Bob Dylan 3Arena, Dublin Friday 11 May 2017.

rubadub

Tickets go on sale this Wednesday 14 December at 9am.

presale begins:Mon 12/12/16 09:00


€65.50 - €121.00 (service fee up to €6.85 on top of those prices)

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/bob-dylan-dublin-05-11-2017/event/180051898C76C909?artistid=734972&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

wacotaco

Will this sell out? Won't have money until friday..

henryporter

Is it a three presale or is there any other?

MisterAnarchy

wacotaco wrote: »

Will this sell out? Won't have money until friday..

I highly doubt it will sell out ,the tickets are a rip off ,65-121 euro plus fees.
The prices for his gigs in the UK are around £50-80 inc fees ,and they are smaller venues.

johnnykilo

Is there any way of knowing what tickets are what prices? Ticketbastard just say €65 - €121. Isn't there normally a better breakdown of what Standing and Premium seats cost?

MisterAnarchy

johnnykilo wrote: »

Is there any way of knowing what tickets are what prices? Ticketbastard just say €65 - €121. Isn't there normally a better breakdown of what Standing and Premium seats cost?

Its an all seated concert.
Prices will be similar to Rod Stewart in the 3arena Id imagine.
128 euro inc fees for lower level seats and flat seating,100 euro for upper tier and a few 70 euro seats in the top corners.

shadow7ml

Will this sell out ? Want to buy my Dad tickets but after Xmas ?

busterp

With artists like Bowie, Prince and Leonard Cohen dying this year I'd say a lot of people are thinking it might be their last chance to see a great like Dylan. It might not sell out on the first morning but I reckon it absolutely will sell out soon

eeepaulo

Whats with this 3plus presale lark. Never tried before but would love to get some good tickets. The presale on the 3plus site was not there last night, appeared at about 7:50 this morning, when i requested a code said it was experiencing problems three times, then within a minute all presale tickets snapped up.

edit - disappeared again about 5 mintues later

cruhoortwunk

What is the keyword to send to 51020 to get the password?

Choochtown

On the 3plus page it says "Click the "text me code" button".

Anyone know where this button is?????

Choochtown

eeepaulo wrote: »

Whats with this 3plus presale lark. Never tried before but would love to get some good tickets. The presale on the 3plus site was not there last night, appeared at about 7:50 this morning, when i requested a code said it was experiencing problems three times, then within a minute all presale tickets snapped up.

edit - disappeared again about 5 mintues later

Does that mean all pre-sale tickets are gone? !!

delbertgrady

Choochtown wrote: »

On the 3plus page it says "Click the "text me code" button".

Anyone know where this button is?????

You've not gone mad. There isn't one.

cruhoortwunk

No event listing here either:
http://www.ticketmaster.ie/promo/6byw2w?brand=ie_theo2

Choochtown

delbertgrady wrote: »

You've not gone mad. There isn't one.

So what generally happens.
Does a button appear?
Do I keep re-loading the page?

Evil Sausage

Choochtown wrote: »

So what generally happens.
Does a button appear?
Do I keep re-loading the page?

Seems that they have moved the pre-sale start time to tomorrow morning at 9am.

cruhoortwunk

Text bob to 51020 for password

The Nal

Going by the seating map it seems they're not curtaining off any of it like they did the last time. Which tickets cost 121 quid?! :ermm:

rubadub

The Nal wrote: »

Going by the seating map it seems they're not curtaining off any of it like they did the last time.

did the seating map the last time show it was being curtained off to begin with?

I always thought they would show the full seating and just not sell upper seats until the lower ones sell out and they are sure they have enough not to have to curtain off.

Which tickets cost 121 quid?

none, it will be nearer 128 with the fees!

and there are probably only 3 or 4 seats at the lowest price... Same marketing school as the likes of harvey normans. up to 99% off. While ticketmasters line is "tickets are 121, but in some crazy extremely exceptional circumstances some may have to pay a little more." Should be illegal IMO.

Noxin

Was gonna get a ticket but then saw it was fully seated. Don't like seated gigs. Pass.

The Nal

All flat seating is €121. Then 65 for the cheapos at the back and up to €121 for good seats.
Sorry Bob.

former total

Noxin wrote: »

Was gonna get a ticket but then saw it was fully seated. Don't like seated gigs. Pass.

Ah in fairness it's Bob Dylan. There won't be any lepping around in the mosh pit like.

The Nal wrote: »

All flat seating is €121. Then 65 for the cheapos at the back and up to €121 for good seats.
Sorry Bob.

