Highest score

Curly head

Hello all, wondering what's the highest winning score with placing everywhere that people know of?
35 points for 13 holes today in our place n the same score won a month ago as well. Some shooting!!!

FixdePitchmark

Curly head wrote: »

Hello all, wondering what's the highest winning score with placing everywhere that people know of?
35 points for 13 holes today in our place n the same score won a month ago as well. Some shooting!!!

Is your man a known bandit ?

Because on here you will be told you can score near 50 points in winter no problem

Curly head

Don't know him. Was told he's a young lad off 24. It's crazy shooting tho with the course wet enough after a few days rain!

FixdePitchmark

Curly head wrote: »

Don't know him. Was told he's a young lad off 24. It's crazy shooting tho with the course wet enough after a few days rain!

I think a young guy is more complicated.

They improve so quick you will have a lag at times.

Mantis Toboggan

49 points won a tournament in citywest last year!!

fred funk }{

High handicapers benifit grealty from winter rules so scores will be higher.

BigChap1759

32 pts for 12 holes almost every week at St. Margarets, mad stuff but I've shot 27 & 28 myself so it's definitely easier, plus the hardest holes on the course aren't part of the loop(4-9)

spacecoyote

Just posted it in another thread.

Had the notification today that our 9 hole comp was won by a 28 handicap who shot 36 points.

Best score I've ever heard of by a long way

princess poppy

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just posted it in another thread.

Had the notification today that our 9 hole comp was won by a 28 handicap who shot 36 points.

Best score I've ever heard of by a long way

Was that with temp greens? Mad score

spacecoyote

princess poppy wrote: »

Was that with temp greens? Mad score

Tees were forward, but full greens

Curly head

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just posted it in another thread.

Had the notification today that our 9 hole comp was won by a 28 handicap who shot 36 points.

Best score I've ever heard of by a long way

That's surely the highest score ever, did he go round under par?

sthilmick

I once shot 47 points in a Christmas hamper I was off 17 that was 6 over par course was softish and placing on the fairways I was cut to 14. I finished the next year off 11 you can catch lightening in a bottle every now and again . I was told recently that since the winter rules came in, in a local club 2 guys have shared 5/6 prises on the weekend competition shooting between 36 and 40 points in 14 hole competitions. In another club a few years ago at an AGM a guy proposed that prize winners be offered club vouchers equal to the money value of the prize this was passed. He had paid his sub before the winter rules finished from November to end of March he was in the prizes 8 times and never featured in any summer competition. He repeated a similar display of winter golf the following year and was cocky enough to brag about it. Time for the GUI to have a look at this thing having a flush round is one thing but this is ridiculous.

spacecoyote

Curly head wrote: »

That's surely the highest score ever, did he go round under par?

-4 Gross. That's what makes me think there is a cock-up with the scores input on the system

Scores were:
1 eagle
5 birds
1 par
1 bogey
1 double

I'm thinking that he may have accidentally input his points rather than his strokes into the computer on a few of the holes as there is no way a 28 handicap should play that kind of golf

blue note

In a junior comp a fella won with 54 points playing off 30. No-one believed the score.

Mantis Toboggan

sthilmick wrote: »

I once shot 47 points in a Christmas hamper I was off 17 that was 6 over par course was softish and placing on the fairways I was cut to 14. I finished the next year off 11 you can catch lightening in a bottle every now and again . I was told recently that since the winter rules came in, in a local club 2 guys have shared 5/6 prises on the weekend competition shooting between 36 and 40 points in 14 hole competitions. In another club a few years ago at an AGM a guy proposed that prize winners be offered club vouchers equal to the money value of the prize this was passed. He had paid his sub before the winter rules finished from November to end of March he was in the prizes 8 times and never featured in any summer competition. He repeated a similar display of winter golf the following year and was cocky enough to brag about it. Time for the GUI to have a look at this thing having a flush round is one thing but this is ridiculous.

It's the clubs fault for not having a local handicap cut for winter golf.

mike12

Had 48 points myself off 18, was counting so got cut. Still ended the year off 15so it was a once off.

