Selfish charging

sam7777

there was a leaf charging at tesco maynooth,fully charged at 11am yesterday,still there at 8pm today,can anything be done about this?

n97 mini

Was it there all that time? Were you?

Also, there is a 2nd port on that charge point, so two cars can charge off it.

sam7777

there was a note on the windscreen at 11am yesterday,telling them how selfish they were,it was still on it this evening,i know there is a second one,its been busy both times ive been there

beauf

They'll have to have fines for this.

n97 mini

sam7777 wrote: »

its been busy both times ive been there

I've been using that Tesco since before the charge points went in and only twice have I seen a car charging there, and one of those times it was my own. There is another identical public charge point in Louisa Bridge station car park a few miles away.

Edups

n97 mini wrote: »

I've been using that Tesco since before the charge points went in and only twice have I seen a car charging there, and one of those times it was my own. There is another identical public charge point in Louisa Bridge station car park a few miles away.

That's not the point. The point is some prick is plugging their car in and just leaving it there.

n97 mini

I once parked slightly on the line between two spaces in a virtually empty car park not far from there. When I came back an hour later someone had left a note on my windscreen saying "parking muppet". I left the note there for a couple of days to remind myself not to be bothered by little things.

Yes the " I'll do what I want because I can" attitude. We've all experienced it.

sam7777

Edups wrote: »

That's not the point. The point is some prick is plugging their car in and just leaving it there.

my point exactly,in the five weeks since i bought a leaf,i have never seen the charging points not been used by at least one car,there was two there each time i was,i cant understand how some people can defend this

spaceHopper

They should be setup to charge you more after it's full charged

appfry

Maybe the plan to charge for time on the charger instead of KWh is the way to go.
We just bought a second hand Leaf to use as a runabout when home. Daughter can use it when we are not home. Turns out you can get them extremely cheap in the uk now (Actually every car we have bought for 20 years we have bought in the uk). Got it so cheap during our last trip over that we couldnt not buy it really (£4800 (Was advertised at £5900 first, so there is loads of room for negotiation)), 2013, 24000 miles), even though we were put off by the queues at chargers that we have seen before.
We will just charge it at home overnight via the little plug in charger it came with and that will do us.
Probably wont really use it for long journeys. Lovely car and lovely drive as long as you dont end up waiting to charge.
Waiting at chargers takes all of the happiness out of it. Should really be a lot more fast chargers around the place and more at each location too if you were to want to go on long trips.

appfry

Maybe the plan to charge for time on the charger instead of KWh is the way to go.
We just bought a second hand Leaf to use as a runabout when home. Daughter can use it when we are not home. Turns out you can get them extremely cheap in the uk now (Actually every car we have bought for 20 years we have bought in the uk). Got it so cheap during our last trip over that we couldnt not buy it really (£4800 (Was advertised at £5900 first, so there is loads of room for negotiation)), 2013, 24000 miles), even though we were put off by the queues at chargers that we have seen before.
We will just charge it at home overnight via the little plug in charger it came with and that will do us.
Probably wont really use it for long journeys. Lovely car and lovely drive as long as you dont end up waiting to charge.
Waiting at chargers takes all of the happiness out of it. Should really be a lot more fast chargers around the place and more at each location too if you were to want to go on long trips.

livedadream

I love stuff like this, people get so worked up, you have no idea what's going on with that person and their life. I'd say okay fair enough if it was happening frequently but a once off? thank god that's the biggest complaint you have in your life.
Maybe they got delayed, were unwell, had an emergency crop up, forgot? There's a million different reasons you don't know about only one of them is someone being selfish. Like the other poster said about the parking try not to let Yourself be bothered by the little things, be thankful that's your biggest complaint about your life.

J.pilkington

n97 mini wrote: »

I once parked slightly on the line between two spaces in a virtually empty car park not far from there. When I came back an hour later someone had left a note on my windscreen saying "parking muppet". I left the note there for a couple of days to remind myself not to be bothered by little things.

Nice attitude.

We all know deep down it really did bother you and we can only hope that you now make more of an effort (it's not that hard) to park between the lines

n97 mini

J.pilkington wrote: »

Nice attitude.

