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Conncht vs Wasps Sat 17th 17:30, Sportsground, SkySports

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    #272
    former total
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    connachta wrote: »
    I just realised refs can't stop the clock in case of ball retention, or even to give a card, in theory. Crazy.

    Yeeeesh

    They can and do stop the clock to issue a card.


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    #273
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    former total wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    I just realised refs can't stop the clock in case of ball retention, or even to give a card, in theory. Crazy.

    Yeeeesh

    They can and do stop the clock to issue a card.
    I know they do but according to what law? Quote it please


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    #274
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    connachta wrote: »
    former total wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    I just realised refs can't stop the clock in case of ball retention, or even to give a card, in theory. Crazy.

    Yeeeesh

    They can and do stop the clock to issue a card.
    I know they do but according to what law? Quote it please
    Precision : Besides the call TMO/assistant. A regular straight yellow


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    #275
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    connachta wrote: »
    I know they do but according to what law? Quote it please
    You've some neck asking people to quote laws when you haven't, despite repeated requests.

    Law 5: Time.


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    #276
    former total
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    connachta wrote: »
    I know they do but according to what law? Quote it please

    Why??? Jesus man.


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    #277
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    former total wrote: »
    Why??? Jesus man.
    Because he was asked the same thing and couldn't so he's trying to deflect. Pretty childish really.


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    #278
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    I know they do but according to what law? Quote it please
    You've some neck asking people to quote laws when you haven't, despite repeated requests.

    Law 5: Time.

    5.4 Time lost
    Time lost may be due to the following:
    (a)
    Injury. The referee may stop play for not more than one minute so that an injured player can be treated, or for any other permitted delay.
    The referee may allow play to continue while a medically trained person treats an injured player in the playing area or the player may go to the touchline for treatment.video.png
    If a player is seriously injured and needs to be removed from the field of play, the referee has the discretion to allow the necessary time to have the injured player removed from the field-of-play.
    (b)
    Replacing players’ clothing. When the ball is dead, the referee allows time for a player to replace or repair a badly torn jersey, shorts or boots. Time is allowed for a player to re-tie a boot-lace.
    (c)
    Replacement and substitution of players. Time is allowed when a player is replaced or substituted.
    (d)
    Referee consulting with assistant referee(s) or other officials. Time is allowed for consultations between referee and assistant referees or other officials.
    5.4 Time lost
    Time lost may be due to the following:
    (a)
    Injury. The referee may stop play for not more than one minute so that an injured player can be treated, or for any other permitted delay.
    The referee may allow play to continue while a medically trained person treats an injured player in the playing area or the player may go to the touchline for treatment.video.png
    If a player is seriously injured and needs to be removed from the field of play, the referee has the discretion to allow the necessary time to have the injured player removed from the field-of-play.
    (b)
    Replacing players’ clothing. When the ball is dead, the referee allows time for a player to replace or repair a badly torn jersey, shorts or boots. Time is allowed for a player to re-tie a boot-lace.
    (c)
    Replacement and substitution of players. Time is allowed when a player is replaced or substituted.
    (d)
    Referee consulting with assistant referee(s) or other officials. Time is allowed for consultations between referee and assistant referees or other officials.
    5.4 Time lost
    Time lost may be due to the following:
    (a)
    Injury. The referee may stop play for not more than one minute so that an injured player can be treated, or for any other permitted delay.
    The referee may allow play to continue while a medically trained person treats an injured player in the playing area or the player may go to the touchline for treatment.video.png
    If a player is seriously injured and needs to be removed from the field of play, the referee has the discretion to allow the necessary time to have the injured player removed from the field-of-play.
    (b)
    Replacing players’ clothing. When the ball is dead, the referee allows time for a player to replace or repair a badly torn jersey, shorts or boots. Time is allowed for a player to re-tie a boot-lace.
    (c)
    Replacement and substitution of players. Time is allowed when a player is replaced or substituted.
    (d)
    Referee consulting with assistant referee(s) or other officials. Time is allowed for consultations between referee and assistant referees or other officials.


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    #279
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    Childish? Let's see if you adult mind can find where we can stop the clock for yellow card or ball retention in the law.
    I was answering to Total Former.


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    #280
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    Childish? Let's see if you adult mind can find where we can stop the clock for yellow card or ball retention in the law.
    I was answering to Total Former.


