English car speeding

Lagertha

I'm very annoyed with myself!

Was driving bang on the speed limit for an hour and then sped up slightly as the car behind me was driving right up the back of my car (not blaming her!). Suddenly saw a speed van. Looked at the speedo and was doing just shy of 70mph in a 100kmph zone.

The kmph on that car is digital (the mph is on a clock) and had 100kmph equalling 63/64 mph. My question is... at that speed am I likely to be done for speeding? I was driving a UK reg car (and I have a UK licence). Can I get points on my licence or is it just a fine (or can the vans even track me down when it's not an Irish car)?

From what I can see online I might get a fine and then points held on a dummy licence that'll become active if I change to an Irish licence in the future (I live in the UK at the moment so no immediate need to swap licences). I've looked through loads of threads but there's a lot of conflicting info and most of it isn't very recent.

Can anyone shed any light please? I'm o ly concerned because of the price of insurance in the UK for me going up significantly every single year since I'm moved there anyway (no points, fines, convictions, claims etc to date) so having points would make it ridiculous!

Thanks!

outinthefields

100kph is 62.2mph so yes the van clocked you. You may get a postal fine sent to your English address but points cannot be added to your licence yet. I think the law changes next year to allow points be added to any European or British licence for offences committed within the state.

Fred Swanson

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Fred Swanson

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bladespin

Would require much more than just a change in our law.

OP, it's unlikely anything more will come of this.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Chances are you won't hear anything. They allow 9kmh in all zones so your good to 109kmh and speedos read conservatively so even though yours read over 115, the chances are you were actually only doing 107/108kmph. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

topmanamillion

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Chances are you won't hear anything. They allow 9kmh in all zones so your good to 109kmh and speedos read conservatively so even though yours read over 115, the chances are you were actually only doing 107/108kmph. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

More Bullsh1t. I have a friend who is constantly made fun of for her slow driving and was done for doing 52 KM/H in a 50 zone. If you're over you're over. The days of winks and nudges and ah shur you're only X over are well gone.

outinthefields

outinthefields wrote: »

100kph is 62.2mph so yes the van clocked you. You may get a postal fine sent to your English address but points cannot be added to your licence yet. I think the law changes next year to allow points be added to any European or British licence for offences committed within the state.

100kph on the clock is closer to 90kph in reality so if you are 10kmh over on the clock you are probably at the limit. Even over the limit they have to give some leeway also

SmartinMartin

A foreign car will not be followed up on. As Tony would say, feggedabowdit.

TheChizler

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

speedos read conservatively so even though yours read over 115, the chances are you were actually only doing 107/108kmph. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

This is repeated often but many speedos are more accurate than you might think and will vary from car to car. Always check your own speedo against a sat nav or calibrated speedo before driving at 135 thinking you're only doing 120!

Charles Babbage

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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This is not true.

pa990

topmanamillion wrote: »

More Bullsh1t. I have a friend who is constantly made fun of for her slow driving and was done for doing 52 KM/H in a 50 zone. If you're over you're over. The days of winks and nudges and ah shur you're only X over are well gone.

A ticket for 2km/h over... I call bullshīt on this

DanWall

topmanamillion wrote: »

More Bullsh1t. I have a friend who is constantly made fun of for her slow driving and was done for doing 52 KM/H in a 50 zone. If you're over you're over. The days of winks and nudges and ah shur you're only X over are well gone.

The equipment isn't accurate enough for that amount

vandriver

Dean Grumpy Mullet wrote: »

100kph on the clock is closer to 90kph in reality so if you are 10kmh over on the clock you are probably at the limit. Even over the limit they have to give some leeway also

What exactly do you base this on?
I know in my van,the speedometer was within 1 mph of the satnav all the way up the range to over 110 mph.

Falcon L

My understanding is that there is no information sharing arrangement between Ireland and the UK regarding driving offences. I believe this to be true because if there was, I'd have a pile of UK speeding fines that I could use as a chair.

There is talk of this changing though.

Jayop

If they're doing people for being 2kmph over the limit then we may all give up. Are you supposed to stare at your speedo or concentrate on the road?

GM228

Falcon L wrote: »

My understanding is that there is no information sharing arrangement between Ireland and the UK regarding driving offences. I believe this to be true because if there was, I'd have a pile of UK speeding fines that I could use as a chair.

There is talk of this changing though.

Information sharing has been in operation between the DVLA and Shannon since March 2010 (between the Republic and NI only initially) on a trial basis but has since been extended indefinately.

Information sharing on any offence applies to NI, information sharing on disqualification applies to the UK.

My brother had my car for a week back in September. Told me after a few days I might get a letter in the post. He said he was doing just under 70mph on the speedo when he passed the go safe van on a 100kmph road.

Have heard nothing since.

pa990

topmanamillion wrote: »

More Bullsh1t. I have a friend who is constantly made fun of for her slow driving and was done for doing 52 KM/H in a 50 zone. If you're over you're over. The days of winks and nudges and ah shur you're only X over are well gone.

