Why do idiots drink and drive?

smelly sock

Just a simple question folks. I'd like to hear different views on it.

I think the attached article is shocking. AGS still catching people in this day and age.

Why do people think it's worth it?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-arrest-24-drinkdrivers-a-day-since-beginning-of-december-35301599.html

c_meth

smelly sock wrote: »

Just a simple question folks. I'd like to hear different views on it.

I think the attached article is shocking. AGS still catching people in this day and age.

Why do people think it's worth it?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-arrest-24-drinkdrivers-a-day-since-beginning-of-december-35301599.html

Because I'm fine to drive after a few drinks. I know how many I can handle before I'm able to drive. Plus I drive more carefully after a few drinks. The roads are quiet out here in the countryside when I'm on the way home. And, most importantly, how am I meant to get home after a feed of pints? *







*this is why...

weisses

Sorry ... having a drink now will app you a proper answer on my way home ....

People do all kinds of stuff they shouldn't do while and before driving ... Its just human nature I Guess

smelly sock

Forget about killing yourself and anyone else. Just think about being caught by the garda, losing your license and a court appearance.

Is it really worth the risk? Always a chance you will get caught.

Cortina_MK_IV

I've heard, "I drive better after a few drinks." And used to play football with this bellend that thought it was great that he could get stopped after a few pints (he said he'd had 12) and got waved on. Granted that was a long time back but that mindset still exists.

Alcohol lowers the inhibitions so you become a great singer, a comedian, look like George Clooney and yill be grand driving home.

bucketybuck

You had your answer by the third word of the thread title, new record?

smelly sock

bucketybuck wrote: »

You had your answer by the third word of the thread title, new record?

HUH? What answer?

Drink driving kills innocent people. Look at the treacys who lost their young lad to a fella who had at least 8 pints of cider. They are currently fronting the rsa campaign.

Anyone here think that that guys driving wasn't affected by alcohol? Anyone still think it's a risk worth taking?

smelly sock

smelly sock wrote: »

HUH? What answer?

Drink driving kills innocent people. Look at the treacys who lost their young lad to a fella who had at least 8 pints of cider. They are currently fronting the rsa campaign.

Anyone here think that that guys driving wasn't affected by alcohol? Anyone still think it's a risk worth taking?

"idiots"

smelly sock

bluewolf wrote: »

"idiots"

Spot on.

Rainman16

You have to get home from the bar. As long as you are still in control of yourself, personally I drive more carefully after a few. It's like playing pool or darts, you improve while drinking. Alcohol focuses your mind on the task at hand

Atlantic Dawn

There is noting funnier than when a drink driver crashes and no other cars are involved.

smelly sock

Rainman16 wrote: »

You have to get home from the bar. As long as you are still in control of yourself, personally I drive more carefully after a few. It's like playing pool or darts, you improve while drinking. Alcohol focuses your mind on the task at hand

The cop that pulls you over will take that into account of course.

Skommando

Pretty much they have the same mentality as the idiots who drive at killer speeds.
They both think they own the public road, it's not for sharing safely among everyone, and that rules for everyone, and the common good, don't apply to them, only other people.

Cortina_MK_IV

Rainman16 wrote: »

You have to get home from the bar. As long as you are still in control of yourself, personally I drive more carefully after a few. It's like playing pool or darts, you improve while drinking. Alcohol focuses your mind on the task at hand

hullaballoo

I was just discussing this with a colleague and I reckon a large proportion of arrests for DD are made the morning/day after a big night. People feel fine but are actually still under the influence and will get themselves caught out that way. Unless you have access to a very good breathalyser at home, it's near impossible to tell whether you will pass/fail a roadside test.

Of course, the high horse brigade will say don't drive the next day if you haven't allowed enough time to process the alcohol but for many reasons, you may or may not have processed the alcohol in your system at the rate the RSA advertise. You also may not accurately be able to predict how much alcohol you consumed, as different people will pour different sized measures of whatever your spirit of choice is, including wine and including where ostensibly using a measure.

smelly sock

hullaballoo wrote: »

I was just discussing this with a colleague and I reckon a large proportion of arrests for DD are made the morning/day after a big night. People feel fine but are actually still under the influence and will get themselves caught out that way. Unless you have access to a very good breathalyser at home, it's near impossible to tell whether you will pass/fail a roadside test.

Of course, the high horse brigade will say don't drive the next day if you haven't allowed enough time to process the alcohol but for many reasons, you may or may not have processed the alcohol in your system at the rate the RSA advertise. You also may not accurately be able to predict how much alcohol you consumed, as different people will pour different sized measures of whatever your spirit of choice is, including wine and including where ostensibly using a measure.

