The first victim of war is truth, this angers me.

indy_man

Why is the corporate media lying to us on Syria? These are independent journalists who have by their own money spent time in Syria talking to many sides of the conflict and presenting their findings.

If you think you know what is going on in Syria then please watch these. Then let me know what you think the truth is and if you feel the truth is important.

Please don't give me the line these are too long to watch. The so called moderates on the side of the US are behedding 12 year olds. This is important!

Renegade Mechanic

Lol, wait until you hear the stories the victor tells. It's far from just the first victim

BunkMoreland

Insert relax it's Christmas comment here

arybvtcw0eolkf

Relax, its Christmas.

Palmach

indy_man wrote: »

Why is the corporate media lying to us on Syria? These are independent journalists who have by their own money spent time in Syria talking to many sides of the conflict and presenting their findings.

If you think you know what is going on in Syria then please watch these. Then let me know what you think the truth is and if you feel the truth is important.

Please don't give me the line these are too long to watch. The so called moderates on the side of the US are behedding 12 year olds. This is important!

Another thread where "independent" journalists are given credence. They usually have done and tend to dabble in wild conspiracy theories.

The flying mouse

I going to the pub...

jacksie66

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Renegade Mechanic

Palmach wrote: »

Another thread where "independent" journalists are given credence. They usually have done and tend to dabble in wild conspiracy theories.

Aye, can't wait for "fake news" to be made illegal in 2017.

The_Valeyard

I thought Alfred Marder was a communist

The Backwards Man

Never believe anyone who has to announce that they're telling the 'truth'.

Every single source has a bias, be that me or you or a massive news outlet. By claiming you're telling the truth in its entirety you've automatically proven that you're not.

Flint Fredstone

Hey guys, stop believing the unverifiable mainstream news and start believing the unverifiable independent news.

biko

Hey, I found some videos you should all watch.

archer22

Palmach wrote: »

Another thread where "independent" journalists are given credence. They usually have done and tend to dabble in wild conspiracy theories.

That' s only your conspiracy theory

Pac1Man

Wallace and Gromit is on.

arybvtcw0eolkf

'Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear' ~ Bruce Lee.

brian_t

It will be another hour before we start getting posts from folk who have actually watched both videos.

Ted111

What if the war is initiated by the shooting of an enemy soldier.
Then that soldier is the first victim.

The bullet moves faster than information, true or otherwise.

So you're wrong OP.

HA HA!

weldoninhio

Ted111 wrote: »

What if the war is initiated by the shooting of an enemy soldier.
Then that soldier is the first victim.

The bullet moves faster than information, true or otherwise.

So you're wrong OP.

HA HA!

Telling one soldier that another is the enemy when war hasn't even broken out yet would be a lie, so it's back to the truth being the first victim.

Flint Fredstone

"Mainstream media is all lies and the people are all sheep for blindly following it"

"Where did you hear that?"

"Some anonymous guy with a Facebook page"

RobertKK

Under Assad controlled Syria before the war we did not have a migrant crisis.
It was with the rebels who are most backward that the mass migrant crisis started.

Just remember how we were told that Slobodan Milosevic was a genocidal maniac which allowed Serbia to be attacked, and Kosovo to be an issue - Kosovo currently a source of terrorism in Europe.
Then after the death of Milosevic, The Hague found he was innocent of the charges brought against him.
The war launched by Bill Clinton was based on propaganda and lies.

We are subject to similar lies again and again, Iraq was lies, the war against Libya was based on lies.

We saw in the recent US elections how close certain sections of the mainstream media were very close to the Clinton camp.
When you have hand in gloves, it is easy to give the public lies and to avoid reporting news that doesn't suit the political agenda.

The west is not as free as we like to think we are, we are being fed by the media a news that is there to suit a political aim or cause.
I think over time the situation is getting worse.

MRnotlob606

None of us knowhat is truly going on in Syria. The only way you can really know is through lived experience. There are posters here who will tell try tell how it is but really a lot of them are talking ****e.

indy_man

Millions displaced, 500,000+ killed, Children and adults beheaded, some in front of their families, unspeakable atrocities.

AND STILL PEOPLE MAKE JOKES. Please have some respect.

CINCLANTFLT

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

"Mainstream media is all lies and the people are all sheep for blindly following it"

"Where did you hear that?"

"Some anonymous guy with a Facebook page"

Good enough for me... I'm off to thrash the local newspaper offices!!!! Well I might have some turkey sandwiches first!

Palmach

brian_t wrote: »

It will be another hour before we start getting posts from folk who have actually watched both videos.

I have watched the second one. The so-called journalist is plain wrong.

Palmach

RobertKK wrote: »

Under Assad controlled Syria before the war we did not have a migrant crisis.
It was with the rebels who are most backward that the mass migrant crisis started.

Just remember how we were told that Slobodan Milosevic was a genocidal maniac which allowed Serbia to be attacked, and Kosovo to be an issue - Kosovo currently a source of terrorism in Europe.
Then after the death of Milosevic, The Hague found he was innocent of the charges brought against him.
The war launched by Bill Clinton was based on propaganda and lies.