X = 8kmh

9kmh = ticket

Thus Y=9

pa990

I'm waiting for day when I'm stupid enough to get caught by a GoSafe van.

1: the range is rediculasly short
2: the way they are currently set up means that almost every ticket can be successfully challenged. (Mikeecho has posted literature here that proves that the system is being used in contradiction to the manufactures guidelines, causing readings that can result in an unsafe conviction)

Just use the search function people

evlgmaojr27ypu

An interesting article from the Irish times this morning - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/speeding-drivers-escape-court-appearance-as-summons-not-served-35324541.html

One would imagine that if they weren't summoned for a court appearance, they prob didn't get the fine too ?? Assuming they use the same source for getting your details.

ShaunieVW

I was done for doing 109 in a 100 zone by a cop with a speed gun. All because I was driving the OHs car which had L plates up and he had the sarg in the car apparently??? My luck really ran out that day!

steveshort

Go safe vans are a joke.
Their opperated by a private company, and like any business their objectives are to make money. This is not how are roads should be policed. The vans should be a deterrent and if they are successful then no one would get caught speeding, but this would not be profitable for a private company.
If I was unlucky enough too be caught by one of these vans id simply send the fine too a different country , it would sicken me to give money to a private company who use road safety as an excuse to profiteer from the already screwed motorist.

runawaybishop

steveshort wrote: »

Go safe vans are a joke.
Their opperated by a private company, and like any business their objectives are to make money. This is not how are roads should be policed. The vans should be a deterrent and if they are successful then no one would get caught speeding, but this would not be profitable for a private company.
If I was unlucky enough too be caught by one of these vans id simply send the fine too a different country , it would sicken me to give money to a private company who use road safety as an excuse to profiteer from the already screwed motorist.

They operate on a fixed payment, they don't get any extra money for catching more people. They are also only in place where accidents have occured, are signposted and have very very short detection ranges.

bladespin

Charles Babbage wrote:

This is not true.

Correct but you have to ask the question if it is worth all the extra effort for a minor offence.

bladespin

steveshort wrote:

it would sicken me to give money to a private company who use road safety as an excuse to profiteer from the already screwed motorist.

You do understand that Gosafe don't actually receive the 'fines', they just process.

steveshort

runawaybishop wrote: »

They operate on a fixed payment, they don't get any extra money for catching more people. They are also only in place where accidents have occured, are signposted and have very very short detection ranges.

I see these vans regularly in my locality and the places where they hide, these are not accident black spots, id doubt if any accidents aver happened at some locations. And as for the signs, I dont think they need to operate within these anymore.
As their described on the radio "flash for cash"
Notting too do with road safety.

steveshort

bladespin wrote: »

You do understand that Gosafe don't actually receive the 'fines', they just process.

Fair point
But if they where successful in eliminating speeding then there would be no speeding to process and there for surely no revenue stream for the private company.

runawaybishop

steveshort wrote: »

I see these vans regularly in my locality and the places where they hide, these are not accident black spots, id doubt if any accidents aver happened at some locations. And as for the signs, I dont think they need to operate within these anymore.
As their described on the radio "flash for cash"
Notting too do with road safety.

Every single place they operate in was selected in conjunction with the RSA based on data from accidents. All the locations are freely available online and are signposted. "Flash for cash" is not accurate, maybe "fines for speeding" doesn't have the same ring though.

gutteruu

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This is not true.

It is true. Go Safe tickets cannot issue fines to foreign registered vehicles. There was an article from Ennis court about 3 years ago where a go safe director stated it to a judge. (couldn't be arsed looking for link) As far as I remember they also can't issue tickets to cars which have another vehicle in the picture.

steveshort

runawaybishop wrote: »

Every single place they operate in was selected in conjunction with the RSA based on data from accidents. All the locations are freely available online and are signposted. "Flash for cash" is not accurate, maybe "fines for speeding" doesn't have the same ring though.

That may be so but I know where I have seen them and they look more like good places to catch someone speeding rather then stop someone speeding.
I also can think of places where accidents have happened and I have never seen these vans here.

runawaybishop

steveshort wrote: »

That may be so but I know where I have seen them and they look more like good places to catch someone speeding rather then stop someone speeding.
I also can think of places where accidents have happened and I have never seen these vans here.

Pretending for a second they just operate where they can catch people- they are still signposted, marked in a luminous paint job and have really short detection ranges. You also need to be speeding and not paying attention to get caught.

Also worth noting they can only set up in safe locations where they can park off road and still maintain sightlines.

bladespin

runawaybishop wrote:

Every single place they operate in was selected in conjunction with the RSA based on data from accidents. All the locations are freely available online and are signposted.