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    #281
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wasps
    Sorry for double posts my internet connexion isn't up to it.
    Have to go see your solution tomorrow


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    #282
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    That's not what I was referring to, it was this:


    Can't see how that would be an advantage.

    A team that has been doing a lot of defending can be fairly wrecked, once they get their hands on the ball retaining possession and running down the clock a bit gives them a chance to get some respite. Connacht had a lot of possession and moved Wasps around the pitch a huge amount, it was understandable Wasps would use a bit of nous and slow the play down once they got it back. They had periods where they quickened up the play and attacked well alright, but they also slowed the play down as much as they could when they needed to. Not a bad tactic when you're playing a team that tire you out so much. Wasps were gassed by the end and hanging on...


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    #283
    wp_rathead
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    Oh gaaaaawd


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    #284
    CMOTDibbler
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    A team that has been doing a lot of defending can be fairly wrecked, once they get their hands on the ball retaining possession and running down the clock a bit gives them a chance to get some respite. Connacht had a lot of possession and moved Wasps around the pitch a huge amount, it was understandable Wasps would use a bit of nous and slow the play down once they got it back. They had periods where they quickened up the play and attacked well alright, but they also slowed the play down as much as they could when they needed to. Not a bad tactic when you're playing a team that tire you out so much. Wasps were gassed by the end and hanging on...
    It's no real advantage though. Taking a breather is of little help if you're just running into the same defensive wall over and over again. And Wasps had the most possession in the second half, so it hardly stacks up that they were gassed to the extent you seem to be implying.

    But my real question is whether they were actually breaking five seconds all the time as you suggest. That's five seconds from the point the ball is playable by the SH, not five seconds from the time the ruck is formed. That's actually a long time. Was the ref calling on them to use it all those times?


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    #285
    Bazzo
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    Wasps
    Just watched the match back. Lads knocking the ball on in contact absolutely killed us, so many times someone made a great break and gained 20m of territory, then got tackled and knocked the ball on. Fair enough it might have been a bit cold but it was bone dry so not really good enough there.

    Garces was giving teams ages to clear out without pinging them for holding on, Launchbury and Wasps in general did excellently to actually manage to rip the ball to turn it over instead of waiting for a penalty to be given. When SOB came on he was very lazily and obviously putting his hands on the ground beyond the ball, any other ref would be pinging him for that so he needs to cut it out(though he carried, tackled and rucked well).

    Marmion is an animal. His half back play was great but besides that his first 3 tackles were: Tackled Simpson and caused him to knock on, tackled Launchbury and stopped him dead after he made a break, tackled a rampaging Nathan Hughes on the way to the try line and managed to make him drop the ball(unfortunately it went backwards). Hughes and Launchbury are twice his size.

    Overall thought the result was just about fair, but definitely a lot of work ons for us.


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    #286
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


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    Perfectly said
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro12/pat-lam-refuses-to-attribute-connacht-s-win-to-referee-s-call-1.2912021
    Connacht overcome Wasps in Saturday’s Champions Cup fixture not by a controversial referee’s decision, but by taking the chance and working hard, says coach Pat Lam. “That decision did not win us the game. We had a maul earlier in the game and we thought we had got over the line, but we didn’t. It’s never guaranteed.
    “The main thing is, it has nothing to do with us. John [Muldoon] asked the question. He asked can we kick to the corner, the referee said yes, so we kicked to the corner and scored the try. If he’d said no, we’d have a quick tap and go for the try – nothing at all to do with us, we played the call.”
    Lam had sympathy for assistant referee Mathieu Raynal, who replaced referee Jerome Garces late in the game due to an injury. “To be fair to the ref, there is so much in transition from one World Cup to the next when rules are being looked at. Some teams are playing some rules, but everyone is discussing it, there’s all sorts of transition, so I can easily understand it.”
    However Lam says the controversy did not detract from Connacht’s win which now puts them level on 13 points with Wasps and Toulouse with two rounds remaining.
    “We play what is in front of us. If it had been Wasps, and they kicked to the corner, we’d have to defend it; if they had tapped, we’d still have to defend it. There was no guarantee from that lineout, but it gave us a chance, and ultimately the work of Seán O’Brien, Rory Parata, Niyi Adeolokun in getting the turnover gave us the chance to have a go, whatever the chance it was going to be. We still had to work hard to do it, and that was the best part about it.”


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