anyone else fed up hearing about abortion already

the_pen_turner

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

Phoebas

Yeah. I'm sick of it too.
Might start a thread about it.



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ben.schlomo

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

Because that would be the sensible thing to do but the public and politicians are largely doltish.

ben.schlomo

Phoebas wrote: »

Yeah. I'm sick of it too.
Might start a thread about it.



????

No dont, this is one, keep up!!!!

Arghus

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

We'll have months and months of "facts" before the week of facts.

frag420

Free dental and abortions for all I say!!

donkeykong5

Panti bliss jumping on band wagon about it as well. ???

Noveight

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Panti bliss jumping on band wagon about it as well. ???

But of course.

RayM

I'm sure it won't be long before I'm fed up hearing from the extreme wing of the Catholic Church, pretending that they care about children.

speckled_park

frag420 wrote: »

Free dental and abortions for all I say!!

Lisa needs braces

donkeykong5

RayM wrote: »

I'm sure it won't be long before I'm fed up hearing from the extreme wing of the Catholic Church, pretending that they care about children.

It won't be long before I'm fed up hearing from all pc brigades and other associations who have no interest in even having children. But omg their opinions matter. !

_Jamie_

donkeykong5 wrote: »

It won't be long before I'm fed up hearing from all pc brigades and other associations who have no interest in even having children. But omg their opinions matter. !

How many pc brigades are there?

mzungu

_Jamie_ wrote: »

How many pc brigades are there?

The only one that truly matters is the fire brigade. Those PC brigade folks wouldn't put out a fire in a fit.

donkeykong5

_Jamie_ wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

It won't be long before I'm fed up hearing from all pc brigades and other associations who have no interest in even having children. But omg their opinions matter. !

How many pc brigades are there?

New ones evolving daily. Too many !

MadYaker

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

You're so sick of hearing about it that you went on to boards and started a thread about it, excellent.

RobertKK

The mods could just abort this thread by closing it, and we will hear less about abortion.

Grayson

donkeykong5 wrote: »

New ones evolving daily. Too many !

They live in pc world.

midnight city

This group meeting to discuss abortion will come to nothing.

TheBully

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Shooter McGavin blew a 4 stroke lead to give Happy Gilmore the championship.

Ted111

So you want to terminate the debate, hey?
Ha Ha Ha Ha............sorry.

DontThankMe

Can we include a debate about legalizing weed too? Kill 2 unborn children with the one stone.

Supergurrier

speckled_park wrote: »

Lisa needs braces

Dental Plan !

Robsweezie

lighten the mood?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MKSqUTr-A

oneilla

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

A total waste of time!? If you're pregnant you de facto become a ward of the state because you cannot make your own decisions regarding what goes on in your own body. Hardly a waste of time unless you want to permit a regime of forced labour.

Wrt people "unlikely to change opinions": the whole point of politics is to win arguments and change people's opinions ie. over to your side.

The facts are well known: abortions in places where abortion is available are overwhelmingly performed early on and often where someone has already had children. Also, laws do not and have not prevented abortions as people travel or procure medical abortions ie. abortifacients through unofficial channels.

A referendum on the 8th amendment is long overdue.

david75

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im sick of hearing about it and it hasnt even started yet.
its a total waste of time . the subject is so strong that people have their opinions on it and are very unlikely to change them.

why cant we just have one week of facts and then a referendum.

We wouldn't have to be bored about it if we just let women make their own choices. It's none of anybody's business what a woman does with her body. It's nobody's business whatsoever except her own.

Arghus

Oh no. The unthinkable has happened: This has become a debate about abortion.

Fleawuss

TheBully wrote: »

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Shooter McGavin blew a 4 stroke lead to give Happy Gilmore the championship.

I refuse to accept that people are called shooter and happy. Are they fairytale dwarves?

StupidLikeAFox

Look we are doing what any sensible country would do. We had a long running subtle campaign through the media. Then we had a general election to elect representatives to sort out these kind of issues. They have compiled a citizens assembly to discuss the issues and make a recomendation on whether the law should be changed. Then the politicians will go back and decide if they can make the change via legislation or whether we need a referendum. Then the people may or may not have their say.

It's a perfectly straightforward approach.

Ulysses Gaze

Let's just have the ****ing referendum and be done with it.

But if it doesn't pass, can the Repeal crowd then just STFU?

The_Valeyard

TheBully wrote: »

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Shooter McGavin blew a 4 stroke lead to give Happy Gilmore the championship.

*jackass*

jameorahiely

Murder and coffee
#twobreakfastitems

Parchment

People want to dance around this topic rather than just have a referendum on it.

the_pen_turner

david75 wrote: »

We wouldn't have to be bored about it if we just let women make their own choices. It's none of anybody's business what a woman does with her body. It's nobody's business whatsoever except her own.