Semi factual, the roads they operate on were selected on road death stats but 'where' on these roads is up to the operator, often this is nowhere near the actual black spot reducing effectiveness imo.
Locations are freely available.

runawaybishop

bladespin wrote: »

Semi factual, the roads they operate on were selected on road death stats but 'where' on these roads is up to the operator, often this is nowhere near the actual black spot reducing effectiveness imo.
Locations are freely available.

Yeah, but that is due to safety concerns. They can't set up safely in many of the actual death spots because they are too dangerous.

GM228

gutteruu wrote: »

It is true. Go Safe tickets cannot issue fines to foreign registered vehicles. There was an article from Ennis court about 3 years ago where a go safe director stated it to a judge. (couldn't be arsed looking for link) As far as I remember they also can't issue tickets to cars which have another vehicle in the picture.

They currently can for NI registered vehicles only, from 6 May 2017 they will be able to for all EU countries.

bladespin

So they're therefore not serving their supposed purpose

Very ably demonstrated when you see them sitting on the side of the N7 near j14 etc, motorways can hardly be described as part of the problem they're supposed to tackle.

runawaybishop

bladespin wrote: »

So they're therefore not serving their supposed purpose

Says who, you? The number of deaths in the country have dropped massively since the introduction of the current raft of methods, one of which is go safe vans.

bladespin

Stats suggest otherwise, increasing again. I'd also suggest the vans deserve little credit for any drop.

As usual here a good idea badly implemented.

Fred Swanson

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GM228

Fred Swanson wrote: »

And yer man in Latvia can safely bin anything he receives from Ireland safe in the knowledge it cannot be enforced in Latvia.

Fines will be enforceable under the EUs principle of mutual recognition to financial penalties from May when Ireland implements the EU cross-border enforcement directive, it is already in place for most of the EU with Ireland, the UK and Denmark completing the EU line up from May.

GM228

bladespin wrote: »

Stats suggest otherwise, increasing again. I'd also suggest the vans deserve little credit for any drop.

As usual here a good idea badly implemented.

A study by Derek Rafferty - DTTAS/MSc EPS- Trinity College has concluded that the GoSafe operation has saved 23 lives per year in their "Life Savers not Revenue Earners" study.

Summary here:-
http://www.dublineconomics.com/papers/9905.pdf

endacl

pa990 wrote: »

A ticket for 2km/h over... I call bullshīt on this

I dunno....

I got my one and only ticket for 6 over 80 about 5 years ago.

iwillhtfu

DanWall wrote: »

The equipment isn't accurate enough for that amount

I got caught doing 56 in a 50 at hyno harris there passed the red cow I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting clocked for closer than that.

I think the 10% rule is a load of BS but I'd guess the Gardai are a bit more conservative in who the chase. The vans are indiscriminate.

Kiwi John

Did get a speeding fine from France (caught on a go safe style van) two years ago sent to my Irish address.

Fred Swanson

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joeysoap

GM228 wrote: »

Fines will be enforceable under the EUs principle of mutual recognition to financial penalties from May when Ireland implements the EU cross-border enforcement directive, it is already in place for most of the EU with Ireland, the UK and Denmark completing the EU line up from May.

Drive from Dundalk to Dublin on the MI and you will notice most cars over the limit are NI reg. unless they are pulled by the Garda they pretty much have free reign. (Easy to spot - they stay in the overtaking lane)

Brexit?

Rubberchikken

they give ticket for 9 kph over so why not 2? the days of letting people off once they slip over the actual limit should be gone and if it hasn't, then the sooner it goes the better. just saying.

bladespin

GM228 wrote:

A study by Derek Rafferty - DTTAS/MSc EPS- Trinity College has concluded that the GoSafe operation has saved 23 lives per year in their "Life Savers not Revenue Earners" study.

It's a flawed study, the assumptions state this.

joeysoap

ShaunieVW wrote: »

I was done for doing 109 in a 100 zone by a cop with a speed gun. All because I was driving the OHs car which had L plates up and he had the sarg in the car apparently??? My luck really ran out that day!

Unlucky maybe, you were 9kph over the limit and having 'caught' you the officer was unlikely to ignore it. I was stopped once literally yards inside a 40mph zone exiting a town. Garda asked me was I 'aware' I was doing 41 in 40 zone. He then went round the car checking lights, tyres car tax (pre not and insurance disc*) before saying I could go.

* wtf is that about? In NI you have nothing on your windscreen, cops can tell if you are taxed and insured and DOE by scanning your number plate. When you sell the car you get a refund and the new owner has to tax immediately.

GM228

bladespin wrote: »

It's a flawed study, the assumptions state this.

How is it flawed?

Regression to the mean is eliminated or severely diluted meaning more accurate results.

Del2005

runawaybishop wrote: »

Yeah, but that is due to safety concerns. They can't set up safely in many of the actual death spots because they are too dangerous.

The places where deaths occurred beside me are on dual carriage ways with wide open sight lines, the GoSafe vans setup around the corner where there have been no deaths but easier to hide.