Turas Nua hassling me.

Kirby

Turnipman wrote: »

Of course, if you lose your job and need the assistance of Social Welfare again, you can always explain to them that you didn't bother replying to Seetec or Turas nua because some anonymous poster on Boards.ie told you that it wouldn't matter!

Assuming he keeps his job for at least a couple of years, it likely wouldn't be a problem. I doubt either of them will be around for that long. Their success rates are terrible.

Suckit

Ignore them, you are under no obligation to give them any information at all.
It can't have any affect on your future, if you may find yourself needing help from social welfare again.
If you would prefer not to ignore them, you can just tell them that your employer does not want you sharing any information with them.

crystal hedgehog

Joan Burton utterly betrayed the working class and the poor when she was in office so this is no surprise.However,Job Path were implemented by the FG/FF coalition government,not the FF/Labour coalition,so they are just as culpable.

crystal hedgehog

You are under no legal obligation to give them the details of a job and employer they played no part in obtaining for you.The whole point of them is they are SUPPOSED to help you find a job;if they do,then you do have to give them the details,but one should not enable them to claim fraudulently from the public purse money which they have not earned fair and square! I don't expect to get payment nor credit for a job someone else has done,do you? By the same token,neither should TN/Seetec?

crystal hedgehog

If you have a history of panic attacks from being confined indoors,you may be suffering from claustraphobia.You need to see your GP and be referred to Mental Health,who can provide you a formal diagnosis and letter for the SW and TN.This does not mean you are mad by the way,it is a form of Clinical Anxiety and there IS help there for you but you must go to your GP first- best of luck!
P.S.I was a psychiatric nurse for 12 years in England.

Turnipman

crystal hedgehog wrote: »

Joan Burton utterly betrayed the working class and the poor when she was in office so this is no surprise.However,Job Path were implemented by the FG/FF coalition government,not the FF/Labour coalition,so they are just as culpable.

Thanks for giving me another opportunity to remind people that Turas Nua (the subject of this thread) was introduced by Joan Burton the leader of the Labour Party.

If you want to post about Job Path than off you go to the Job Path thread.

Kk333

Turnipman wrote: »

Of course, if you lose your job and need the assistance of Social Welfare again, you can always explain to them that you didn't bother replying to Seetec or Turas nua because some anonymous poster on Boards.ie told you that it wouldn't matter!

Obvious FG man there. Go to citizens info if any one has a problem. They will make an appointment with a solicitor. End of problem. FG and their social welfare department are scared ****less of the mess they have caused bringing these private companies in and selling Irish citizens to English companies becoming public knowledge. There will he another enquiry over it.

Kk333

Turnipman wrote: »

For the record, Turas Nua and Seetech were introduced by the Labour Party's Minister for Social Protection - her name was Joan Burton.

I'll repeat that, because you appear to be trying to re-write history in order to damage Fine Gael, rather than telling the truth:-

Turas Nua and Seetech were introduced by the Labour Party's Minister for Social Protection - her name was Joan Burton.

Joan Burton's PRESS RELEASE

Of course Joan Burton did introduce Jobapth gleefully implemented by FG.
www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2017-11-15/26/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/just-18-get-work-out-of-jobpath-scheme-466423.html

Turnipman

Kk333 wrote: »

Of course Joan Burton did introduce Jobapth

Indeed she did.

Clever of you to spot that!

Kk333

Turnipman wrote: »

Indeed she did.

Clever of you to spot that!

Haha. The blueshirt is strong in this one.

The Darkness

Actually, if you really want to know who to accurately blame for the original introduction of the insidious cancer that is Jobpath and Seetec/Turas Nua to Irish life, then it is neither Joan Burton nor FG, as it happens - it was initially Éamon Ó Cuív, of the ever-despicable Fianna Fáil; when he was Minister for Social Protection (a misnomer if ever there were one) from 2010 to 2011, who is ultimately responsible.

Having said that, both Burton/Labour and FG have subsequently had far more of an active, influential and involved role in its rollout, ongoing implementation and its inevitable failure and withdrawal - so are just as much to blame and well worthy of opprobrium and ridicule as a result; indeed, if not even more so!

Eclipse510

Do you know what happens once someone has completed the full year with them? Can they still contact you with job suggestions or do they have to delete your personal information once the contract is up? A friend of mine is finished with them next month but isn't sure where they stand re their personal information, can they insist that is be deleted and they not be contacted again or could turas nua go back to the social welfare and make things difficult for them?

Suckit

I thought Turas Nua was to finish up by the end of December?

Sounds

If any 3rd party company keeps ringing you every other day/week, that's harassment.

There's no law in Ireland that says you have to keep communicating with any company.

Making scheduled calls on your behalf, without your consent, that has to be illegal.

If they haven't helped you find work within a few sessions, then it's over, IMO.

Considering they usually have over 200 job vacancies listed on their website,

If they can't help someone get one of those, then there's no reason to carry on.