Hoof Hearted2

Curly head wrote: »

Hello all, wondering what's the highest winning score with placing everywhere that people know of?
35 points for 13 holes today in our place n the same score won a month ago as well. Some shooting!!!

56-59pts usually wins in our play place.

PokeHerKing

Am I doing it wrong lads? Placing I thought was simply moving your ball a few cm's from where it lands ie ball plugs and you shift left or right of the plug mark?

Why/how does this account for inflated scores? I'm a member of a small society but mostly play with mates, so don't play any comps or anything, so just curious.

newport2

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Why/how does this account for inflated scores? I'm a member of a small society but mostly play with mates, so don't play any comps or anything, so just curious.

It's a huge advantage to people missing fairways. Instead of playing out of rough, the ball can be teed up nicely on the grass. Especially for players who don't hit down through the ball. It's like all your second shots are either off the fairway or a virtual tee. Eliminates pretty much all the need to be able to play off a variety of lies, and means much longer clubs can be hit out of the rough.

Ronney

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Am I doing it wrong lads? Placing I thought was simply moving your ball a few cm's from where it lands ie ball plugs and you shift left or right of the plug mark?

Why/how does this account for inflated scores? I'm a member of a small society but mostly play with mates, so don't play any comps or anything, so just curious.

Big advantage of placing is round the greens you get to place it on a nice tee'd up tuft of grass making you chip shot alot easier.

Lob shots are easy to take on and alot less chance of blading it over the green

alxmorgan

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

56-59pts usually wins in our play place.

Pick and clean and place within 60 yards ?

moycullen14

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just posted it in another thread.

Had the notification today that our 9 hole comp was won by a 28 handicap who shot 36 points.

Best score I've ever heard of by a long way

Ah here!

That's 4 under gross for 9 holes! I be calling shenanigans!:eek::eek::eek:

I don't care how forward the tees were and how much easier it is with pick/place, that is crazy shooting

I came 9th with 36 pts (15 holes) at our place at the weekend! 39 won

moycullen14

spacecoyote wrote: »

-4 Gross. That's what makes me think there is a cock-up with the scores input on the system

Scores were:
1 eagle
5 birds
1 par
1 bogey
1 double

I'm thinking that he may have accidentally input his points rather than his strokes into the computer on a few of the holes as there is no way a 28 handicap should play that kind of golf

That may be it. I did this a few weeks ago. Entered the points, as the score. It really improves your score if you have a lot of single pointers :-)

Think I had about 55 pts for 15 holes before I corrected it.

BraveDonut

2 competitions in our place on Sunday

13 hole won with 33pts
(runner up was 31pts - 4 under gross!)

9 hold won with 26pts.

I can't hope to compete with those scores.

nebraska132

28 -29 pts wins 12 hole comps in our place - each win triggers a domestic / local handicap /scoring cut of -1pt.

There is a reset (normally) in January.

bailey99

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just posted it in another thread.

Had the notification today that our 9 hole comp was won by a 28 handicap who shot 36 points.

Best score I've ever heard of by a long way

Am I correct in saying he shot 4 under par in stroke???? Christ almighty!

mafc

bailey99 wrote: »

Am I correct in saying he shot 4 under par in stroke???? Christ almighty!

1 eagle
5 birdies
1 par
1 bogey
1 double
Just seen the card on HowDidiDo
Unbelievable stuff for a 28 handicap !!

FixdePitchmark

mafc wrote: »

1 eagle
5 birdies
1 par
1 bogey
1 double
Just seen the card on HowDidiDo
Unbelievable stuff for a 28 handicap !!

Must still be a mistake

If not - should never get a GUI handicap again.

Mantis Toboggan

mafc wrote: »

1 eagle
5 birdies
1 par
1 bogey
1 double
Just seen the card on HowDidiDo
Unbelievable stuff for a 28 handicap !!

That's crazy stuff!

FixdePitchmark

I know we are talking winter and not the same.

