Attacks in Dublin City Center Organised on Facebook

Fox Hound

Did anybody read this article Attack On Shoppers? This is very scary and a lot of innocent people hurt in the process,
What is happening in Dublin???

Atlantic Dawn

Sounds like made up rubbish, how could it take 10 days for this to come to the media if tens of thousands would have been in the area to witness it at the time?

Fox Hound

Id say it has been sitting on someones desk since the holidays...Classic Irish "Breaking News" ten days later

ahlookit

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sounds like made up rubbish, how could it take 10 days for this to come to the media if tens of thousands would have been in the area to witness it at the time?

Also, this line:

The incident worsened shortly after 7pm as thousands of shoppers descended on the city centre to take advantage of the post-Christmas sales.

What time do shops stay open til on Stephens day?

Lux23

The only thing new about that is that it was arranged on Facebook, I can remember kids in my hometown organising big scraps through word of mouth. People would turn up in a field and a few punches would be thrown and then that would be it. This doesn't seem all that different really.

lawred2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sounds like made up rubbish, how could it take 10 days for this to come to the media if tens of thousands would have been in the area to witness it at the time?

That's what I thought

Shoppers descending at 7PM

Sounds like a fake news plant to me

Atlantic Dawn

“At one point about 90 to 100 youths came running up the street together. They were all shouting at the same time and filming themselves with their phones,” a Mary Street sales assistant said.

No evidence of any video of the riots with this article, surely there should be hundreds of clips uploaded from all those involved and from the shoppers who would have also had phones to record this.

An assistant manageress of another shop said: “We heard it was all arranged on Facebook. A crowd of kids meeting up for a fight. I was very worried about leaving the shop to go home.

A ha ha ha ha, did a journalist for a national newspaper actually use the term manageress in 2017?

daheff

sounds like sensationalist rubbish to me.


More likely a load of teenagers hanging around. Some scuffle happened and he said/she said/ blah blah/ blown out of proportions.*


dont believe the 'we closed our shops shutters to protect customers' at 7pm nonsense. while shops do this from time to time, i'd suspect it was more the shop was closing anyways (but on stephens day, i'd expect the shops were closed already at 7).

as few as five gardai were on hand to deal with the situation and directed the teenagers to leave the area.

Sounds like there werent that many trouble makers around...more so people watching a small bit of an incident.



Best 'quote' of the article

“I’d like to tell them to stop their stupid behaviour,” he said.


*although if some videos turn up showing a larger crowd rioting, i'll take that back

blue4ever

What a NO story! It's absolute garbage - lets have a look at some of the 'facts'

250 involved - If that were the case there would have had to have been a serious deployment and a riot plan invoked by the Garda - and you will note that the strapline says 'as little as five gardaí at the scene" - is this an agenda led article?

250 and 5 people injured - I like those "fight club" odds - was it in a handbag boutique.

7pm on Mary St -Jasus stray dogs were the only witnesses then. No shoppers about St Stpehen's Night on Henry Street and shops mainly closed and any that did open shut at 5.

With all those testosterone fueled youths -all tech savvy - and not a clip to be seen. The "goto" Youtube has a clip "Fight Breaks out on Henry Street" - it's two years old.

I've re-worked their by-line in the attached to lend some credence to the story!

Miaireland

I would have thought that this would be all over social media and the "shoppers" would be onto Joe Duffy and the like.

blue4ever

I just read the comments at the bottom of this tale - staggering the amount of people that took it at face value - one calling for the Garda to be armed and another for the re-introduction of the Borstel system!

donaghs

Strange how nothing about it in the news until now. If this the first draft of the account, will probably have to wait and see to get the drip-feed details on what actually happened, or if it was anything major at all.

pilly

NO shops were open in town at 7pm on St.Stephen's Day except maybe a newsagent so that just rubbishes the whole story really.

Atlantic Dawn

In the era of fake news this story is a prime example of 100% fake news.

Fox Hound

Well something must have happened...if there is smoke there is fire....I wouldn't be so quick to brush this off as Nothing news,,,,It is very strange that it only came out today, is the Indo known for printing fake storeys?,,,I would have thought they would be pretty reliable!

alastair

Fox Hound wrote: »

Well something must have happened...if there is smoke there is fire....I wouldn't be so quick to brush this off as Nothing news,,,,It is very strange that it only came out today, is the Indo known for printing fake storeys?,,,I would have thought they would be pretty reliable!

What's clear is that what was reported didn't happen, irrespective of any smoke/fire metaphors.

SteM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sounds like made up rubbish, how could it take 10 days for this to come to the media if tens of thousands would have been in the area to witness it at the time?