They knew before taking the job they'd be calling people on behalf of social.

I don't like their business module, they should stick to helping people that asked them for help.

If someone stops answering calls, for whatever reason, you have no right by law to harass them.

Makhnovist

Not to hijack the thread but has anyone ever asked the social if your on a CE scheme do you have to continue with turas nua? Or a better question which I asked the social 2 days ago and still haven't received an answer too, can turas Nua stop my Ce scheme payment as Im not technically on jobseekers or receiving a jobseekers payment anymore

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680229#Comment_117680229

In simple Terms Turas Nua or Seetac can not stop any SW, CE payments, they never could. Payments are only impacted on foot of either of these companies reporting non engagement, it's the DEASP that determines any decisions to stop, suspend or reduce payments and based on their own reports, this is quite rare.

With regard to your other question relating to continuing with Turas Nua whilst on a CE scheme, technically you remain referred as its called for whatever period referral covers, normally a year but as many people have stated, this can be extended.

Whilst I appreciate your understanding of the CE scheme, it is technically funded /supported by DEASP and generally for a defined period so Turas Nua can continue to engage with you. Another example regarding Turas Nua still being involved is, if a person has signed a contract or PPP, they actually give permission to these companies, not only to continue making contact but extraordinarily also permission to contact a persons employers, even if neither of these companies assisted in getting that person a Job. Of course in these situations the person can ignore any contacts and either complain to DEASP or Jobspath company insisting contacts stop, this would not be applicable to a CE scheme however.

In simple terms, you continue to be referred for the period of referral.

Makhnovist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117681190#Comment_117681190

Thanks for the reply, I got an answer from them today anyway and its pretty much what you said about having to stay with them for the remaining months. I guess I'll just have to deal with it then in an excruciatingly slow manner and when I feel like it.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684191#Comment_117684191

No problem at all but the fact your in a CE scheme suggests they won't bother you too much, good luck regardless 😏

ua

Turas Nua is just a waste of time - if anyone wants a proper chance of a job and receive extra money the CE and Tus are the only way to go. Turas Nua is the most belittling depressing place ever - they work off-targets that's why they are so pushy for you to take any kind of job -

it does not matter you don't want the particular job (high turnover, bad employers) and/or might not be suited it - they don't care - just be aware if you take one of their jobs and leave that job- you to have to wait 9 weeks without money before you get any social welfare payment - it's soul-destroying -

I had a relative working there and she was told to hit her targets no matter what - that people on social welfare don't want to work that's why Turas Nua have to push - insist - intimate - pressure people into work - I have spoken to Intreo, CE Supervisors and a Tus supervisor and they all say the same thing - Tusas Nua is all about targets (people into employment) how much money they can get from the poor unfortunates who are forced to go to them - even they don't have anything good to say about the place - Even if you have a pt job before going to them they will take the credit for it - hound your employer with calls about you - so belittling and annoying -

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117815568#Comment_117815568

I'd say you could apply the above to Tus/CE or Intreo supervisors too. You probably weren't harsh enough either.

MojoMaker

Anyone dealt with a crowd called EMPOWER? Is it more of the same or a totally new initiative?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117936475#Comment_117936475

Do you mean this organisation?

https://empower.ie/

it'smore of a community activation program , I don't believe it's connected to Jobspath but looks similar, more focused on the Fingal area. It does look like a new initiative but I don't know much about it .

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117936475#Comment_117936475

I've got a friend who says they are being put through all kinds of hassle by them. They are in the same building as the Tus people and all seem to work together. I can ask my friend any questions you have if you want.

Investigator1

Please see below, an official response from DSP to a government ministers Parliamentary Question a few days ago

I refer to representation on behalf of a constituent asking if payment can be cut or reduced if a community employment participant fails or refuses to engage with Turas Nua and if the Department of Social Protection can legally and lawfully cut or reduce a person’s payment while they are engaging with the training employment for the 19.5 hours every week whilst on the community employment scheme.

 

The Community Employment (CE) Scheme is an active labour market programme designed to provide eligible long-term unemployed people and other disadvantaged persons with an opportunity to engage in useful work within their communities on a temporary, fixed term basis. The programme is delivered through independent CE sponsoring authorities that operate in the community and voluntary sector. 

 

The Department of Social Protection (DSP) provides funding for CE schemes for training and material costs, in addition to CE participant and CE supervisor wages. CE sponsoring authorities receive this funding in line with their annual contract with DSP. CE participants are employed by and receive a weekly wage from the CE sponsor, they are not employees of or paid by of DSP. 

 

As participants on CE schemes receive a wage from their employer (the sponsoring authority) and not a payment from DSP, the Department could not reduce or stop their payment for the reason mentioned in the question.

 

I trust this clarifies the matter.

Walter Knight

Natural. As 19.5 hours work...or even 1 hour work for 0 money is slavery... where slaves won`t survive. Who will do work then?