But good article by Ivan Morris in The Irish Golfer (Jan 2017)

It basically says

"Anyone who shot in excess of 40 pts more than once or twice a year is too loosely handicapped - and should be cut more severely"

Now I think that is over the top , but the basis of the article is that the golfing community are spilt between the ones that want an accurate handicap and ones that want 4/5/6 shots in the bag. There is just too much of a gap between the 2. The other main point of article is Cat 1 doesn't work if point are too high regularly - as in above 40 , an example given was a player having 64 gross and got a .1 back as scores were silly in Naas.

It looks like we are going to have a handcap based on the average of so many rounds - not sure if this is bandit helping.

I put that forward as an idea a few years ago here.

Basically any score above 40 (5 above CSS) is reduced by 1 stroke per point , in addition to the normal cut - far more severely when above 40 so non linear . This basically means a person who times a win will be mathematically in a narrower band after win - means you can still have bandits - but they win by less and a less number of times and a golfer off an honest handicap can catch them on a good day. Yes the honest golfer will get caught too - but he will be happy with the cut less probable to be much over the 40 , and it will be still easier to get to the now narrower band to a win. Basically you are reducing the standard deviation over time and making more people inside the winning area.

You could get more interesting with maths and have the reduction based on the number of event 5 above CSS.

I genuinely think - yes people can always cheat , but the number of times they do it and the cuts will be far harsher.

As for winter - crazy stuff - have a css - sss , work out a reasonable equation and cut the **** out of them.

At the end of the day these actions would help honest golfers - we would be delighted to be in a system that over 40 is an outlier.

Long Turn

It was a mistake. He didn't win anything.

spacecoyote

Yep, wrong score alright. Best score up on the reaults on the club site is 24, guess they just haven't submitted a revised score on howdidido.

mike12

Glad to play at a course that uses full tees and greens for the winter. Scoring is much the same summer and winter. Anything gained by placing is lost in lack of run.

fred funk }{

mike12 wrote: »

Glad to play at a course that uses full tees and greens for the winter. Scoring is much the same summer and winter. Anything gained by placing is lost in lack of run.

The greens are also a lot softer so the ball stops easier which also helps the higher players.

moycullen14

Two of the winners at our place in the last few weeks have been old boys who haven't featured in years. Outrageous scores but certainly not banditry.
Winter rules just suits some more than others. It shouldn't be taken too seriously as it's barely golf.

Fairly savage local cuts stops people taking the p**s.

Mantis Toboggan

Can't see any downside to local cuts.

FixdePitchmark

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Can't see any downside to local cuts.

yes and keep them at start of season.

Real handicapped golfers wouldn't fear this.

WheresMyPar

Well I got beat by 6 shots guy of 28 shot 47pts I came second with 41.
He is a young lad can only imagine it's a new handicap not sure because he's away player

FixdePitchmark

WheresMyPar wrote: »

Well I got beat by 6 shots guy of 28 shot 47pts I came second with 41.
He is a young lad can only imagine it's a new handicap not sure because he's away player

Disgrace.

Was it a medal ?

WheresMyPar

No just open singles

FixdePitchmark

WheresMyPar wrote: »

No just open singles

Well fair enough - was just day of his life.

But what on earth is a lad doing off 28 if he can go around in under 90 shots.

If he can break 90 he can play decent golf and is the sort of thing that brings the handicap system into disrepute.

Winter is a factor - but we need to get winter cuts into our system.

Also handicaps above 21 should be for absolute exceptions or medical reasons.
If you can't win off 21 - you keep going till you can.

Hoof Hearted2

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Well fair enough - was just day of his life.

But what on earth is a lad doing off 28 if he can go around in under 90 shots.

If he can break 90 he can play decent golf and is the sort of thing that brings the handicap system into disrepute.

Winter is a factor - but we need to get winter cuts into our system.

Also handicaps above 21 should be for absolute exceptions or medical reasons.
If you can't win off 21 - you keep going till you can.

