Need advice ASAP

fitzypatrick11

Basically myself and 6 of my friends are renting a house in Carlow. One of our friends dropped out so the landlord found a new guy to move in.

We were on holiday at the weekend and when we came back on Monday we met the new housemate who is <mod snip> and doesn't speak great english.

He is 21 and doesn't go to college so from the start he didn't fit in with any of us who are 18/19. He told us he came from a hostel and he has ADHD and also can't sleep at night.

The lad is fairly intimidating and one of the first things he said to me was "your room is fairly messy". None of his business. He then started ordering us to keep the house tidy. We had pre drinks here two nights ago and he also commented on how noisy we were. Thats fair enough but hes here less than a week and he is already barking orders at us.

The real trouble started yesterday when he brought his <mod snip> cousin back (who looks in his early 30's). He said could his cousin stay for a few days as he had nowhere else to go. As there are 3 girls living here they were fairly nervous.

A knock came to the door and it was another <mod snip> guy who didnt seem happy and told me to call our new housemate to the door. Our new housemate didnt seem happy and was surprised he was here.

This annoyed us as now random people we dont know, know where we live. We rang our landlord he told the new tenant not to have people staying so he came back to the house and they both started shouting "****ing kids ratting on me!".

Then one of the lads followed him up to the room and asked why he was shouting and our housemate said "my cousin is only out of prison and has nowhere to go" and thats when everyone lost the plot.

We again rang our landlord and told him and at this stage he was pissed off that we kept ringing him. Eventually about 1am we noticed a car kept driving up the estate and would stop outside our house. At this stage everyone was scared and it happened 3 or 4 times.

We rang our landlord again this morning and told him we want him gone. He said "well do you want to leave?", implying he'd quicker have us gone than him. The landlord then told us he would talk to "a woman who recommended him" and see after that. He then said he would hire private secuirty to watch the house at night.

I think its crazy that he is willing to do that and to potentially lose 6 tenants who've gave him no trouble the whole year. Theres defo something else going on. We all stayed in the one room last nught and locked the door. Its crazy!

Can anyone tell me what our rights are and what we can do? The landlord is so set on keeping the <mod snip> lad here and doesnt give a **** about us

fitzypatrick11

By the way I have nothing against anyone with ADHD, or who came from a hostel. I just think our landlord should have told us first

pilly

How long are you there?

fitzypatrick11

Here since August, we're all first years

pilly

fitzypatrick11 wrote: »

Here since August, we're all first years

Okay so you haven't got part IV rights yet so you're a little bit on think ice.

Do you think though that you were against this fella from the start. You state in the original post that he didn't fit in with you because he's not a student and he's 21. Little bit unfair?

If you're going to house-share you have to get used to living with different types of people.

My suggestion would be to try a bit harder to get on with him. I think you're being a little over sensitive. It's not like he's wrecked the house. Okay, having his cousin to stay is not on but if the LL has told him he can't do that is that not enough?

fitzypatrick11

I don't think I was being sensitive to be honest. Him bringing his cousin who literally was released from prison yesterday into a house with 6 teenagers and refusing to tell us why he was in prison is not ok. Random 40 year old men calling to our house and shouting at the new housemate also isn't on. None of us are sensitive people but he is really taking the piss

pilly

fitzypatrick11 wrote: »

I don't think I was being sensitive to be honest. Him bringing his cousin who literally was released from prison yesterday into a house with 6 teenagers and refusing to tell us why he was in prison is not ok. Random 40 year old men calling to our house and shouting at the new housemate also isn't on. None of us are sensitive people but he is really taking the piss

Okay, if you say so. I'm only trying to give you some advice. If you don't want to take it fine. But if I was the LL I'd be pissed off at you ringing too.

You call yourself teenagers as if your kids, you're not, you're living in the real world now where sometimes you have to deal with people you don't like.

Gatling

fitzypatrick11 wrote: »

I don't think I was being sensitive to be honest. Him bringing his cousin who literally was released from prison yesterday into a house with 6 teenagers and refusing to tell us why he was in prison is not ok.