The day after is a funny one for me though.are we talking about someone who has finished drinking at 330am and decides to drive at 800am? That's as bad as driving leaving the pub for me.

I just don't think you can take the risk the morning after either these days. Whatever about getting bagged the next morning if you are in an accident you are really screwed.

RayCun

smelly sock wrote: »

Just a simple question folks. I'd like to hear different views on it.

I think the attached article is shocking. AGS still catching people in this day and age.

Why do people think it's worth it?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-arrest-24-drinkdrivers-a-day-since-beginning-of-december-35301599.html

Some people are selfish ****s, some people are morons, some people are both.

Shapey Fiend

If you live in a remote area there's always a temptation to say you'll chance it because you'll have to get a taxi home and then back to collect your car. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions so you can end up making excuses for yourself.

We live in a very low risk society where the odds of us dying violently have never been statistically lower so people also act recklessly speeding, drinking or texting to meet their own particular risk threshold which is different for everybody. Not very fair to whoever you might end up being in an accident with of course.

Sleeper12

smelly sock wrote:

Forget about killing yourself and anyone else. Just think about being caught by the garda, losing your license and a court appearance.

There's people doing this 40 or 50 years and never been caught. The chances of being caught are too small to discourage some people. Then you have judges saying I won't ban you yet till you find a good woman.
If caught it should be automatically banned and must pass driving test again. Possibly even the advanced test. Maybe send them out with the fire crews to help hose down the road after midnight crashes

Stealthfins

Ban them all from driving indefinitely.

I think there should be zero tolerance for drink driving,even if the say they have a drink problem and are now on a 12 step program.

It's usually the type of person who thinks they're a sound man or woman who decides to drink drive.....sure I know whoever or do you know who I am etc

smelly sock

I'd go as far as to say if they are caught well over the limit they should be made engage with the probation services also, take regular urine tests to ensure they have not been drinking etc. They obviously love their few pints.hit them where it hurts in that regard.

Ban them for 24 months. Prison sentence then for repeat offenders. Get them off the road and make it a safer environment.

howamidifferent

How about instead of wasting Garda time, we spend a fraction of that money providing public transport in rural areas at set times of the evening that could be relied upon to get you home.

RayCun

howamidifferent wrote: »

How about instead of wasting Garda time, we spend a fraction of that money providing public transport in rural areas at set times of the evening that could be relied upon to get you home.

There is no way that could be done at any reasonable cost.
Share a taxi, or have a designated driver.

howamidifferent

Surely cheaper to have a bus driver sitting around than a squad car with two or more Garda.???

doolox

I am a firm believer in the power of Architecture and the message it gives to people. Why are there large off road car parks adjacent to country pubs? This gives the wrong message that it is sorta alright to have a few pints and then drive home especially if there is no other business such as a shop, hotel or restaurant near the pub. These pub car parks should be visited nightly by traffic cops and ALL exiting car drivers checked for alcohol. This rarely happens.

I see several of these rural road houses on my travels through Meath, Kildare and North Co. Dublin and I wonder how they can do any trade at all.

Public transport should be provided after events such as parties etc. like they do in other more organised countries I have been to where mini van transport can be obtained for groups for an extra fiver or so...at least get you to your resident estate and off the often unlit roads of rural areas.

Why do busses in Cities stop at 11.00 pm when pubs stay open until 12.00 am?

RayCun

howamidifferent wrote: »

Surely cheaper to have a bus driver sitting around than a squad car with two or more Garda.???

Is there a squad car for every pub in the country every night of the week?

smelly sock

Gas a lot for these good country folk. They are great at community policing. Every house and Lane i see has a " community text alert area" poster visible. I wonder how many of these drink and drive.

Be it country or town if you see someone drink driving report them.

mcneil

smelly sock wrote: »

Forget about killing yourself and anyone else. Just think about being caught by the garda, losing your license and a court appearance.

Is it really worth the risk? Always a chance you will get caught.

You only kill yourself or someone else if your not careful and driving to fast. I know people who are extra careful when drinking and driving and have never had an accident in the 30 yrs on the road. Drink driving isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Yes sometimes some real idiots decided to get really drunk, drive to fast and lose control and kill themselves or someone else. This doesn't mean everyone who drinks or drives will do this!

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Dangerous irresponsible nonsense.
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RayCun

mcneil wrote: »

You only kill yourself or someone else if your not careful and driving to fast. I know people who are extra careful when drinking and driving and have never had an accident in the 30 yrs on the road. Drink driving isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Yes sometimes some real idiots decided to get really drunk, drive to fast and lose control and kill themselves or someone else. This doesn't mean everyone who drinks or drives will do this!