Yep, pricey enough alright. Not every week a Nobel laureate plays the Point though.

The Nal

former total wrote: »

Noxin wrote: »

Was gonna get a ticket but then saw it was fully seated. Don't like seated gigs. Pass.

Ah in fairness it's Bob Dylan. There won't be any lepping around in the mosh pit like.

The Nal wrote: »

All flat seating is €121. Then 65 for the cheapos at the back and up to €121 for good seats.
Sorry Bob.

Yep, pricey enough alright. Not every week a Nobel laureate plays the Point though.

True, but tickets are twice the price of his last gig here in 2014. Which was excellent. 

Although most people I spoke to after hated it. They were (bizarrely) expecting 1966 Bob with the shades and the afro doing songs from Blonde on Blonde.

Heard someone say "I can't believe he didn't play The Hurricane." A song he hasn't played in over 40 years.

Noxin

former total wrote: »

Ah in fairness it's Bob Dylan. There won't be any lepping around in the mosh pit like.

True enough but I wouldn't be there for that either. I just prefer to stand at things like this.

rubadub

The Nal wrote: »

They were (bizarrely) expecting 1966 Bob with the shades and the afro doing songs from Blonde on Blonde.

Heard someone say "I can't believe he didn't play The Hurricane." A song he hasn't played in over 40 years.

I don't think its bizarre at all, quite understandable. Many people fell victim to the previous conmen promotors who played Hurricane in their TV adverts for the gigs which would suggest he plays it.

Not everybody knows you can easily check setlists online, even younger people I know who go to plenty of gigs and would be online were unaware they are so easily available. Any of the conmen creating these adverts would be well aware he is not going to play it, but deliberately included it to dube more punters in.

You can easily checkout youtube videos now that everybody and their mother is recording on phones at gigs.

The Nal

rubadub wrote: »

The Nal wrote: »

They were (bizarrely) expecting 1966 Bob with the shades and the afro doing songs from Blonde on Blonde.

Heard someone say "I can't believe he didn't play The Hurricane." A song he hasn't played in over 40 years.

I don't think its bizarre at all, quite understandable. Many people fell victim to the previous conmen promotors who played Hurricane in their TV adverts for the gigs which would suggest he plays it.

Not everybody knows you can easily check setlists online, even younger people I know who go to plenty of gigs and would be online were unaware they are so easily available. Any of the conmen creating these adverts would be well aware he is not going to play it, but deliberately included it to dube more punters in.

You can easily checkout youtube videos now that everybody and their mother is recording on phones at gigs.

Dropping 60 + quid on a ticket and an evening out for anything without doing a bit of research first is silly. Gig, restaurant, movie, anything.

adrian522

Dylan has 1,000+ songs. He may play 20 of them in a given gig. You can't really go in with an expectation of any particular song getting played.

rubadub

The Nal wrote: »

Dropping 60 + quid on a ticket and an evening out for anything without doing a bit of research first is silly. Gig, restaurant, movie, anything.

And people do silly things all the time, is this really a surprise to you? you described it as bizarre, I think it's quite common.

Speaking of surprises some avoid reading setlists for that very reason.

adrian522 wrote: »

You can't really go in with an expectation of any particular song getting played.

I think you can, I wonder if Paddy power would even give you odds on him not playing tangled up in blue at his next regular full set gig. The adverts would be playing several songs he is very likely to play.

I was in the point a year or so after the film Hurricane was released and remember people also shouting for it.

MisterAnarchy

The Nal wrote: »

All flat seating is €121. Then 65 for the cheapos at the back and up to €121 for good seats.
Sorry Bob.

The prices are ridiculous ,and something needs to be done about it.
Its a cynical attempt to cash in on his nobel award .

I just checked there and you can get a good ticket on the floor in Liverpool for 71 pounds or ~ 85 euro .
Its 128 euro for a similar seat in Dublin ,that's 50% more.

I saw him in the Marquee a few years ago,I think the tickets were ~70 euro ,that's more than enough .

bodhrandude

Saw him back in 1993 at the Fleadh Mor Festival in Tramore, Waterford, his voice wasn't great but I can imagine it was a damn sight better than now, even though I wasn't impressed with the way he made some of the classic songs into 2 minute melodies, I was still glad I got to see him. This will probably be your last chance to catch him I can't imagine he will be up to touring that much after this stint.

Looking back it was a decent setlist.

Rainy Day Women #12 & 35
Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again
All Along the Watchtower
The Man in Me
Tangled Up in Blue
Watching the River Flow
Little Moses
Tomorrow Night
Boots of Spanish Leather
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Cat's in the Well
Ballad of a Thin Man
It Ain't Me, Babe

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bob-dylan/1993/the-racecourse-waterford-ireland-7bd52674.html

Birneybau

I'm just saying, never again.