Nobody is under any obligation to tell you anything unfortunately doesn't matter if someone has a medical condition or learning disability or other personal information ,
This is the joys of a house share people clash over messes and untidy spaces ,you said your messy room is none of his business what's makes you think his or his friends personal information is your business then

Lackey

I think people are being a bit harsh on the op, but I see why too.
This isn't a case of being incompatible or leaving the toilet seat up he's moved his cousin in who is just out of prison.
Weird aggressive people are calling to the door
What is your lease like?
Any chance of leaving early and getting your deposit back?
Next time try take a house as a group not seperate, where the landlord can't move people in themselves.

Mrs OBumble

Is there a welfare or student office in your college? Go and see them and tell your story and see what they suggest.

It sounds like you might need to find somewhere new to live quickly.

These places where the LL chooses new housemates are a nightmare.

You all spent the night in one bedroom?
Seriously? I think you are being a bit OTT!
He brought a cousin to stay, another guy called and had a bit of a row with him? That's all? I don't see the need for hysterics & I can understand why your landlord would rather lose ye than him. Also, why the obsession with age? I'm guessing you want to be treated as an adult, you should probably try being a bit more adult about things.
Did ye have anyone yourselves to fill the empty bedroom? Did you offer to get someone in yourselves?
This guy will probably get sick of living with teenagers soon enough & leave. But even if he doesn't, are ye finished college in may? It's only a few months.
Just keep your own bedrooms locked.

athtrasna

Mod note

OP I've added paragraphs to your post as it was very difficult to read. I've also removed references to your housemate's nationality as it is irrelevant to the heart of the problem and may lead to stereotyping.

Ms Doubtfire1

you don't have part4 rights yet - but neither has the landlord. Give notice and leave.

Lackey

bubblypop wrote: »

I can understand why your landlord would rather lose ye than him.

Let's hope landlord feels the same then the college students get their deposit back
New tenant gets to move in as many ex prison inmate cousins as he likes without asking permission from the landlord, which I'm sure landlord will also be delighted about.
And people can arrive at the house shouting at the tenant any time they want.
Win Win all round I would say.

OP hope you get sorted and remember this in Sept no house shares like this, get a group together and rent yourselves.

Carlos Orange

Lackey wrote: »

I think people are being a bit harsh on the op, but I see why too.
This isn't a case of being incompatible or leaving the toilet seat up he's moved his cousin in who is just out of prison.

He asked could his cousin stay for a few days and they (presumably) said yes.I have said yes to similar requests and regretted it but at the end of the day that is it as long as he abides by whatever terms were agreed.

Best advice, if someone leaves you should find the replacement yourself , if you talk to your landlord about someone you live with they will in all likelihood not be pleased about it. As to what to do now I don't know.

Avatar MIA

Severe empathy deficit in this thread.

No practical advice, OP - I don't think you are over reacting.

Good luck.

Ghekko

I imagine a 'few days' would turn into something more permanent. The new tenant is only there a bloody week and already causing hassle bringing his dodgy cousin and who knows what other kind of fellas to the house. If there is any chance of ye getting other accommodation quickly I'd be gone. Leave the randomers for the LL to deal with.

punisher5112

Op follow up all reports with a text to LL and email and if they are not possible then a letter.

Keep a record of all issues.

Contact the Gardai for any illegal or criminal matters.

I would suggest the 6 of you look elsewhere and make sure its not LL placement of tenants.

If it were me I would make it known the other one staying isn't on and get the rest together to put this across.

Also I would make things extremely difficult for this guy if he is as bad as you say.

Who pays bills and how does the amount come about. I ask because if he is always there then bills will be higher.
Is the property registered with RTB and revenue.
Worth noting if they aren't as a card to play against ll.

Boardz Fiend

I sympathise with the OP here, I wouldnt tolerate this either! OP your Landlord is an asshole. Your new housemate sounds dodgy. Give notice and get out if you can. I suspect when you threaten to leave then your LL might change his tune... he would be stupid to let go of you students in favour of <snip> sourced from hostels

fitzypatrick11

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

I sympathise with the OP here, I wouldnt tolerate this either! OP your Landlord is an asshole. Your new housemate sounds dodgy. Give notice and get out if you can. I suspect when you threaten to leave then your LL might change his tune... he would be stupid to let go of you students in favour of <snip> sourced from hostels

Thanks everyone for the replies!

