some tax gets a 6 year sentence but a guy that kills an 18 year old while drunk driving with nearly 500 convictions gets 18 months!!!! What a great justice system we have.

riffmongous

Why don't people in Ireland actually try do something about this? Why don't people go protest? These sort of decisions seem to be daily at this point and other than internet outrage there doesn't seem to be anything done to try change it

CiarraiAbu2

I wonder if he was in the states would he still be around after 500.

Samuel T. Cogley

DontThankMe wrote: »

Hahah a guy that avoids some tax gets a 6 year sentence but a guy that kills an 18 year old while drunk driving with nearly 500 convictions gets 18 months!!!! What a great justice system we have.

If the ****er in this case had been locked up for avoiding his tax on his car or any of the other myriad of driving offences we might not be having this discussion.

Fart

The head on him.

punisher5112

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

I wonder if he was in the states would he still be around after 500.

3 strike rule would have him out of the pool many many moons ago.

thebaz

skankkuvhima wrote: »

The judiciary are the only class of untouchables in this country. Every other profession and walk of life is accountable for their decisions. Sickening

The sooner we learn not to doff our caps to them the better for everyone

The judiciary really are a law onto themselves - not all, but far too many are sheltered from normal daily Irish life , pampered up in the law library , with little real daily life experience , as seen from there palatial Dublin4 and 6 mansions.

Mr. FoggPatches

punisher5112 wrote: »

3 strike rule would have him out of the pool many many moons ago.

Depends on the state.

Samuel T. Cogley

thebaz wrote: »

The judiciary really are a law onto themselves - not all, but far too many are sheltered from normal daily Irish life , pampered up in the law library , with little real daily life experience , as seen from there palatial Dublin4 and 6 mansions.

I'm sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Summer wind

The poor family. It must be an awful kick in the guts for them to hear this sentence. This is absolutely crazy what in the name of God is going on in our country. This judge should be disbarred.

thebaz

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

I'm sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

sorry to burst your self righteous bubble - have I touched a ****ing nerve or something

Mr. FoggPatches

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

I'm sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I dunno, sounds legit to me. All the judiciary live beside each other in Dublin and drink lattes in the law library all day long. They hate people too. Especially the common people.

wakka12

483? Thats ludicrous, I wonder when his first conviction was? Im guessing he's in about his mid fourties and started committing crimes since his teenage years. thats means he's been convicted of a crime approximately once every month since he was about 18, and probably more he wasnt even convicted for

vicwatson

483 previous? Get Trump in, Quickly

vicwatson

Surely the record?

thebaz

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

I'm sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I said most - not ALL

wakka12

But as with many of these things, nobody cares about the problem until somebody ends up dead. And its just as pathetic every time it happens

Phoebas

I'm foaming at the mouth here. Can I join in?

Samuel T. Cogley

thebaz wrote: »

sorry to burst your self righteous bubble - have I touched a ****ing nerve or something

No you're just talking absolute rubbish.

Mr. FoggPatches wrote: »

I dunno, sounds legit to me. All the judiciary live beside each other in Dublin and drink lattes in the law library all day long. They hate people too. Especially the common people.

Can't work out whether you're being sarcastic or not but as a general point, pop along and interact with some of these people. The law library has split to a certain extent because of the CCJ - you'll be amazed the backgrounds and ideological leanings on barristers - albeit a predominantly white middle class profession.

thebaz

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

No you're just talking absolute rubbish.

I said most , not all --- less of your condensccending attitude

T-Maxx

Anybody with 483 convictions should have been put down long before.

Samuel T. Cogley

thebaz wrote: »

I said most , not all --- less of your condensccending attitude

It's not a condescending attitude. A lad has been killed, the punishment, if the situation was not so tragic, is laughably inadequate and idiot posts like yours are whipping people up, not to get the legislation changed, not to perhaps review one judge's record, not to help the situation but to advance the chip on your shoulder.

I'm calling you out for talking about something you've absolutely no idea about. Go down to the CCJ, get on the law library site and email a few JC's who deal with criminal law and ask them if you can shadow them and see how the system works. What you're going to find is everyone from Ex-bus drivers to the 'landed gentry' and everyone inbetween.

Boardz Fiend

Folks, whilst i'm not her biggest fan... Lucinda Creighton and Renua Party ran in the 2016 General Election with a campaign promise to bring a 3 strikes rule, which would have rid the country of scum like this.... but nobody voted for her! I'm sorry to say, but you missed your chance to reform the law for repeat offenders.

thebaz

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

It's not a condescending attitude. A lad has been killed, the punishment, if the situation was not so tragic, is laughably inadequate and idiot posts like yours are whipping people up,

keep throwing out the idiot put-downs - good luck and goodbye

punisher5112

She wouldn't be strong enough too many make a good living off of the free legal aid system.

The Rape of Lucretia

T-Maxx wrote: »

Anybody with 483 convictions should have been put down long before.

Its pushing it a bit all right. 400 seems like a reasonable number that would be fair to all, yet not let people get away with too much. I think a general "400 strikes and you're out" policy would be great for this country, but there will be probably be some who would feel that is just too harsh and doesnt give people a proper chance to mend their ways.

J Mysterio

This is the most shamefull thing I have seen in a long time. Our justice system is a damn disgrace.

WinnyThePoo

How does someone with that many convictions even be walking the streets or in this case driving.