We are subject to similar lies again and again, Iraq was lies, the war against Libya was based on lies.

We saw in the recent US elections how close certain sections of the mainstream media were very close to the Clinton camp.
When you have hand in gloves, it is easy to give the public lies and to avoid reporting news that doesn't suit the political agenda.

The west is not as free as we like to think we are, we are being fed by the media a news that is there to suit a political aim or cause.
I think over time the situation is getting worse.

You have a link for this yes?

Ted111

weldoninhio wrote: »

Telling one soldier that another is the enemy when war hasn't even broken out yet would be a lie, so it's back to the truth being the first victim.

What if the soldier fired his gun accidentally triggering the war - so no one told him anything. If he wasn't told anything then he can't be told a lie.

Hande hoche!

Palmach wrote: »

You have a link for this yes?

Here's some differing viewpoints:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-the-ictys-surprise-ruling/

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/08/slobodan-milosevic-hero-160823124808287.html

AnGaelach

indy_man wrote: »

Why is the corporate media lying to us on Syria? These are independent journalists who have by their own money spent time in Syria talking to many sides of the conflict and presenting their findings.

Any time I see something in block capitals, or claiming to be the TRUTH or that it is EXPOSING something, I immediately turn off because chances are it's a quack video from the same people who think Gaddafi is alive on Mars.

RobertKK

Palmach wrote: »

You have a link for this yes?

http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague has quietly cleared the late Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, of war crimes committed during the 1992-95 Bosnian war, including the massacre at Srebrenica.

Far from conspiring with the convicted Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, Milosevic actually "condemned ethnic cleansing", opposed Karadzic and tried to stop the war that dismembered Yugoslavia. Buried near the end of a 2,590 page judgement on Karadzic last February, this truth further demolishes the propaganda that justified Nato's illegal onslaught on Serbia in 1999.

Milosevic died of a heart attack in 2006, alone in his cell in The Hague, during what amounted to a bogus trial by an American-invented "international tribunal". Denied heart surgery that might have saved his life, his condition worsened and was monitored and kept secret by US officials, as WikiLeaks has since revealed.

Milosevic was the victim of war propaganda that today runs like a torrent across our screens and newspapers and beckons great danger for us all. He was the prototype demon, vilified by the western media as the "butcher of the Balkans" who was responsible for "genocide", especially in the secessionist Yugoslav province of Kosovo. Prime Minister Tony Blair said so, invoked the Holocaust and demanded action against "this new Hitler". David Scheffer, the US ambassador-at-large for war crimes [sic], declared that as many as "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59" may have been murdered by Milosevic's forces.

This was the justification for Nato's bombing, led by Bill Clinton and Blair, that killed hundreds of civilians in hospitals, schools, churches, parks and television studios and destroyed Serbia's economic infrastructure. It was blatantly ideological; at a notorious "peace conference" in Rambouillet in France, Milosevic was confronted by Madeleine Albright, the US secretary of state, who was to achieve infamy with her remark that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children were "worth it".

Albright delivered an "offer" to Milosevic that no national leader could accept. Unless he agreed to the foreign military occupation of his country, with the occupying forces "outside the legal process", and to the imposition of a neo-liberal "free market", Serbia would be bombed. This was contained in an "Appendix B", which the media failed to read or suppressed. The aim was to crush Europe's last independent "socialist" state.

Once Nato began bombing, there was a stampede of Kosovar refugees "fleeing a holocaust". When it was over, international police teams descended on Kosovo to exhume the victims of the "holocaust". The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines". The final count of the dead in Kosovo was 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the pro-Nato Kosovo Liberation Front. There was no genocide. The Nato attack was both a fraud and a war crime.

All but a fraction of America's vaunted "precision guided" missiles hit not military but civilian targets, including the news studios of Radio Television Serbia in Belgrade. Sixteen people were killed, including cameramen, producers and a make-up artist. Blair described the dead, profanely, as part of Serbia's "command and control". In 2008, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, Carla Del Ponte, revealed that she had been pressured not to investigate Nato's crimes.

This was the model for Washington's subsequent invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and, by stealth, Syria. All qualify as "paramount crimes" under the Nuremberg standard; all depended on media propaganda. While tabloid journalism played its traditional part, it was serious, credible, often liberal journalism that was the most effective - the evangelical promotion of Blair and his wars by the Guardian, the incessant lies about Saddam Hussein's non-existent weapons of mass destruction in the Observer and the New York Times, and the unerring drumbeat of government propaganda by the BBC in the silence of its omissions.

Skommando

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Every single source has a bias, be that me or you or a massive news outlet. By claiming you're telling the truth in its entirety you've automatically proven that you're not.

Sounds exactly like what someone who prefers to deny the truth would say . . .

Renegade Mechanic

RobertKK wrote: »

http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media

Hah, propaganda used to be what was broadcast. Now it's what isn't.