So basically when we got this house there was exactly enough space to fit us all. We all moved here from the one town and the one school so we basically got a house together as people have been advising me.

The problem is, one of our housemates dropped out right after Xmas and that's why we have a new housemate

I agree I probably didn't give him a chance at the start in my own head, but we were all more than nice to him and it was only when we discovered the cousin had been in jail that we got annoyed

Of course I don't mind anyone being in jail and being released but to literally walk out of prison and straight to our house is a bit cheeky. And then refusing to tell us why he was in prison. I don't think that's over the top

We never had trouble at this house and last night the same car drove by 4 times and each time stopped outside our house and looked in.. I'm sorry but that's creepy and I would be very surprised if it was just a coincidence

Also the LL has gotten back to us and claimed he would hire a private security firm to "watch the house 3/4 times a night" and that our housemate has assured him he won't bring anyone back.

The problem there is our landlord wouldn't fix our taps upstaires (which don't work at all) and wouldn't even have the house half clean before we moved down (rat droppings in 2 kitchen drawers) so that's they kinda fella were dealing with

What baffles me is why he is going to all these rounds to keep this guy when all 6 of us have told him we aren't comfortable with him , and willing to hire security , instead of just letting him go. Also the LL keeps referring to a "woman who recommended him" and asking us to write a list of complaints so we can give it to him and him to her. He's a private landlord so why does he need to consult someone from the hostel? My feeling is he's being paid a lot more to house this guy

Also can I just say I'm not trying to be offensive or OTT or anything. We're all only first years and living away from home in a town and estate where you know no one else is a little bit intimidating when stuff like this happens and when our LL is useless

Browney7

Do you each have an agreement with the landlord or are ye all named on a lease or what? Tell the new guy he has to go and cover his rent between ye until you get someone else in? I'm puzzled as to why the landlord got someone when it was your friend that dropped out?

Rum Ham!

Is the property specifically student accommodation? If so as far as I know it should be rented out only to students.

If there was any other accommodation available I would consider moving if the LL wasn't open to a resolution.

If he has caused this much hassle in a short time I could only imagine what hardship might be yet to come.

TresGats

Sounds like the LL is getting his pockets lined somehow by housing this lad. Be it some arrangement he has with a relative/ or the HSE.
Supported housing would suit him better atm as he is still young and may be lacking in life skills.
I would not like my teenage daughter living in a house where middle-aged ex-cons are sleeping in the same house. That's the bottom line, I don't know why other posters are being hard on the OP.
As for advice- college accom. officer, threshold for advice , & keep an eye out for properties to suit the 5 of you. Good luck.

MrBlack93

TresGats wrote:

Sounds like the LL is getting his pockets lined somehow by housing this lad. Be it some arrangement he has with a relative/ or the HSE. Supported housing would suit him better atm as he is still young and may be lacking in life skills. I would not like my teenage daughter living in a house where middle-aged ex-cons are sleeping in the same house. That's the bottom line, I don't know why other posters are being hard on the OP. As for advice- college accom. officer, threshold for advice , & keep an eye out for properties to suit the 5 of you. Good luck.

This is spot on

MrBlack93

I sympathise with the OP. My advice is contact the gardai in relation to the car sitting outside the house. Take details of registration etc.
That's not acceptable in a student house, ex-con who won't tell you what they were imprisoned for means you have to assume the worst and take precautions with regards to your property and well being.

Seek a new housing arrangement ASAP.


PS your landlord is most assuredly has some financial incentive to keep this chap

Scraggs

fitzypatrick11 wrote: »

We never had trouble at this house and last night the same car drove by 4 times and each time stopped outside our house and looked in.. I'm sorry but that's creepy and I would be very surprised if it was just a coincidence

Also the LL has gotten back to us and claimed he would hire a private security firm to "watch the house 3/4 times a night" and that our housemate has assured him he won't bring anyone back.

So landlord says he would get security to drive by 3/4 times a night and then a car drives by 4 times and looks in. If it's the landlord I'm thinking of this would be a very likely scenario.

If it puts your mind at ease ask the landlord to get rid of the new tenant and the 5 of you make up the shortfall in the rent until you find someone to your pleasing. Are you renting rooms individually from landlord or is it one lease?