No, some of them just get lucky/

Drinking slows your reactions and makes you over-confident. You think you are in control but you're not.

As I said, selfish ****s, morons, and both.

newacc2015

howamidifferent wrote: »

How about instead of wasting Garda time, we spend a fraction of that money providing public transport in rural areas at set times of the evening that could be relied upon to get you home.

Or here is an even cheaper option for the taxpayer, dont allow the building of one off housing that can't be serviced by public transport. If you want to the pleasure of drinking and taking the bus home, live in a city. Dont expect city dwellers who pay your ridiculous lifestyle to pay more as you feel entitled to a bus service.

Do you know the buses and other public transport stop in Dublin at around 11.30pm? Dubliners with a feed of drink dont drive home. We either dont drink, have a designated driver or take a taxi.

There is an acceptability to drink driving in the countryside that doesnt exist in major cities in Ireland. As a Dub, I have never seen a friend/family member drink drive as it is completely unacceptable. Where as I have relatives in the countryside whose neighbours all drink drive and its seen as grand

mcneil

RayCun wrote: »

No, some of them just get lucky/

Drinking slows your reactions and makes you over-confident. You think you are in control but you're not.

As I said, selfish ****s, morons, and both.

What about sugar and caffeine making us speed up abit. Thinks it's time to ban tgese as well when driving

smelly sock

mcneil wrote: »

What about sugar and caffeine making us speed up abit. Thinks it's time to ban tgese as well when driving

Why do the rsa recommend having a small break and a cup of coffee when tired if driving?

What expertise do you have?

mcneil

newacc2015 wrote: »

Or here is an even cheaper option for the taxpayer, dont allow the building of one off housing that can't be serviced by public transport. If you want to the pleasure of drinking and taking the bus home, live in a city. Dont expect city dwellers who pay your ridiculous lifestyle to pay more as you feel entitled to a bus service.

Do you know the buses and other public transport stop in Dublin at around 11.30pm? Dubliners with a feed of drink dont drive home. We either dont drink, have a designated driver or take a taxi.

There is an acceptability to drink driving in the countryside that doesnt exist in major cities in Ireland. As a Dub, I have never seen a friend/family member drink drive as it is completely unacceptable. Where as I have relatives in the countryside whose neighbours all drink drive and its seen as grand

All I can do is LOL at the first paragraph!!! 😂😂😂😂. Not aloud to build a home because there's no bus route to take you home after a night out. Thank God you weren't the planner when I went for planning permission on my home. I've never heard anything so ridiculous bin my life

mcneil

smelly sock wrote: »

Why do the rsa recommend having a small break and a cup of coffee when tired if driving?

What expertise do you have?

Because it livens one up, make them very agitated, alert,hyper,anixety to name a few. Sure keep beating it into, you'll be grand. I've been in a car with my sister in-law who's been high in 7 cups of coffee and few bottles of lucozade, she's a maniac on the road when high as a kit on this stuff. When she's normal, drives perfect. It's frightening the difference in her when she's bate all that **** into her

smelly sock

mcneil wrote: »

Because it livens one up, make them very agitated, alert,hyper,anixety to name a few. Sure keep beating it into, you'll be grand. I've been in a car with my sister in-law who's been high in 7 cups of coffee and few bottles of lucozade, she's a maniac on the road when high as a kit on this stuff. When she's normal, drives perfect. It's frightening the difference in her when she's bate all that **** into her

Have you been drinking?

smelly sock

mcneil wrote: »

All I can do is LOL at the first paragraph!!! 😂😂😂😂. Not aloud to build a home because there's no bus route to take you home after a night out. Thank God you weren't the planner when I went for planning permission on my home. I've never heard anything so ridiculous bin my life

But you drink and drive?

One_Of_Shanks

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There is noting funnier than when a drink driver crashes and no other cars are involved.

I can think of a billion things funnier personally.
I'd never drink/drive and anyone who does is wrong but I wouldn't find it "funny" if anyone crashes personally.

There are other words. But not funny.

smelly sock

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I can think of a billion things funnier personally.
I'd never drink/drive and anyone who does is wrong but I wouldn't find it "funny" if anyone crashes personally.

There are other words. But not funny.

Karma is the word I'd use.

Chinasea

What is totally overlooked and equally as dangerous, is the huge amount of people smoking dope, and other so called recreational drugs driving. There was supposed to be a clamp down on this, but haven't ever heard it mentioned.

Also, I saw a guy getting his methadone shot at the little cubicle in Boots the other day with a motor bike helmet & gear on, and two minutes later off he drove.

One_Of_Shanks

smelly sock wrote: »

Karma is the word I'd use.

Well, it's a step up on "funny" I suppose.