When is your thesis on the HC system coming out fix?, I'm sure the GUI and CONGU are waiting with bated breath as am I of course.

golfguy1

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Well fair enough - was just day of his life.

But what on earth is a lad doing off 28 if he can go around in under 90 shots.

If he can break 90 he can play decent golf and is the sort of thing that brings the handicap system into disrepute.

Winter is a factor - but we need to get winter cuts into our system.

Also handicaps above 21 should be for absolute exceptions or medical reasons.
If you can't win off 21 - you keep going till you can.

Why pick 21 as a limit sure why not bring everybody to 10 and make the game even less enjoyable for an even bigger percentage of Ireland's golfing population.!!!!!!
I presume it a very low handicap to be making those statements

rickis tache

twice shot 48 points and both off 19. Both occasions were 2 years apart. Done SFA between them. Now off 13 and struggling since being cut from 16 to 13 for a competition were I shot 45. lucky to shoot high 20s or low 30s now.

blue note

rickis tache wrote: »

twice shot 48 points and both off 19. Both occasions were 2 years apart. Done SFA between them. Now off 13 and struggling since being cut from 16 to 13 for a competition were I shot 45. lucky to shoot high 20s or low 30s now.

The low 30s is what you're meant to be averaging out at under the Congu system. So if you're shooting high 20s / low 30s with an occasional mid 20s / 30s your scores pretty much suggest you now have an accurate handicap.

People think that they should be averaging 36 points, but it's not the case at all. If you're averaging 36 points, your handicap is too high.

Shooting 48 points off 19 and getting back to 19 is really unusual. Just to stress I'm not suggesting anything, just saying it's really odd!

blue note

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Well fair enough - was just day of his life.

But what on earth is a lad doing off 28 if he can go around in under 90 shots.

If he can break 90 he can play decent golf and is the sort of thing that brings the handicap system into disrepute.

Winter is a factor - but we need to get winter cuts into our system.

Also handicaps above 21 should be for absolute exceptions or medical reasons.
If you can't win off 21 - you keep going till you can.

To be honest, this sort of thinking really annoys me (regarding people saying that you should have a max handicap of 21 or the like). My brother and two of my friends are simply put, really bad golfers. My brother was given a handicap of 22 (I think they picked this number out of their ar$e) and he's gotten .1 back in every qualifying competition he has ever played in. I don't think he's ever come close to 20 points, most days he's just breaking double digits. Now, he played a decent bit of golf growing up and should be much better. But he's not. He'll play in a competition, but really considers them an inconvenience because he has to pay for them and gets nothing from them. Now fair enough, you have to draw a line somewhere. I'm not suggesting that you give him a handicap of 45 or anything, but 21 is a handicap he'll probably never be able to play off. We have a handicap system so that everyone can compete and if we were to reduce it down to 21 we'd be losing a bunch of people.

My two friends btw play off around 23/24 and they're simply suitable handicaps for them. One of them got cut twice with around 39 points each time but found his way back up afterwards. Again, they both practiced a bit and got a few lessons, they're just not terribly good. If you were to put a 21 handicap limit in, why would they bother coming out to play in competitions? They'd effectively just be subsidizing everyone else.

And finally just to add, the lower handicap players are slightly more likely to win competitions outright than the higher handicap ones. There seems to be a belief that the single figure guys can't win when in reality they're more likely to than the category 4 guys. (have a google of handicap myths and there's a pdf from the Scottish golfing union on this).

Corkblowin

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But what on earth is a lad doing off 28 if he can go around in under 90 shots.

You're being quite harsh there - someone can always have the day of their life, and its especially likely with young lads.

I took up golf at 18 because I couldn't play hurling anymore. First handicap was 15 and I tipped away at it, 0.1's here, small cuts there, and then one sunday afternoon went out and shot 50 points from absolutely nowhere. Hate to think people would begrudge a young lad because he finally 'got' how to play golf. The system catches all these guys eventually.

Had 45 points off 5 a few years ago too - so you can have one of those days off any handicap.