Can I say also that the 5 of you sleeping in one room with the door locked out of fear sounds a bit pathetic? If you were that afraid why not ring the guards?

Ghekko

I agree that if it were my daughter or son I'd be looking to move them out asap. We have to remember that even though the students are adults, they are very young adults most likely away from home for the first time and now are left intimidated in their home. It's not on. The notion of the LL organising security would ring alarm bells for me. Why on earth would anyone put themselves in a situation where they have to do that? Op You have voiced your concerns to the LL. He is strangely looking to pass these on to some random woman. Again, I'd be gone asap!

bmwguy

Give him ultimatum, and move out of he insists on keeping new tenant.

Assuming there is somewhere to move to in the area.

Not worth it to stay, you'll be glad you moved

newacc2015

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you don't have part4 rights yet - but neither has the landlord. Give notice and leave.

The 6 month rule is basically gone for part IV. You can no longer evict a tenant for no reason within 6 months. It has to be a solid reason like not paying rent, anti-social behaviour etc. It was one of those new changes slipped in recently.

But you are right, I think OP should just go. A landlord who takes no consideration of the existing tenants, when moving in someone like that is very inconsiderate. Like I can see why landlords do it, but only when they are properly vetting the tenants to protect the house. Not in the case OP finds himself

I would not bother with the housing officer in college. Most dont know their arse from their elbow. I know one in a certain university who gives references. I kid you not the references are pre-printed sheet in which he writes the student's name in biro and say they are academic, hard working and kind etc. Yet he met them 5 mins ago

handlemaster

OP just leave. Not worth the hassle

Scraggs

OP I would try sort this out with your landlord before giving notice like others have advised.
As I'm sure you're well aware there is a huge shortage of accommodation in Carlow town and the 5 of you (if looking for a place together) will be competing against families and professionals who are looking for longer term than until the end of the semester.

the_syco

fitzypatrick11 wrote: »

The problem there is our landlord wouldn't fix our taps upstaires (which don't work at all) and wouldn't even have the house half clean before we moved down (rat droppings in 2 kitchen drawers) so that's they kinda fella were dealing with

You're first years. You will only get sh|tholes, as the LL's expect you to wreck the place. What estate are you in? Thought it may have been the place (looks less of a sh|thole in the photo since I was last in Carlow!) next to the lights down the road from the college, but that's only one story.

Scraggs wrote: »

OP I would try sort this out with your landlord before giving notice like others have advised.
As I'm sure you're well aware there is a huge shortage of accommodation in Carlow town and the 5 of you (if looking for a place together) will be competing against families and professionals who are looking for longer term than until the end of the semester.

From your username I'm guessing you're a local, so I assume that most of the houses that the 1st years get wouldn't be touched by families or professionals, as they're most often dives that the LL doesn't put much money into as they'll often get wrecked.

newacc2015

newacc2015 wrote: »

The 6 month rule is basically gone for part IV. You can no longer evict a tenant for no reason within 6 months. It has to be a solid reason like not paying rent, anti-social behaviour etc. It was one of those new changes slipped in recently.

Part 4 doesn't start until 6 months into a tenancy so has no impact on the right of a LL to evict for any reason in this time period.

newacc2015

Dakota Calm Ruler wrote: »

Part 4 doesn't start until 6 months into a tenancy so has no impact on the right of a LL to evict for any reason in this time period.

It is gone though. Tenants basically get part IV from day one now(maybe it is only new tenancies). But you can no longer evict a tenant within the first 6 months for no reason

newacc2015

newacc2015 wrote: »

It is gone though. Tenants basically get part IV from day one now(maybe it is only new tenancies). But you can no longer evict a tenant within the first 6 months for no reason

That cannot be true. Have you a link that outlines this? The new legislation removed (accidentally) the right to end a part IV tenancy for one of the valid reasons, I thought? But that's after the first 6 months.

cronos

Give notice and leave asap

beauf

I would leave. It doesn't sound this will improve.

It's also possible the new tenant and/or the LL are trying to get rid of you deliberately.