We all know deep down it really did bother you and we can only hope that you now make more of an effort (it's not that hard) to park between the lines

Was it you that left the note :-p

OP were you ever not able to charge at that Tesco due to both sockets being in use?

sam7777

livedadream wrote: »

I love stuff like this, people get so worked up, you have no idea what's going on with that person and their life. I'd say okay fair enough if it was happening frequently but a once off? thank god that's the biggest complaint you have in your life.
Maybe they got delayed, were unwell, had an emergency crop up, forgot? There's a million different reasons you don't know about only one of them is someone being selfish. Like the other poster said about the parking try not to let Yourself be bothered by the little things, be thankful that's your biggest complaint about your life.

who said its the biggest complaint about my life? you know nothing about me or the health issues i have

Oh lads come on.

sam7777

yes on both occasions mentioned,and other times too,especially weekends

endacl

spaceHopper wrote: »

They should be setup to charge you more begin draining the battery 20 minutes after it's fully charged

Better

TBi

appfry wrote: »

Maybe the plan to charge for time on the charger instead of KWh is the way to go..

I think this is a bad idea. They should charge per kWh while charging then charge per hour when full.

TBi

TBi wrote: »

I think this is a bad idea. They should charge per kWh while charging then charge per hour when full.

Charge per MIN , from 30 mins after the charge finishes. 30 mins grace is pretty fair.

newacc2015

livedadream wrote: »

I love stuff like this, people get so worked up, you have no idea what's going on with that person and their life. I'd say okay fair enough if it was happening frequently but a once off? thank god that's the biggest complaint you have in your life.
Maybe they got delayed, were unwell, had an emergency crop up, forgot? There's a million different reasons you don't know about only one of them is someone being selfish. Like the other poster said about the parking try not to let Yourself be bothered by the little things, be thankful that's your biggest complaint about your life.

It is comforting to think something is wrong in their life, but in reality they are probably not considerate of others at all rather than an emergency etc. What if OP was going across the country and their battery was almost dead. Should they just suck it up that they can't charge their car? It is an electric car. It is not like parking where they can go around the block a few times and hope they find a space.

If you were sitting there for 9 hours with a near dead battery, would you still be totally zen about the whole thing?

n97 mini

Be the hokey. I'm at that charge point as I type and there are two Leafs plugged in, a red 161 and a white 151. *Both* are finished charging. The red one has said note under the wiper.

slicedpanman

Innocent question here, not trying to side with anyone....

Is it possible to unplug the cable from the charger once charged? Scp and fcp? (And leave other end connected to the now fully charged car)

Just wondering if the situation arose for myself could I unplug if my own cable could reach from the adjacent parking spot?

Toyotafanboi

Can we have no more vandalism suggestions please gents. I'm sure nobody would like to return after a genuine delay to find their pride and joy damaged!

newacc2015

newacc2015 wrote: »

but in reality they are probably not considerate of others at all.

Like that Woman from Kill I met a some months ago, she arrived just before me at the Naas DC, I asked her would she be long I'm going nearly to Carlow and she said no.

I then watched her go to the Lidl across the road, she came back about 45 min later , which is when I asked her where she lived , she said Kill , then I said , so you need a 45 min charge to get to kill ?

Very, very unfair. People are so inconsiderate. I told her all I needed was 10 mins that I would have plugged her back, she just got into the car and drove off. It's not nice to experience after a 12 hr shift, up at 6 home at 9, but that's my problem sure and I wouldn't mind if someone absolutely needed the charge but to think she hadn't even the tiniest bit of decency to ask me how long I needed !

Another time I debated having some decency at the charge point to another local woman I was trashed and abused on the Irish EV owners FB page, not to be confused with the Irish EV owners Association and not by a small number of people so this will tell you the mentality that's out there and how you should be careful and don't confront anyone if they come back because there are many nutters out there and you'll most likely have your car reg posted all over FB !

n97 mini

slicedpanman wrote: »

Innocent question here, not trying to side with anyone....