FixdePitchmark

Corkblowin wrote: »

You're being quite harsh there - someone can always have the day of their life, and its especially likely with young lads.

I took up golf at 18 because I couldn't play hurling anymore. First handicap was 15 and I tipped away at it, 0.1's here, small cuts there, and then one sunday afternoon went out and shot 50 points from absolutely nowhere. Hate to think people would begrudge a young lad because he finally 'got' how to play golf. The system catches all these guys eventually.

Had 45 points off 5 a few years ago too - so you can have one of those days off any handicap.

Fair enough I am being a bit harsh.

But - I guess I do have a different view to the handicap system to most. So I'm the one out there.

I guess I'm saying - do we want to be serious about competitive golf for competitive golfers. Is it unreasonable (the GUI have woken up to this) - for golfers to want sensible handicapped golf.

I have the unusual view that many of the people mentioned above are not into the competitive aspect of golf - or should not qualify for the overall prize, yes, so have category prizes. They are not playing golf regularly , competitively or enough for the handicap to be a true reflection of their ability. Why in "serious" golf do we have this view - well johnny doesn't play often - comes out for the laugh , but needs his 28. Makes a bit of a joke of our competitive game. If they are not that serious - well you know, do they really care about a prize, the competitive side .


But I know that is out there , competitive golf has to have some limit. I think 28 is too high.
Our system is returning scores near 45 - this can happen , but we now have people saying above 45 can happen. :eek: How have we got to this point , like the tipping away at the edge all the time - you wake up, a guy off 8 goes 3 over and loses by - what was it 6. Seriously.

Now on the individual having a handicap of 28 - something has gone systematically wrong there

There has been too big a gap in his competition entry - I for one think the 3 rounds per year - is ridiculously too low.
His initial handicap was too high,
The winter break is a real problem for handicaps in Ireland.

And to hoof hearted

During a discussion on the CONGRU system - I did question the maths of it in the past - the guy above is going to be cut by about 4.0 - to me that is still a nonsense for him to be off 24. He still has an easy 40 points + in him. He is still an outlier.

Basically as you progress up the categories it is a linear jump - in mathematical functions that require correction - this is actually very slow.
And bad maths.

You could adjust handicap system to make the correction to the above golfer way quicker. Bring golfers closer together after higher scores.

Anyway - best of luck to him. But - not for me.

And on the above 21 - you start at that , but after say 10 rounds performing below that - you can go up by .4

WheresMyPar

Fix I think your being generous with 21
Any able guy should be giving 18 and reviewed after 10 scores and then adjusted fairly,
I was giving 17 starting and my best card was 105

FixdePitchmark

WheresMyPar wrote: »

Fix I think your being generous with 21
Any able guy should be giving 18 and reviewed after 10 scores and then adjusted fairly,
I was giving 17 starting and my best card was 105

Well there were old stories of active handicap secretaries that wouldn't dream of above 18.

Now that is another days debate - and I know the culture has changed. But are we at a political correct time where , it is all about fair and we all can win. Someone has to say 28 and 47 is a nonsense. Sorry.

Look I think - I may be coming across as a mad, low up his own arse handicap player - and anyone who has played with me - I hope thinks that is not the truth.

But I'm from a competitive background in sport.

Are we at a point in our game when people scoring in the high 40s - when questioned - it is the person questioning who has the issue.

The GUI have asked us to review the culture in our game.

45 can happen - but come on.

If someone scores 45 + , if the culture is right - the questions need to be asked.

Jawgap

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Look I think - I may be coming across as a mad, low up his own arse handicap player - and anyone who has played with me - I hope thinks that is not the truth.

But I'm from a competitive background in sport.

Are we at a point in our game when people scoring in the high 40s - when questioned - it is the person questioning who has the issue.

The GUI have asked us to review the culture in our game.

45 can happen - but come on.

If someone scores 45 + , if the culture is right - the questions need to be asked.

Yeah, but at that level of scoring the "Exceptional Scoring Reduction" algo kicks in and triggers the possibility of faster, more dramatic, cuts.