Yet another Dublin shooting

emmetlego

A man in his 30's shot dead in Lucan tonight about an hour ago, any idea who it was? Paul Reynolds on RTE there said he was "well know to the Gardai"

Hutch Kinnehan related?

r93kaey5p2izun

Not directly no I don't think so. More Ballyfermot.

ligerdub

Twitter suggests a name

mr j tayto

This guy is no loss. Caused untold misery on so many people in the last 20 years.
Rot in hell guinea pig. Devil was only waiting for ya.

emmetlego

mr j tayto wrote: »

This guy is no loss. Caused untold misery on so many people in the last 20 years.
Rot in hell guinea pig. Devil was only waiting for ya.

Any hints, I can't find it on twitter at all!

DopeTech

emmetlego wrote: »

Any hints, I can't find it on twitter at all!

The Guinea pig

D Trent

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/gun-victim-named-as-mark-desmond

emmetlego

Right so. I suppose that was coming! At least no bystander was hurt.

mr j tayto

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crim...s-mark-desmond

That's him.

World is slighty better off today, and that's not condoning murder in any way, but this guy was one evil cnut.

Old Bill

Dublin is turning into the wild west.

CantGetNoSleep

Old Bill wrote: »

Dublin is turning into the wild west.

No it isn't

Old Bill

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

No it isn't

It is the gun murder rate here is 6 times what it is in England.

Dublin is one of the most lawless cities in Western Europe.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-almost-six-times-more-gun-homicides-here-than-in-england-and-wales-34566358.html

ligerdub

Do you mean per capita over the entire population of England?

Old Bill

ligerdub wrote: »

Do you mean per capita over the entire population of England?

Per capita.

ligerdub

I don't think that's a fair comparison then. A better comparison would be compared to London, Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

You'd have to consider gun and knife crime too.

newacc2015

Old Bill wrote: »

It is the gun murder rate here is 6 times what it is in England.

Dublin is one of the most lawless cities in Western Europe.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-almost-six-times-more-gun-homicides-here-than-in-england-and-wales-34566358.html

If Cork or Galways were a similar size of Dublin, they would have similar murder rates. Ireland isnt far off a city state, the size of Dublin relative to the rest of Ireland makes it crime riddled when it isnt.

None of these people being killed are innocent. Their life of crime is finally catching up to them. One that was killed this year was warned by the Garda that he was going to be killed and that he should leave the country. The guy choose to ask DCC to give him a different flat.

When these people are warned their life is in danger and are ignoring the warnings, it is very hard to feel sorry for them when they are eventually killed

Old Bill

newacc2015 wrote: »

If Cork or Galways were a similar size of Dublin, they would have similar murder rates. Ireland isnt far off a city state, the size of Dublin relative to the rest of Ireland makes it crime riddled when it isnt.

None of these people being killed are innocent. Their life of crime is finally catching up to them. One that was killed this year was warned by the Garda that he was going to be killed and that he should leave the country. The guy choose to ask DCC to give him a different flat.

When these people are warned their life is in danger and are ignoring the warnings, it is very hard to feel sorry for them when they are eventually killed

There was a drug addict shot dead in the inner city earlier this year in a case of mistaken identity.

Also a few years ago a we had scumbag shooting at the outside of a pub indiscriminately.

Dublin has a serious problem with law and order.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/three-women-man-injured-shooting-2367121

Suckit

It is a little bit funny when somebody says that Dublin is turning into the wild west and gets goaded into elaborating.
I would have assumed that (it was pretty obvious) they meant that somebody can walk out on to the street at any time of the day or night and possibly witness a shooting that is being done without fear of repercussion of the law.
But no. Not on boards.
 It is contested, and then when the poster of said message points to an article, they are then asked if they are relating to England or the UK per Capita..
Seriously??????
Is it not enough that there is murder actually happening at a high rate??
I am stumped so many times at peoples reactions and comparing stuff to other cities etc. But there must be a time when we can say, "oh yeah, maybe it is not a good thing. It is a bit like the wild west. People are getting murdered on out Streets and the killer is known, walking, running, driving away and doing the same thing a few months later."

ligerdub

Suckit wrote: »

It is a little bit funny when somebody says that Dublin is turning into the wild west and gets goaded into elaborating.
I would have assumed that (it was pretty obvious) they meant that somebody can walk out on to the street at any time of the day or night and possibly witness a shooting that is being done without fear of repercussion of the law.
But no. Not on boards.
 It is contested, and then when the poster of said message points to an article, they are then asked if they are relating to England or the UK per Capita..
Seriously??????
Is it not enough that there is murder actually happening at a high rate??
I am stumped so many times at peoples reactions and comparing stuff to other cities etc. But there must be a time when we can say, "oh yeah, maybe it is not a good thing. It is a bit like the wild west. People are getting murdered on out Streets and the killer is known, walking, running, driving away and doing the same thing a few months later."

It's questioned because it's quite a spectacular claim, and spectacular claims should be challenged. The proof of the strength of the argument is the ability to stand up to the challenge.