I thought the same. The report I read had a quote from a witness saying loads of people were recording it, but if you go looking for footage there's nothing to be found. It's unlikely in this day and age that there's loads of footage just sitting on peoples phones and not put straight on you tube.

killbillvol2

Fox Hound wrote: »

Well something must have happened...if there is smoke there is fire....I wouldn't be so quick to brush this off as Nothing news,,,,It is very strange that it only came out today, is the Indo known for printing fake storeys?,,,I would have thought they would be pretty reliable!

The Indo. Reliable! Please tell me you're having a laugh.

SteM

Fox Hound wrote: »

Well something must have happened...if there is smoke there is fire....I wouldn't be so quick to brush this off as Nothing news,,,,It is very strange that it only came out today, is the Indo known for printing fake storeys?,,,I would have thought they would be pretty reliable!

It's the Indo - it's practically the Sun at this point.

Birneybau

killbillvol2 wrote: »

The Indo. Reliable! Please tell me you're having a laugh.

The innocence.

Carlos Orange

“I’m black and look younger than I am and I was afraid the teenagers would think I was a member of one of the gangs and attack me. The store manager walked me to my bus stop.”

Kinda makes it sound like there was a ethnic tinge to the gangs.

Who knows these days when you can't trust the news to be true or the truth to be news. A lot of news stories are just copy and paste from someone elses news story.

Dial Hard

Fox Hound wrote:

Is the Indo known for printing fake storeys?,,,I would have thought they would be pretty reliable!

They ran an article the other week saying Kym Owens (the girl seriously injured in Maynooth) may have actually been hit by a car. It wasn't covered in a single other news outlet and they deleted it without comment, explanation or retraction a few hours later.

So I would say yeah, they have been known to print fake stories.

Easy Rod

psinno wrote: »

“I’m black and look younger than I am and I was afraid the teenagers would think I was a member of one of the gangs and attack me. The store manager walked me to my bus stop.”

Kinda makes it sound like there was a ethnic tinge to the gangs.

Who knows these days when you can't trust the news to be true or the truth to be news. A lot of news stories are just copy and paste from someone elses news story.

I was going to highlight that line. One of the clearest signs there's a sinister ulterior message behind this bull**** story.

Carlos Orange

Easy Rod wrote: »

I was going to highlight that line. One of the clearest signs there's a sinister ulterior message behind this bull**** story.

Or it could be why there are only 3 stories about it. Works both ways.
Would be easier to know if they were independently sourced but I suspect they aren't.

Mary63

I stopped off in Citywest because my daughter wanted to buy KFC food.She came back to the car and said she wasn't allowed into the restaurant.I went to buy the take out then and the security guard said no unaccompanied teenagers were being allowed in.As I walked back to the car I noticed a big gang of black teenage males being chased by security Guards and then about five cars with security men inside circled the carpark.I got out of there as fast as I could and never went back.

I think Dublin has got so violent, its young men being attacked and stabbed for looking sideways at someone and often attacked for no good reason but because someone was angry.Teens are now going out carrying knives and they think nothing of using them, before it was a punch that would be thrown.I don't know what is causing all this hatred.

Clarebelly

"The incident worsened shortly after 7pm as thousands of shoppers descended on the city centre to take advantage of the post-Christmas sales."


Yeah........ the thousands of shoppers, all with cameras on their phones.
The thousands of shoppers who have not posted any image or footage of this "riot" on social media.

SteM

Mary63 wrote: »

I stopped off in Citywest because my daughter wanted to buy KFC food.She came back to the car and said she wasn't allowed into the restaurant.I went to buy the take out then and the security guard said no unaccompanied teenagers were being allowed in.As I walked back to the car I noticed a big gang of black teenage males being chased by security Guards and then about five cars with security men inside circled the carpark.I got out of there as fast as I could and never went back.

I've been up to Citywest dozens of times visiting various places there and never seen any problem around that shopping centre. You must've been unlucky tbh.

I was down in the Whitewater shipping centre in Newbridge the Christmas before last and there was a big fight between a load of teenagers while I was there. Doesn’t mean I'll never go back though.

Did your anecdote have to include the colour of the teenage males skin by the way?

pilly

Fox Hound wrote: »

Did anybody read this article Attack On Shoppers? This is very scary and a lot of innocent people hurt in the process,
What is happening in Dublin???

What's the story with spelling centre the American way nowadays by the way?

pilly

psinno wrote: »

“I’m black and look younger than I am and I was afraid the teenagers would think I was a member of one of the gangs and attack me. The store manager walked me to my bus stop.”

Kinda makes it sound like there was a ethnic tinge to the gangs.

Who knows these days when you can't trust the news to be true or the truth to be news. A lot of news stories are just copy and paste from someone elses news story.

Or copy and paste from Facebook which is even worse.

Carlos Orange

pilly wrote: »

Or copy and paste from Facebook which is even worse.