MisterAnarchy

bodhrandude wrote: »

Saw him back in 1993 at the Fleadh Mor Festival in Tramore, Waterford, his voice wasn't great but I can imagine it was a damn sight better than now, even though I wasn't impressed with the way he made some of the classic songs into 2 minute melodies, I was still glad I got to see him. This will probably be your last chance to catch him I can't imagine he will be up to touring that much after this stint.

Some how I think we will see him again as he constantly tours ,his tour is referred to as the Never Ending Tour,the guy is obviously mad for money.

The Nal

Nah hes not all about the money at all. He just plays live a lot. Great gig in 2014, think I'll leave it at that. 121 quid is daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLaJSOTvGLA

johnnykilo

Does anyone know if this pre-sale happened or not? If you click on the "Onsale Times" link here http://www.ticketmaster.ie/bob-dylan-dublin-05-11-2017/event/180051898C76C909?artistid=734972&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1 it's still showing the presale time as starting 9am today.

cruhoortwunk

johnnykilo wrote: »

Does anyone know if this pre-sale happened or not? If you click on the "Onsale Times" link here http://www.ticketmaster.ie/bob-dylan-dublin-05-11-2017/event/180051898C76C909?artistid=734972&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1 it's still showing the presale time as starting 9am today.

Yep, it was sold out by about 10am

former total

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The prices are ridiculous ,and something needs to be done about it.
Its a cynical attempt to cash in on his nobel award .

I just checked there and you can get a good ticket on the floor in Liverpool for 71 pounds or ~ 85 euro .
Its 128 euro for a similar seat in Dublin ,that's 50% more.

I saw him in the Marquee a few years ago,I think the tickets were ~70 euro ,that's more than enough .

Posts like this confuse me. What exactly "needs to be done about it" and who would do it? Who decides what "more than enough" is?

It's supply and demand. It's free market pricing.

johnnykilo

cruhoortwunk wrote: »

Yep, it was sold out by about 10am

Bother! Alright cheers!

Noxin

bodhrandude wrote: »

This will probably be your last chance to catch him

This is what gets me and annoys the phiss out of me. You might be right. I hate that. Passing over a gig cause its seated and it might not happen again.

I'm still gonna wait and see. And if I get a last minute ticket I know it wont be disappointing. Just as long as someone goes to the bar for me every 30 minutes. Fupping seated gigs.

Vunderground

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Some how I think we will see him again as he constantly tours ,his tour is referred to as the Never Ending Tour,the guy is obviously mad for money.

Bob said somewhere or other that he has a choice - to work or not to work. He opted to keep working

I'm happy he is still touring and managed to get a ticket in the presale yesterday. I hope it sells out and another night is added as in 2005. The only thing better than one Bob show is two Bob shows.

I paid a total of €93.85 for a seat up in block K. Worth every penny.

Really looking forward to it and good luck to everyone looking for tickets today.

The Nal

Just had a look there, flat tickets are €128.85 inc bastard fees. 
€93.85 to be all the way at the back. 
A shame, no thanks.

adrian522

Personally I've never been disappointed in a Dylan gig. Yes some are better than others but in the main they've all been very good. Missed out last time so going to see him this time.

Ticket prices are insane but I end up picking a few gigs per year rather than going to a load of gigs.

flasher0030

former total wrote: »

Posts like this confuse me. What exactly "needs to be done about it" and who would do it? Who decides what "more than enough" is?

It's supply and demand. It's free market pricing.

What’s your opinion on touting? Would you refuse to condemn it on the basis that it’s just supply and demand – that it’s up to an individual if they are willing to pay the tout an amount that is above the stated ticket price, notwithstanding that same tout purchased the ticket, not with the intention of going to the gig, but with the intention of selling it on at a margin. Is it just part of business or is it fleecing the ordinary punter – just like charging exorbitant prices for gigs. Just because it’s supply and demand does not makes a situation ethically correct. Google this story “Martin Shkreli: Pharmaceuticals CEO who raised HIV drug price by 5,000% 'also hiked cost of pill taken by children with incurable kidney disease'" – Supply and demand??? Or Greed? Or opportunistic?