"I would have assumed that (it was pretty obvious) they meant that somebody can walk out on to the street at any time of the day or night and possibly witness a shooting that is being done without fear of repercussion of the law." - possible is quite varied. How possible is the key. I dare say it's not something I ever really consider when walking around the city/county.

The claim is based around a city being a lot more dangerous than an entire country, and in only one type of crime. I think that can be quite misleading. You can't make one comparison and then complain against a suggestion of a better comparison.

I don't doubt that crime, particularly gang crime is bad in Dublin, very bad in fact, but it's very bad in Ireland in general. Is Limerick any different from Dublin in that regard? If it was a simple case of "gangland crime in Ireland is a serious issue and is out of hand" then I'd be more likely to agree, but the notion that people should feel markedly less safe here compared to a similar city (on average, not specific cities) somewhere else hasn't been proven.

Lux23

I understand your point "Suckit" (such an elegant name) but most people who are murdered are heavily involved in criminality. As a normal person, I am perfectly safe to walk down my street in Dublin 8 and no-one will bother me. Now if I was selling drugs things might be different so I don't think Dublin is turning into the wild west and you don't have anything but anecdotes to back up your claim anyway.

Suckit

Lux23 wrote: »

I understand your point "Suckit" (such an elegant name) but most people who are murdered are heavily involved in criminality. As a normal person, I am perfectly safe to walk down my street in Dublin 8 and no-one will bother me. Now if I was selling drugs things might be different so I don't think Dublin is turning into the wild west and you don't have anything but anecdotes to back up your claim anyway.

What claim? What anecdotes?


Edit. - Also, were there not at least two people stabbed and one shot in Dublin 8 within the past two months?

Btw and fwiw, it is not my real name.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Good riddance to the kunt.

Rakish Paddy

A complete and utter scumbag. I think the Gardaí should make an exception here and grant the killer a 'free pass' for doing what our criminal justice system failed to do and taking an absolute menace off the streets.

Lux23

Sorry Suckit, I got you mixed up Bill as you guys have the same avatar.

Yes, there have been shootings and stabbings near where I live but in fairness they haven't made me any more fearful. Stories like what happened to that girl in Maynooth would scare me as it appeared to be random, but if friends fight and one ends up dead I don't see how that would affect me. Same with gangland shootings, I don't deal drugs so why would I be frightened?

pilly

Lux23 wrote:

Yes, there have been shootings and stabbings near where I live but in fairness they haven't made me any more fearful. Stories like what happened to that girl in Maynooth would scare me as it appeared to be random, but if friends fight and one ends up dead I don't see how that would affect me. Same with gangland shootings, I don't deal drugs so why would I be frightened?

Because you could be caught in the crossfire.

spurious

pilly wrote:

Because you could be caught in the crossfire.

Or be wearing the wrong colour jacket, or driving the wrong colour or type of car. The gunmen are not geniuses.

ligerdub

A case of mistaken identity every couple of years is tragic, but no reason to be fearful. You might as well **** yourself every time you cross a road.

pilly

ligerdub wrote: »

A case of mistaken identity every couple of years is tragic, but no reason to be fearful. You might as well **** yourself every time you cross a road.

I do that too. :D

No seriously though, I didn't mean that we should all be afraid going around what I mean is sometimes I think "ah let them all kill each other" but there is too much risk of an innocent being killed is my point.

We can all say it has no effect on us until the day it does.

ligerdub

pilly wrote: »

I do that too. :D

No seriously though, I didn't mean that we should all be afraid going around what I mean is sometimes I think "ah let them all kill each other" but there is too much risk of an innocent being killed is my point.

We can all say it has no effect on us until the day it does.

Ha! Fair play.

sabat

Lux23 wrote: »

Same with gangland shootings, I don't deal drugs so why would I be frightened?

Imagine you're walking home one night and you turn around a corner when right in front of you two guys who've just shot someone pull off their balaclavas as they get into the getaway car. You think they wouldn't put a bullet in your head?

Lux23

pilly wrote: »

Because you could be caught in the crossfire.

That is a pretty rare occurrence in Ireland since the troubles so I wouldn't be fearful at all.

Lux23

sabat wrote: »

Imagine you're walking home one night and you turn around a corner when right in front of you two guys who've just shot someone pull off their balaclavas as they get into the getaway car. You think they wouldn't put a bullet in your head?

When has that happened to anyone? These shootings take place in broad daylight in front of witnesses all the time?

Really why are you interested in stirring up fear?

The flying mouse

sabat wrote: »

Imagine you're walking home one night and you turn around a corner when right in front of you two guys who've just shot someone pull off their balaclavas as they get into the getaway car. You think they wouldn't put a bullet in your head?

Sure you better of imagining it wont happen as the chances that it will are very slim.

Mortpourvelo

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

newacc2015

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

Because a lot of Dubliners are sick of uneducated opinions of the city. You would swear there is no crime outside of Dublin the way some people go on. Even your comment is quite ignorant. "Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order". Since when has a majority of Dublin been involved in gang land shootings like your comment implies????

ligerdub

Mortpourvelo wrote:

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

No doubt there is a serious problem of crime involving major gangland criminals. It's possibly worse here than in some other cities throughout Europe.

