Moving to New York

Gillenation

I'm 17 (18 in a few months) and about to graduate from secondary school this summer. I want to move to New York and become a NYPD police officer but I don't know where to start on this.

After doing a bit of research, I found that I need to have a green card. So I'm wondering if I can get a green card through a job, and that job being a NYPD officer.

I know that you can get one through the green card lottery, but I don't want to rely on that since it's not likely to happen.

Also, if I do get a green card and do get to work for the NYPD, do I still have to wait 5 years to apply to become a citizen?

Timetravel

Most US states require the applicant to be a US citizen to join the police as far as I'm aware

myshirt

You will find it very, very hard to get into the States with Trump in now, especially unskilled and 18 years old.

I'd say move on son, it's a pipe dream.

Nonoperational

You need to be a US citizen.

Gillenation

@myshirt Not gonna give up that easy

Ok so if you do need to be a US citizen, would I be able to join New York's national guard? Would I be able to apply for a green card using the national guard as a job? To join them, I need a green card but the only way for me to get a green card is through the lottery or through a job. I'm wondering if joining the national guard would qualify me to get a green card or would I need to find a different job/win the lottery.

In my head, these are the steps. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

-Go to America when I turn 18
-Enlist for the New York National Guard
-Apply for a green card through a job (the job being national guard)
-Be in the national guard for 1 year
-Apply for citizenship
-Join NYPD before I turn 20


What are your opinions on this, do you think it would be possible?

Noo

And what visa will you be initially entering the US on?

me_right_one

Put these questions to the American embassy in Ballsbridge. They should be able to give you concrete answers.

Gillenation

@Noo Would I be able to enlist using a visitor visa (category B-2)?

@me_right_one I've tried looking for an email for them but can't find it. I'll try calling them in the morning

Noo

Gillenation wrote: »

@Noo Would I be able to enlist using a visitor visa (category B-2)?

Applying for a job with the national guard or nypd on a visa that does not allow you to work will not end well.

Gillenation

@Noo

So the only way for me to get into the national guard (and hence the NYPD) is to find another job to sponsor me or to win the lottery?

If I win the lottery, I have no need to join the national guard. After doing some more research, I found that you can join the NYPD.

And what if I got a green card through a job (not the national guard) sponsoring me, how long do I have to work in that job before I can get a citizenship?

LC2017

I doubt you'd even be allowed to leave Dublin with that plan.

Between 2014 and 2016 the NYPD didn't file any applications for a H1B visa for officers so it's unlikely you'll be able to go down that route.

Probably the best advice is to keep applying for the lottery and hope for the best, you never know. You will have to wait 5 years and become a citizen though.
What about joining the US military while you're waiting? Doing this will also cover the requirement of a college degree.

Noo

Considering the line of work you are wishing to pursue, you will very much have to do everything by the book (not that would ever recommend oherwise but you would be subject to intense background checks). As you are currently unskilled you will have slim to nil chance of getting the sponsorship route through any industry.

Gillenation

@Noo

I might have a chance with a software engineering company (I code in my free time). I've done contract work for them in the past, successfully. The company is based in California, so if I got a green card from working there, would I be able to quit after a year or so, move to New York and work for the NYPD?

the whole year inn

Gillenation wrote: »

@Noo

I might have a chance with a software engineering company (I code in my free time). I've done contract work for them in the past, successfully. The company is based in California, so if I got a green card from working there, would I be able to quit after a year or so, move to New York and work for the NYPD?

Why not just code?I'd say the money be a lot better as well.

LC2017

A work visa would only be valid for the company that issued it to you, so if you were to quit then it would no longer be valid.

Gillenation

@the whole year inn

I like to code as a hobby, but I wouldn't enjoy it as a career. The reason I want to join the NYPD is because there's adventure, something new every day. Whereas with coding you sit down all day, work with the exact same people every day and practically do the same thing every day.

While the money might be better, I'd rather be happier and join the NYPD.

Peintre Celebre

You're living in a fantasy land. You won't get a sponsorship unless you have a degree. Writing 'a bit of code' won't do you any good.

Think you've been watching a bit too much law and order

Gillenation

@LC2017

Would I be able to apply for a citizenship after a year or so of working there?