The Bishop Basher

bodhrandude wrote: »

Saw him back in 1993 at the Fleadh Mor Festival in Tramore, Waterford, his voice wasn't great but I can imagine it was a damn sight better than now,

That was a superb gig. My first festival and first of many Dylan gigs. Ballad of a thin man was the stand out moment for me. Also remember Van walking out mid set with a bottle of champagne in each hand and a woman under each arm. The crowd cheered thinking we were about to get a duet. We didn't. Dylan just scowled at him and carried on with the gig.

Joan Baez was the stand out artist for me that weekend. Still hard to believe the lineup was that good

bodhrandude wrote: »

This will probably be your last chance to catch him I can't imagine he will be up to touring that much after this stint.

To be fair, people were saying that 15 years ago and he's still at it

Been to many Dylan gigs since Tramore. Even traveled as far as the states to go see him. Saw him at Madison Sq Garden in November 2001 which was really special but stopped going a few years ago as his voice is just too far gone for me. Between his inaudible mumbling and the fact that he plays every song in almost the same tune with that turn up at the end of each phrase, I just got bored and it's a shame because his current recordings are among some of his best ever work..

former total

flasher0030 wrote: »

What’s your opinion on touting? Would you refuse to condemn it on the basis that it’s just supply and demand – that it’s up to an individual if they are willing to pay the tout an amount that is above the stated ticket price, notwithstanding that same tout purchased the ticket, not with the intention of going to the gig, but with the intention of selling it on at a margin. Is it just part of business or is it fleecing the ordinary punter – just like charging exorbitant prices for gigs. Just because it’s supply and demand does not makes a situation ethically correct. Google this story “Martin Shkreli: Pharmaceuticals CEO who raised HIV drug price by 5,000% 'also hiked cost of pill taken by children with incurable kidney disease'" – Supply and demand??? Or Greed? Or opportunistic?

Jaysus. Not sure where to start with that.

I don't need to Google Shkreli, I'm very aware of that story. I'm not sure we're comparing like with like though, concert tickets vs. medicines.

I don't like touting. I don't like Seatwave or Viagogo.

So, I've answered your questions, you answer mine.

Who would set the "fair" price for concert tickets?

rubadub

former total wrote: »

Who would set the "fair" price for concert tickets?

I would like to see a general discussion in the forum. I wonder if anyone has come up with ideas.

If people are willing to pay a fortune to go then I would at least like to see the artist getting it, not ticketmaster getting a stupid percentage or any other resellers of any sort.

An auction type thing would let the artist get money closer to its real market value. There will always be someone who missed the auction and had to pay over the odds to a reseller. But you would have a fairer chance of paying what you think it is worth to you.

Would people frown upon that though, say this dylan gig was in kilmainham, all standing, no "good seats". People begin to bid and it goes higher and higher and the auction ends in say a month and they all pay the same amount, nobody is really stung and paying more than the guy next to them, no tout is raking it in.

It would be like ebay (which most people do not use correctly) where you put in the maximum you would pay say €100. So in the last few seconds if there are a flurry of people wanting tickets it could go to €101, and you should not be too upset as you said the max you were willing to pay was €101, you have only yourself to blame for lying about your true max. If there were 20,000 tickets and everybody said they were willing to pay €80 or higher, then everybody ends up paying €80, even if your maximum bid was €400. There may be a term for this style of auction.

If you were the lowest bidder at €80 the next lowest was €90, then if a guy comes and bids €85 then you are out, you can always bid €86 but now everybody pays that.

If it ended up €200 per ticket would people consider the artist greedy for choosing this selling method? If so do they consider other artists like painters or sculptors greedy for selling via auction? I suppose there is a difference as the artwork can be resold, but so could these tickets -just in a more limited timeframe.

robertowjr

I got tickets but I half regret getting them, checking his most recent gigs it seems like his voice isn't what I remember him for, and I not sure it will be worth the price tag, nonetheless he's a legend, but I would happily sell my tickets if someone is interested.

The Nal

robertowjr wrote: »

I got tickets but I half regret getting them, checking his most recent gigs it seems like his voice isn't what I remember him for, and I not sure it will be worth the price tag, nonetheless he's a legend,  but I would happily sell my tickets if someone is interested.

His voice hasn't been "what I remember him for" since the late 1970s.

robertowjr

The Nal wrote: »

His voice hasn't been "what I remember him for" since the late 1970s.

You are probably right, might still be worth it to see him live, it will be my first time, €257 for a couple of tickets is robbery if you ask me.

The Nal

robertowjr wrote: »

The Nal wrote: »

His voice hasn't been "what I remember him for" since the late 1970s.

You are probably right, might still be worth it to see him live, it will be my first time, €257 for a couple of tickets is robbery if you ask me.