Cities by their nature are dangerous places compared to rural areas. This is particularly true as drugs have become such a significant problem and used by such a wide cross section of society and by both men and women.

However, I don't think it's a particularly dangerous city outside of these feuding drug gangs. The most in danger there are those involved in criminality, by a massive distance. I'm not sure what is virtuous about blindly accepting statements that Dublin is Dodge City.

Lux23

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

Because it doesn't have a serious problem with law and order. Most of us go about our day without seeing any violent interactions or without breaking any laws.

Suckit

Lux23 wrote: »

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

Because it doesn't have a serious problem with law and order. Most of us go about our day without seeing any violent interactions or without breaking any laws.

WHAT?
Dublin most definitely does have a problem with law and specifically order.
When one person gets murdered on the streets, that is a problem. When 20 within a year do, that is a big problem.
We might be better off ignoring it and getting on with our lives, but what if that neglect leads to it overspilling into out neighbourhood or our childrens?
I am not trying to scaremonger, but there is no way you can say there is not a serious problem. Water it down all you want, it is still a serious problem.

And by the way, not seeing a problem does not mean that there is not one.

Lux23

I simply don't agree and I live in one of the roughest parts of Dublin. I think some people like to claim we live in the wild west because they enjoy all the drama of it but the fact remains that violence of this scale has very little impact on your average Dublin citizen.

Have you been shot at Suckit? Has any of your friends and family?

ligerdub

Suckit wrote: »

WHAT?
Dublin most definitely does have a problem with law and specifically order.
When one person gets murdered on the streets, that is a problem. When 20 within a year do, that is a big problem.
We might be better off ignoring it and getting on with our lives, but what if that neglect leads to it overspilling into out neighbourhood or our childrens?
I am not trying to scaremonger, but there is no way you can say there is not a serious problem. Water it down all you want, it is still a serious problem.

And by the way, not seeing a problem does not mean that there is not one.

Well it depends on your perspective.

20 people murdered over a population of say 1,000,000 people? On it's own is that bad? Is it bad by comparison to other similar sized cities, or it's relative share compared to places of different populations?

Relative to any other mammal how safe is your life in your daily journeys?

Some people look at it one way, and some look at it the other way.

KingBrian2

I'd say Dublin is a safe city to live in for the most part. Their is still a lot of thugs and scumbags around though. More of nuisance than a threat to the peace like in other countries. Any serious trouble the Gardaí could handle it. As for terrorism if we were ever hit the criminals of this city would have a field day. As the public huddle in fear they'd be out robbing the joint and joy riding like their no tomorrow.

Goodshape

Living in Dublin city centre for most of ten years, I haven't witnessed anything more violent than a heated conversation on the streets, or heard much by the way of first hand accounts.

Living in a small country town in Donegal I knew someone personally who was beaten to death after a night out, an uncle (different person) beaten to a pulp for standing in the wrong place, someone else run over (purposefully) with a car a couple times, and countless other incidents of scumbags looking for (and finding) a scrap on a night out. And no-one considers that lovely quaint little town to be a troubled spot.

I feel much safer walking around Dublin.

RobertKK

Close friend of Gerry 'the monk' Hutch shot dead.

dublinstevie

No great loss,scum

the dark phantom

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Why is there even pushback when someone - rightly - points out that Dublin has a serious problem when it comes to law and order ?????

Its the Irish Way, Deny there's any problem and hope it goes away. Same for so many things here.

Bicky bicky

dublinstevie wrote: »

No great loss,scum

I smell an agenda from your post!! 3 days to Christmas shame on you!


Victim named
https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/812009618352259072

jsd1004

We managed to sort our gangland issues in Limerick. Now Dublin needs to sort it out. Too many people in Dublin sneered at Limerick when they had troubles. Dublin has now descended into a hellhole. We now have a modern progressive city unlike Dublin.

tang1

Poor old Duckegg.

Joeseph Balls

jsd1004 wrote: »

We managed to sort our gangland issues in Limerick. Now Dublin needs to sort it out. Too many people in Dublin sneered at Limerick when they had troubles. Dublin has now descended into a hellhole. We now have a modern progressive city unlike Dublin.

Yea, well, My daddy would bate your daddy :rolleyes:.
I'm not from either place but the above post is just stupid. Boards throws up some good ones.

jsd1004

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Yea, well, My daddy would bate your daddy :rolleyes:.
I'm not from either place but the above post is just stupid. Boards throws up some good ones.

Why comment then? We had gangland issues. They are sorted now. Dublin needs to learn from Limerick before it further descends into chaos.

Joeseph Balls

jsd1004 wrote: »

Why comment then? We had gangland issues. They are sorted now. Dublin needs to learn from Limerick before it further descends into chaos.

How do you suggest they sort it from learning from limerick? New laws regarding gangland criminals that are still in place?
About people from Dublin sneering at limerick at the time, I genuinely would like to know who, as Dublin was also suffering its own fued at the time.