Gillenation

@Peintre Celebre

As I said, I've done contract work for them and they were happy with it. They're also running an "internship" program that I'd be able to apply for and have a pretty good chance of getting

Peintre Celebre

Six months ago you were 16 looking for a motorbike licence, then you posted looking for a helicopter licence, now you want to join the NYPD with no idea of how to do so (it would be near impossible for you, it could be actually impossible).

Not being funny but all sounds a bit fantastical.

Dodge

Gillenation wrote: »

The reason I want to join the NYPD is because there's adventure, something new every day.

Sorry to be blunt but you need to grow up, and fast

LC2017

You can apply for a green card after you get a work visa. Then you would have to wait another 5 years to become a citizen.

I'm not sure on the process for technology companies but I know that it would be extremely rare for a professional firm (accounting, law etc.) to sponsor people for internships as if they can afford the legal fees, then they probably have global offices where applicants can intern instead)

On the cost note, if the company doesn't think you're in the job for the long run then they won't even bother applying in the first place

Dj Stiggie

You still have to be resident for 5 years before you can become a citizen. I don't think the NYPD is exciting as you think it is. Like everything else, real life isn't like it is on TV.

Sounds like you should apply to join the internship for the tech company though. You're young so an experience like that in California could really give you some valuable experience. Plus I'm guessing they're based around San Francisco/Silicone Valley. A couple of months meeting rich tech nerds could show you that maybe it's ok to not love your job as long as it provides you with good resources for your spare time.

the whole year inn

Gillenation wrote: »

@the whole year inn

I like to code as a hobby, but I wouldn't enjoy it as a career. The reason I want to join the NYPD is because there's adventure, something new every day. Whereas with coding you sit down all day, work with the exact same people every day and practically do the same thing every day.

While the money might be better, I'd rather be happier and join the NYPD.

Fair enough but I think you will struggle, have you been to New York before?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_Auxiliary_Police
Not sure if that would interest you.

Gillenation

Even if joining the NYPD isn't as exciting as it sounds, I'd still like to join

Satriale

I wish i was young again.
Follow your dreams, Gillenation, best of luck!

longshanks

As things stand you'd have a better chance of joining Isis than the NYPD.

El Horseboxo

I work in federal law enforcement in Oklahoma and you do indeed need to be a citizen.

Hate to dash your hopes. But you basically have no chance. Companies don't bring people over and offer green cards. It would be a visa valid for a number of years which provides a platform for future more permanent options. And usually you have to stay in employment with the sponsor until you obtain a permanent status as visa validity is linked to sponsor of visa category.

HensVassal

Gillenation wrote: »

Even if joining the NYPD isn't as exciting as it sounds, I'd still like to join

You cannot work in the United States without a work permit whether it be green card, h1b or j1. And you cannot get a job in burger king without the aforementioned neve mind a job where they give you a car and a gun. You want to join the nypd? Why? I have 2 cousins who work for nypd. All they do is bitch about the job. Go off to goa and get drunk and laid and forget working like a dog and getting piles sitting in a smelly squad car with doughnut powder all over you.

Saipanne

1. Get a degree in a field in high demand in the states

2a. Get a job with an Irish based American company, and work towards a transfer

Or

2b. Apply for jobs in the states, from Ireland


Aside from the lottery, that's your only hope.

endacl

Gillenation wrote: »

In my head, these are the steps. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

-Go to America when I turn 18
-Enlist for the New York National Guard
-Get sent to warzone
-Get legs blown off
-Go home with no legs
-Post thread on here about how to join the NYPD with no legs.

Adjusted to include strong possibility.

The National Guard ain't the FCA.

http://taskandpurpose.com/citizen-soldier-tells-story-national-guard-units-hellish-afghan-deployment/

Gillenation

@endacl

Even if I was to join the national guard, I wouldn't get deployed since I wouldn't be a citizen.

Tom Dunne

Time for a dose of reality, from somebody who has always wanted to live and work in the US.

I've over 15 years in the IT industry, with a BSc and a MSc in the field. I've worked for US multinationals and I've worked in the US in a number of locations as an internal transfer.

And I'm still living in Ireland.

Since you won't listen to what people are telling you, let's turn it around.

Why would the US National Guard or NYPD hire somebody from outside the US when there are so many unemployed US citizens? Why would they hire a foreigner (and you are a foreigner, so drop any misty-eyed notion of them giving preference to Irish people) with all the associated security risks and inability to perform solid background checks?