LynnGrace

TresGats wrote: »

Sounds like the LL is getting his pockets lined somehow by housing this lad. Be it some arrangement he has with a relative/ or the HSE.
Supported housing would suit him better atm as he is still young and may be lacking in life skills.
I would not like my teenage daughter living in a house where middle-aged ex-cons are sleeping in the same house. That's the bottom line, I don't know why other posters are being hard on the OP.
As for advice- college accom. officer, threshold for advice , & keep an eye out for properties to suit the 5 of you. Good luck.

That was my exact thought - I would not want any of my young relatives in this situation.
Best of luck OP, do seek advice from the college.

beauf

I think the OP concerns are entirely justified. They may have slightly over reacted. But I think they right to be concerned.

Kur4mA

There are worse things in life to be getting stressed about... most of them situations that you will have no control over. You have control over this situation. Honestly, from someone who has been in situations similar to this one I would advise you to just get looking for new accommodation and GTFO out of there as soon as you can.

It'll be worth it just for the weight off your shoulders believe me.

inforfun

Op, you get along with the other students?
If so..... try to find another place with the 6 of you.

Not worth the hassle this.

newacc2015

newacc2015 wrote: »

It is gone though. Tenants basically get part IV from day one now(maybe it is only new tenancies). But you can no longer evict a tenant within the first 6 months for no reason

They don't, hence the the increase in the number of apartments being advertised having availability of less than 6 months.

Part 4 only starts after 6 months, a tenancy can be ended for any reason before part 4 starts that's a fact.

When you can be asked to leave
Tenancies that are governed by Part 4 of the 2004 Act and that started on or before 24 December 2016 run in 4-year cycles. Tenancies that started after 24 December 2016 run in 6-year cycles.

During the first 6 months of a tenancy, the landlord can ask you to leave without giving a reason (unless you have a fixed-term tenancy) but must serve a valid written notice of termination, allowing a minimum 28-day notice period. Only 7 days’ notice is required in the first 6 months if your behaviour is seriously anti-social or threatens the fabric of the property.

amcalester

Ask the landlord to get rid of the new tenant as it isn't working out, then divide out the total rent by 6 instead of 7.

Will be a bit more expensive but worth it.

As for how the landlord deals with removing the new tenant that's a different story.

fitzypatrick11

This thread randomly popped into my head so I logged into my boards account to have a read.

I’m laughing to myself reading the comments that I was over reacting - the guy ended up robbing us all at the end of the year - he stole a PlayStation, Nikon camera and €400 we had on the table for bills 🤣 always trust your gut!

flanna01

Surely the six of ye are able to look out for each other .....?

Six of you - One of him (plus 1 crimbo) = No sweat!

It's not ideal, and it's probably uncomfortable for you all..... What great preparation for the big cruel world outside that awaits you...

Chill out buddy... Im guessing there will be none of the brotherhood left on their own with Roger the Lodger anytime soon? So as long as there is a bunch of you in house together, what's the problem? (safety in numbers and all that)

First time away from home, the buddies all living it up, free from the Parental shackles of conformity and obedience (sweet!)

Then you get landed with a potential mass murderer / criminal racketeer... (Un-sweet)

Log anything that you feel is anti-social - Call a house meeting, and air your concerns.

Caranica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120533752#Comment_120533752

It's a 6 year old thread. Try reading the last post and not the first!

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120533679#Comment_120533679

If you don't have a few mad stories about dingy college house shares then you weren't doing it properly

Caranica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120533814#Comment_120533814

6 😉

_Kaiser_

Old thread maybe but some of the responses here are shocking and another indication of the LL/owner bias on this forum.

The OP's LL moves in a dodgy tenant without even having the courtesy to inform his existing tenants (who let's not forget are paying for the privilege of clearing his mortgage for him) and when said tenant starts to bring in ex criminals and other dodgy characters, it's the OP and his housemates that are in the wrong and the LL is right to be annoyed at the calls?? God forbid that he be held accountable!

There were 2 at fault here.. the new tenant and their LL, not the OP and his housemates who were left to deal with this crap.

fitzypatrick11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120534240#Comment_120534240

Spot on. I’m 25 now was only 19 or so at the time and it was a mad situation to be in. As I said we were right in the end, your man ended up stealing from us!

Thargor

Yeah a real asshole vibe off most of the replies, kind of shocking actually.