You have your mind made up. So do I.
Will months the of debates and fighting change your opinion. I doubt it.

https://np.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/5m4lx9/i_an_atheist_just_erupted_at_my_verychristian/

gctest50

Canadian judge sorted the anti-choice filth who just love putting up the graphic posters

We need this here

http://fus.in/2isskZK

A Canadian judge says an anti-abortion group cannot put their ads up on public buses in the city of Grande Prairie, Alberta because they might cause “psychological harm to women who have had an abortion.” The offending ad contains pictures of fetuses and reads, “Abortion kills children. End the killing.”

jameorahiely

gctest50 wrote: »

Canadian judge sorted the anti-choice filth who just love putting up the graphic posters

We need this here

Why would a picture of a clump of cells upset the pro abortionists? Does the truth upset them?

Parchment

jameorahiely wrote: »

Why would a picture of a clump of cells upset the pro abortionists? Does the truth upset them?

Its obvious what side you are gunning for. I would just like to point out that nobody is pro-abortion. People are pro-choice.

infogiver

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Let's just have the ****ing referendum and be done with it.

But if it doesn't pass, can the Repeal crowd then just STFU?

doubt it Ulysses, that's just you trying to enforce your evil patriarchy.
Ive been triggered by your STFU now and I have to retreat to my safe space.
I wish you good day.

gctest50

jameorahiely wrote: »

Why would a picture of a clump of cells upset the pro abortionists? Does the truth upset them?

Women need to be able to go out in public without being confronted and criticised for the choices they make about their reproductive health

infogiver

Parchment wrote: »

Its obvious what side you are gunning for. I would just like to point out that nobody is pro-abortion. People are pro-choice.

if you want abortion to be legal then you are pro abortion.
I cant understand why you object to this expression, can you explain your objection?

jameorahiely

Parchment wrote: »

Its obvious what side you are gunning for. I would just like to point out that nobody is pro-abortion. People are pro-choice.

Pro murder

infogiver

gctest50 wrote: »

Women need to be able to go out in public without being confronted and criticised for the choices they make about their reproductive health

But if you were satisfied when you arranged and had the abortion that all you did was remove a clump of cells then why would a picture of a clump of cells bother you?
If I had a tooth pulled and left the dentists and saw toothpaste ads showing rows of gleaming teeth, I wouldn't feel bad about my tooth?

SEPT 23 1989

no need to debate just let the people decide

gctest50

infogiver wrote: »

But if you were ..................

There are children on buses and out on the street with their parents

The anti-choice filth with the posters don't care about that though

infogiver

gctest50 wrote: »

Canadian judge sorted the anti-choice filth who just love putting up the graphic posters

We need this here

anti choice filth
pro abortion filth
Its like schoolyard gang warfare

jameorahiely

gctest50 wrote: »

There are children on buses and out on the street with their parents

The anti-choice filth with the posters don't care about that though

We bettr hide the people with down syndrome from the children too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970656/Outcry-French-court-rules-pro-life-commercial-showing-happy-children-syndrome-inappropriate-likely-disturb-women-abortions.html


A video showing happy children with Down syndrome has been banned from French television, after judges ruled it could be upsetting for women who have aborted children with the condition.

infogiver

gctest50 wrote: »

There are children on buses and out on the street with their parents

The anti-choice filth with the posters don't care about that though

A minute a go you said it was because women don't like to be reminded about their abortion.
Now its about kids.
Which is it?

gctest50

infogiver wrote: »

anti choice filth
pro abortion filth
Its like schoolyard gang warfare

Anyone who goes around sticking up posters/waving them around in front of kids is filth

Much the same could be said if you were waving around pictures of heart transplants in front of them for some reason

infogiver

jameorahiely wrote: »

We bettr hide the people with down syndrome from the children too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970656/Outcry-French-court-rules-pro-life-commercial-showing-happy-children-syndrome-inappropriate-likely-disturb-women-abortions.html


A video showing happy children with Down syndrome has been banned from French television, after judges ruled it could be upsetting for women who have aborted children with the condition.

Better hide all the pictures of kids with hare lips too, don't want anyone feeling too bad.

_Kaiser_

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

no need to debate just let the people decide

Indeed.. the problem is both sides are terrified that the decision won't go their way. Although you'd have to think that it'd pass, if the older more conservative groups turned out in their droves (as they normally do for elections) while the younger group figured "ah it'll be grand! Sure Twitter said so!" it mightn't be so clear cut.

The issues and ramifications either way are well known by anyone with a stake/interest in the question. Debating it however allows the powers that be to kick an actual referendum down the road a bit more while presenting the illusion of democracy (which really jut turns into a slanging match by extremer views on both sides - you can already see it in this thread!).

As you say, what SHOULD be done is that a date is set and the referendum held within the next 3-6 months say, but unfortunately we'll all have to suffer the pro/against "arguments" for a while longer than that I'd say.

brickmauser

There will be abortion waiting lists. Maybe await of two years to get an abortion?