So get yourself an education, go visit the US on a J1 visa (assuming Trump doesn't get rid of them), experience the country and then take it from there.

Loveinapril

Am I missing something here? What makes being a member of AGS and NYPD that different to each other, other than location?

helimachoptor

Loveinapril wrote: »

Am I missing something here? What makes being a member of AGS and NYPD that different to each other, other than location?

One is glorified on various TV programmes and looks a lot better than it is in real life.

Op go to NYC. It's not like TV.

Fred Swanson

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lawred2

Gillenation wrote: »

@Noo

I might have a chance with a software engineering company (I code in my free time). I've done contract work for them in the past, successfully. The company is based in California, so if I got a green card from working there, would I be able to quit after a year or so, move to New York and work for the NYPD?

Paid contract work?

Who are they? And why are they contracting work out to 17 year olds thousands of miles away?

Fair play to you for getting picked up by them

Jodotman

Your best chance to get citizenship would be to go on a holiday to the U.S for a few months and hope some young wan wants to marry you. Probably the easiest way.

You also have a chance of citizenship if you have a college degree, apply for a company in Ireland with U.S connections and apply for jobs in their american office.

I think you can join the army as well and get your citizenship this way. (Open to correction on this)

Even you get all this you probably still won't get into the NYPD. Its not like I want to work for the NYPD so I have the job. Theres probably tens of thousands applying every year.

Fred Swanson

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the whole year inn

lawred2 wrote: »

Paid contract work?

Who are they? And why are they contracting work out to 17 year olds thousands of miles away?

Fair play to you for getting picked up by them

Seems odd to me,if you were really that good at development then want to be a Police Officer. Fair enough might not like it but cash money to be made espically if you have a talent for it.

Cupatae

Jesus fair amount of angry people on here with the passive aggressive replies!

God forbid someone be young and have a wild notion or dream and try follow it! how dare they!!!

To the OP you would be looking at a fair mountain to climb, ud have to get a green card and as far as i know be a citizen for x amount of time which would mean ud have to be living and working away over there before even attempting to join it..id imagine there d be a few more obstacles, you wont be able to join the national guard or any military either.. without a green card, it would certainly be a long long expensive road..be fairly ****in cool to work a job like that in new york tho id imagine!

best of luck with it anyway..as much of a long shot as it is!

Ponster

Cupatae wrote: »

Jesus fair amount of angry people on here with the passive aggressive replies!

I hope that the OP is a troll and that the replies suspected it.

The question is so out of this world that they may have asked our advice on becoming the president of China. Many of us here have lived and worked in the US and understand how difficult it is. when people ask for advice on moving there they get the same answers, preparing them for the work and luck that it'll involve. Asking how to move to the US to join the NYPD is a joke and the OP don't deserve passive aggressive replies but a wake-up call to what they are even suggesting.

the whole year inn

Ponster wrote: »

I hope that the OP is a troll and that the replies suspected it.

The question is so out of this world that they may have asked our advice on becoming the president of China. Many of us here have lived and worked in the US and understand how difficult it is. when people ask for advice on moving there they get the same answers, preparing them for the work and luck that it'll involve. Asking how to move to the US to join the NYPD is a joke and the OP don't deserve passive aggressive replies but a wake-up call to what they are even suggesting.

Yea I called him on it especially when he said he mentioned software development. No one deserves insults or put downs and I wish the op the best of luck, but the op is naive and young 18 I think.
Sort of hope it's not a troll as need more people to reach and push boundaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFXASv2lSfQ

BorneTobyWilde

He could start dating an American and maybe end up marrying one.
He would be allowed live there then?
I don't think even Trump would take away the rights of Americans to marry who they want.

AndyBoBandy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't think even Trump would take away the rights of Americans to marry who they want.

Let's not count chickens just yet.....

the whole year inn

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Let's not count chickens just yet.....

Better marry Ivanka Trump just to be sure.

mad m

@OP

You have a dream, might be out of your reach but you have advise from others here what way to go about it.

1. Get your leaving out of way first .
2. Lottery/J1 ?
3. Do a bit of travelling experience the world a bit even if it's in the US.
4. Get yourself a degree.
5. No harm in dreaming and best of luck with it.

Fred Swanson

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BorneTobyWilde

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That level would be reasonable though
Not crazy high.

Fred Swanson

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the whole year inn

Any update on this op?