Certainly is. Which is sadly why I'm not going.

horseburger

rubadub wrote: »

I would like to see a general discussion in the forum. I wonder if anyone has come up with ideas.

If people are willing to pay a fortune to go then I would at least like to see the artist getting it, not ticketmaster getting a stupid percentage or any other resellers of any sort.

An auction type thing would let the artist get money closer to its real market value. There will always be someone who missed the auction and had to pay over the odds to a reseller. But you would have a fairer chance of paying what you think it is worth to you.

Would people frown upon that though, say this dylan gig was in kilmainham, all standing, no "good seats". People begin to bid and it goes higher and higher and the auction ends in say a month and they all pay the same amount, nobody is really stung and paying more than the guy next to them, no tout is raking it in.

It would be like ebay (which most people do not use correctly) where you put in the maximum you would pay say €100. So in the last few seconds if there are a flurry of people wanting tickets it could go to €101, and you should not be too upset as you said the max you were willing to pay was €101, you have only yourself to blame for lying about your true max. If there were 20,000 tickets and everybody said they were willing to pay €80 or higher, then everybody ends up paying €80, even if your maximum bid was €400. There may be a term for this style of auction.

If you were the lowest bidder at €80 the next lowest was €90, then if a guy comes and bids €85 then you are out, you can always bid €86 but now everybody pays that.

If it ended up €200 per ticket would people consider the artist greedy for choosing this selling method? If so do they consider other artists like painters or sculptors greedy for selling via auction? I suppose there is a difference as the artwork can be resold, but so could these tickets -just in a more limited timeframe.

I imagine that what Ticketmaster get is the service charge per ticket. I'm not sure that Ticketmaster gets any more money per gig than the service charge paid on each ticket.

Does anyone know?

Does anyone know if promoters pay a fee per year to Ticketmaster for selling tickets for their concerts?

I think, that in most cases, that the bands have a set fee per concert, agreed with the promoter before the concert tickets go on sale, and they get that payment from the promoter, no matter how well a concert sells.

I think that the bands and/or the bands' managements approve the ticket prices for any gigs they play, before they go on sale.

I would imagine that for any concert that is taking place, the band and their management, the promoter and the ticket sellers have agreed and know what each one is going to be paid, before the tickets go on sale.

Does anyone know if Ticketmaster gets paid any more, per concert, other than the service charge on each ticket sold?

I think it is the promoter that suffers and risks losing money, if tickets do not sell well, because I think the band gets the agreed fee, no matter how many tickets are sold.

I think that is why there has been cases where bands have played in Dublin over recent years, and not sold as well as possible, and as a result when those bands have subsequently toured in Europe and in venues in Wales, England, or Scotland, that the promoters here, have not brought those bands over here, since the previous Irish concert.

Would auctioning the tickets as you describe, with no specific prices per ticket, not be a very slow way of selling the tickets, which might result in promoters not being able to rely on it, and unable to predict how much money would be generated through ticket sales?

rubadub

horseburger wrote: »

I imagine that what Ticketmaster get is the service charge per ticket. I'm not sure that Ticketmaster gets any more money per gig than the service charge paid on each ticket.

Ticketmaster charge up to 6.85 per tickets as a service charge. This is certainly not all they make, since you can buy the same tickets for some gigs from the likes of www.tickets.ie with no additional charges, if you opt for box office collection. So a smaller operation can afford to presumably make a reasonable profit without lashing on ludicrous extras, and if tickets.ie and other small operations do add more for delivery it is often not this "per ticket" nonsense.

But I was not really talking about those charges. I was referring to people willing to pay well over the odds, to touts, be they lads on the street corner or ticketmasters own touting empire AKA seatwave.

On seatwave I believe they take 10% from the seller, and add 15% onto the price for the buyer, and add on delivery fees. This is checking some random old thread, but I am pretty certain they make a %.

On several upcoming gigs I see these special gold/platinum etc tickets on sale, maybe the artists have copped on people will pay well over the odds and do not want these middlemen taking it.

horseburger wrote: »

Would auctioning the tickets as you describe, with no specific prices per ticket, not be a very slow way of selling the tickets,

The auction could end in a single day or even single hour if they wanted. Some gigs are a dead cert to sell out e.g. U2 or radiohead in 3arena. And like ebay they could have an "opening bid price" but those 2 acts would be pretty sure to get more money than they were charging for tickets. Some artists would not want to appear greedy, thats why I wondered would people still think of them as greedy if they did use some sort of auction. Some bands must be sick to see the cash they are missing out on, seeing huge amounts of tickets selling for huge money.