4ensic15

mcneil wrote: »

All I can do is LOL at the first paragraph!!! ��������. Not aloud to build a home because there's no bus route to take you home after a night out. Thank God you weren't the planner when I went for planning permission on my home. I've never heard anything so ridiculous bin my life

Perfectly sensible reason for not allowing one off houses in the country.
Children in the areas have to be driven to school. It takes the postman hours to deliver a single letter to you. A helicopter has to be provided to get you to hospital, water pollution in the rivers and lands, the doctors spend hours on the roads visiting patients in isolated houses, the scenery in rural areas destroyed.
Whinging about broadband and television signals. A pox on your house.

Mod
There are other threads for these issues
Please keep to the topic

smelly sock

4ensic15 wrote: »

Perfectly sensible reason for not allowing one off houses in the country.
Children in the areas have to be driven to school. It takes the postman hours to deliver a single letter to you. A helicopter has to be provided to get you to hospital, water pollution in the rivers and lands, the doctors spend hours on the roads visiting patients in isolated houses, the scenery in rural areas destroyed.
Whinging about broadband and television signals. A pox on your house.

But they do have good community text alert group. Of course Drunken and dangerous drivers are exempt from being reported.

Discodog

Just as with the UK there will be a hard core of drivers that will still drink & drive.

The sentencing is totally wrong. If you are caught just over the limit & it's a first offence, I would impose 9 points. If you are caught, at more than twice the limit, I would ban you for life & impose a custodial sentence.

There is a world of difference in someone who tries to keep withing the law & someone who just doesn't care.

Cortina_MK_IV

The idiot count stands at 500 for Christmas so far up 34%.

More than 500 arrested for drink driving so far this Christmas
Arrests rise 34% in annual road safety initiative with 40 detained in last two days

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/more-than-500-arrested-for-drink-driving-so-far-this-christmas-1.2913945

smelly sock

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

The idiot count stands at 500 for Christmas so far up 34%.

Flabergasting. Really is.

Surely a process where a drIver is banned for drink drivinget should be made apply for a brand new license.ie theory test, 12 lessons and test.

Atlantic Dawn

Is it that there's more people drink driving or simply more people are being caught? Personally I would say it's more policing rather than more people actually taking the risk, is there any figures for how many people were tested this year against last year?

Gardaí should get a €50 One4All voucher for each drink driver they bring in.

Cortina_MK_IV

Figures up over the border also. Mentioned someone that couldn't get out of the car he was so p!ssed.

UTV wrote:

Police have said random checkpoints over this festive period are helping to catch more drink-drivers. Detection figures are up with 241 drivers caught over the limit between 24 November and 18 December - four more than last year.

Officers are saying many are still choosing to make the potentially deadly decision to get behind the wheel.

Chief Inspector Diane Pennington said: "If we stop you, we will breathalise you and if you give a positive reading you are going to have to face the consequences of that, which are huge."

Operations are being coordinated with An Garda Siochana to help keep border county roads safe. Police say it's simple - just one drink can impair your driving.

http://www.itv.com/news/utv/update/2016-12-21/checkpoints-helping-to-catch-festive-drink-drivers/

Denny_Crane

It's been said already but to add the cliche, familiarity breeds contempt.

How many people do you see on the phone, even worse texting or doing something else when driving? "Ah sure it'll be grand I know how to drive" etc. etc. My personal take on it is a drink driver is probably lower down the scale on the very scientific 'Denny Crane Scale of Motoring Morons' than someone texting. At least the he's looking at the road! That's not to imply than any of them should be driving at all just to underscore people don't see various things as a problem when they clearly are to anyone with two braincells to rub together.

Denny_Crane

It's been said already but to add the cliche, familiarity breeds contempt.

How many people do you see on the phone, even worse texting or doing something else when driving? "Ah sure it'll be grand I know how to drive" etc. etc. My personal take on it is a drink driver is probably lower down the scale on the very scientific 'Denny Crane Scale of Motoring Morons' than someone texting. At least the he's looking at the road! That's not to imply than any of them should be driving at all just to underscore people don't see various things as a problem when they clearly are to anyone with two braincells to rub together.

Wanderer78

Drinking is deeply engrained in our society, and probably always will be. Is it time for zero alcohol limits? Would this make any difference?

Wanderer78

Deedsie wrote:

Immature irresponsible drinkers, that's our problem.

I think it's a lot more complicated than that, drinking a lot of alcohol is just socially acceptable here, it isn't in some countries. I personally find it very embarrassing as I no longer drink, I get very odd looks and get asked strange things when i inform people of this, here and abroad. I also think we have a lot of undiagnosed mental health issues leading to alcohol dependencey in this country to.