I think the worst are "people are pissed off about X" (according to 5 people on twitter).

Riesen_Meal

Funny enough, typing St Stephens day Mary Street into YouTube yields no results...

pilly

psinno wrote: »

I think the worst are "people are pissed off about X" (according to 5 people on twitter).

Yeah, last nights headline was "Celeb BB rocked by racism scandal" already! Because of a few tweets!

seamus

Fox Hound wrote: »

if there is smoke there is fire

Uuh...no there's not. Very possible to have a lot of smoke and not a single flame.

It's one of the dumbest metaphors out there.

tracey turnblad

I was in town St Stephens day, I also live a stones throw from Mary st and heard nothing....

Muhammed_1

The disbelief is strong on Boards.

The Guards said as follows.
Officers at Store Street Garda Station are continuing to investigate the orgy of violence as a public order incident.

“This group have been causing absolute havoc in the city over the last few weeks.

“They’ve been threatening security staff with knives but what happened on St Stephen’s Day was far worse though,” said a source.



It seems that this was a large group of black and minority youths. That is implied as the black person working in a shop says that they were afraid that they'd be associated with one of the groups.

It is appropriate to mention the colour of the youths skin if the colour of their skin was a characteristic feature of the group. If the group was majority black it is acceptable to report that.


The Police say that this incident was real. The lack of reporting suggests a cover up.

I don't think this problem can be resolved and I expect serious violence among youths in Dublin in the future.

alastair

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

The Police say that this incident was real. The lack of reporting suggests a cover up.

Nope. The Herald quote 'a source'. It's an unattributed quote, and not even ascribed to the Store St. gards.

The lack of reporting suggests a non-story. Your distaste for multiculturalism seems to be clouding your critical comprehension.

SteM

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

....The Police say that this incident was real. The lack of reporting suggests a cover up....

What about the lack of video footage? 250 youths (according to the report) fighting on a street in the city centre and not one piece of video footage on social media? These would be the same youths that put every part of their lives on social media. What they have for breakfast, what movie they're at etc but not one of these people puts anything on social media? This is some cover up!

Muhammed_1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/terrified-shoppers-attacked-as-250-gang-rivals-battle-in-facebookstaged-street-riot-35343400.html wrote:

...
Officers at Store Street Garda Station are continuing to investigate the orgy of violence as a public order incident.

“This group have been causing absolute havoc in the city over the last few weeks.

“They’ve been threatening security staff with knives but what happened on St Stephen’s Day was far worse though,” said a source.
...

That clearly suggests that the quote is from a Garda source. If the source is not a Garda source then the paper is being deliberately misleading.

I can only comprehend what's written in the paper.

If that source is not a Garda source then please take it up with the Indo.


As for the lack of video footage. I cannot say why that might be if indeed it is true but the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

some randomer from Independent article wrote:

Dubguy
I was on Henry Steet and it was like being at an underage disco full of angry teens in Nairobi. They were highly aggressive towards other people of their own age group and very intimidating even to adult man who's lived in inner city Dublin all his life. Ireland just isn't what it used to be anymore.

Did someone vote for this?
Can this discuss this issue?

Muhammed_1

alastair wrote: »

...
Your distaste for multiculturalism seems to be clouding your critical comprehension.

Can you stop attacking posters please and can you instead attack the points made please.


Labelling and name calling doesn't work anymore. Sticks and stones etc.

alastair

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

That clearly suggests that the quote is from a Garda source. If the source is not a Garda source then the paper is being deliberately misleading.

Tabloid misrepresentation! How unexpected!

There's no linkage between the Store St. assertion of a public order incident and the quotes from 'a source'. Ask yourself why not. This is an issue for your comprehension skills, not the tabloid yellow journalism.

alastair

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

Can you stop attacking posters please and can you instead attack the points made please.


Labelling and name calling doesn't work anymore. Sticks and stones etc.

Just calling it as I find it. Honesty is the best policy etc.

Points you raised fully addressed btw.

seamus

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

The Police say that this incident was real.

There is no evidence that anything happened. No reliable eyewitness statements, no reliable journalist reports (7pm on St. Stephen's Day, really?), no videos or screenshots, and no official statements.

There is just as much evidence that five people got into a scrap on Henry St and some journalist desperate for a column filler made the rest up.

This bit in particular made me laugh:

as many as five people are believed to have been assaulted.

It reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0p96miSK8

conorhal

seamus wrote: »

There is no evidence that anything happened. No reliable eyewitness statements, no reliable journalist reports (7pm on St. Stephen's Day, really?), no videos or screenshots, and no official statements.

There is just as much evidence that five people got into a scrap on Henry St and some journalist desperate for a column filler made the rest up.

This bit in particular made me laugh:It reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0p96miSK8

Or, the media are applying 'Cologne levels of radio silence' because they'd rather set their heads on fire then report a negative story about ethnic minorities, so you get a mealy mouthed article that's light in facts. Queue the picture of the one black lad on the local winning GAA team as an example of multicultural success....

I presume the black lady working in the newsagents is 'not a reliable wittness'? Or the Guards that arrived in squad cars that scattered them?
As for those complaining that this can't have happened because they can't find the youtube video, get with the future folks, whatsapp and vine are were it's at these days!

alastair

conorhal wrote: »

Or, the media are applying 'Cologne levels of radio silence' because they'd rather set their heads on fire then report a negative story about ethnic minorities, so you get a mealy mouthed article that's light in facts. Queue the picture of the one black lad on the local winning GAA team as an example of multicultural success....

1. Cologne was far from unreported.
2. Mealy-mouthed journalism is the Herald stock in trade, regardless of ethnicity, gender, or any other categorisation.
3. Multiculturalism is a fact of life. Time to get used to it.

Muhammed_1

Indo wrote:

Officers at Store Street Garda Station are continuing to investigate the orgy of violence as a public order incident.

“This group have been causing absolute havoc in the city over the last few weeks.

“They’ve been threatening security staff with knives but what happened on St Stephen’s Day was far worse though,” said a source.

What appears above is a single paragraph in the newspaper report, and a complete paragraph. It's intended to be understood that the quoted source is a Garda source.


The text immediately above that quote in the paper is a separate paragraph, as is the text immediately below that quote. It's hard to see but the gaps are slightly bigger between paragraphs than between lines.


What I have quoted above is the entire paragraph from the paper and it's definitely intended by the reporter that the quote be attributed to an unnamed member of the Guards.

If the quote wasn't from the Guards it wouldn't have been included in the same paragraph.


Have I mis-comprehended?

Perhaps someone could ask the Indo?

I'm aware the Indo in a terrible newspaper but aren't they all nowadays?

conorhal

alastair wrote: »

1. Cologne was far from unreported.

Not true.

alastair wrote: »

2. Mealy-mouthed journalism is the Herald stock in trade, regardless of ethnicity, gender, or any other categorisation.

True

alastair wrote: »

3. Multiculturalism is a fact of life. Time to get used to it.

Not true.

alastair

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

What appears above is a single paragraph in the newspaper report, and a complete paragraph. It's intended to be understood that the quoted source is a Garda source.


The text immediately above that quote in the paper is a separate paragraph, as is the text immediately below that quote. It's hard to see but the gaps are slightly bigger between paragraphs than between lines.


What I have quoted above is the entire paragraph from the paper and it's definitely intended by the reporter that the quote be attributed to an unnamed member of the Guards.

If the quote wasn't from the Guards it wouldn't have been included in the same paragraph.


Have I mis-comprehended?

Combining assertions into a single paragraph might well be intended to 'imply' a linkage, but there's actually nothing published that confirms that linkage. If there was, you'd expect that they would, you know, publish it. It's standard tabloid misrepresentation and bluster.

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

Perhaps someone could ask the Indo?

I'm aware the Indo in a terrible newspaper but aren't they all nowadays?

No, they're not.

Clarebelly

conorhal wrote: »

As for those complaining that this can't have happened because they can't find the youtube video, get with the future folks, whatsapp and vine are were it's at these days!

What's that about Vine, Grandpa?

Near the end of 2016, Twitter announced plans to shut down the Vine app. The company has now announced that the six-second looping video service app will be officially discontinued on January 17.
http://pitchfork.com/news/70694-vine-dies-on-january-17/

alastair

conorhal wrote: »

Not true.

Heh. How did you get to hear about it then?
I know how I did - through the reporting of it - ALL OVER THE MASS MEDIA - for weeks on end.

and yeah - Sorry to confirm it - but multiculturalism isn't going away, nor is it anything new.

Muhammed_1

alastair wrote: »

Tabloid misrepresentation! How unexpected!

There's no linkage between the Store St. assertion of a public order incident and the quotes from 'a source'. Ask yourself why not. This is an issue for your comprehension skills, not the tabloid yellow journalism.

There is a clear linkage.

The quote directly follows a reference to the Garda, and to Store Street, and to officers from Store Street.
The quote is in the same paragraph as the reference to the Guards, and the paragraph contains nothing else.


Sloppy journalism. The reporter should have clarified that it was a Garda source and not merely a source.

If that quote is not from a Garda source then the journalist is being deliberately misleading.


Can you stop referring to my comprehension skills please?

alastair

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

There is a clear linkage.

No there's not. There's an insinuated linkage, which is enough for the lazy reader, but it's not an actual asserted linkage.

http://www.poynter.org/2014/anonymous-sources-leaving-journalisms-false-god-behind/249037/