Is it possible to unplug the cable from the charger once charged? Scp and fcp? (And leave other end connected to the now fully charged car)

Just wondering if the situation arose for myself could I unplug if my own cable could reach from the adjacent parking spot?

Chademo unlocks when the charge has ended, and it's considered OK to unplug it if you're in need. It's the only type that does unlock though.

Atlantic Dawn

Could a system not be put in place as to when the car is fully charged once a half an hour has passed that the car is then billed €20 an hour or part thereof that it is left connected?

livedadream

sam7777 wrote: »

livedadream wrote: »

I love stuff like this, people get so worked up, you have no idea what's going on with that person and their life. I'd say okay fair enough if it was happening frequently but a once off? thank god that's the biggest complaint you have in your life.
Maybe they got delayed, were unwell, had an emergency crop up, forgot? There's a million different reasons you don't know about only one of them is someone being selfish. Like the other poster said about the parking try not to let Yourself be bothered by the little things, be thankful that's your biggest complaint about your life.

who said its the biggest complaint about my life? you know nothing about me or the health issues i have

No I don't but if your taking to the internets to complain about it it's clearly a bigger issue to you than anything else. My point was just let it go who cares like... focus on the serious stuff in life that you can control.

jerryg

My own experience of 2 months EV ownership was when I badly needed a charge on two seperate occasions in October and there was a leaf seemingly owned by a hackney or taxi driver in Gorey Co. Wexford that is abandoned and left there at the fast charger .
I suspect this owner has 2 leafs that he uses in Gorey and interchanges when he needs them blocking the charger.
I have reported the incidents to ESB ecars
I inquired in the shop as to who owned them and was told it was a local taxi driver. and to unplug if they were charged.
The fast charge involved is the

Maxol Service Station, Arklow Road, Gorey, County Wexford

Edups

livedadream wrote: »

I love stuff like this, people get so worked up, you have no idea what's going on with that person and their life. I'd say okay fair enough if it was happening frequently but a once off? thank god that's the biggest complaint you have in your life.
Maybe they got delayed, were unwell, had an emergency crop up, forgot? There's a million different reasons you don't know about only one of them is someone being selfish. Like the other poster said about the parking try not to let Yourself be bothered by the little things, be thankful that's your biggest complaint about your life.

Could have sworn I had a car earlier....

Oh well

n97 mini

Just passed back that way again. Red Leaf plugged in still. My theory is it's someone gone to the airport on the bus.

BoatMad

Deleted User wrote: »

Charge per MIN , from 30 mins after the charge finishes. 30 mins grace is pretty fair.

per minute charging is very unfair to people with older batteries , and or less efficient charge system

KWH , plus a simple penalty system for over staying when charge session finishes ( there are a simple number of ways that could be implemented today )

BoatMad

jerryg wrote: »

My own experience of 2 months EV ownership was when I badly needed a charge on two seperate occasions in October and there was a leaf seemingly owned by a hackney or taxi driver in Gorey Co. Wexford that is abandoned and left there at the fast charger .
I suspect this owner has 2 leafs that he uses in Gorey and interchanges when he needs them blocking the charger.
I have reported the incidents to ESB ecars
I inquired in the shop as to who owned them and was told it was a local taxi driver. and to unplug if they were charged.
The fast charge involved is the

Maxol Service Station, Arklow Road, Gorey, County Wexford

oh thats our local " character " Francie. he has 6 taxis all together i believe

BoatMad

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Could a system not be put in place as to when the car is fully charged once a half an hour has passed that the car is then billed €20 an hour or part thereof that it is left connected?

the simple solution is a end of session time quota per 24 hours on a given FCP. lets say you get 30 minutes grace per day per charger for overstays ( i.e. an overstay is the car still plugged in but not charging ), Use up your overstay quantum and you cant charge at that particular charger for 24 hours.

that could be implemented today in the back office system that validates the Ecar cards.

( it should be noted that currently some FCPs cannot tell the difference between end of charge session and car disconnected , but thats only a software upgrade )

penalty billing is not a good idea , as in some instances the user may have been delayed through no fault of they own , the overstay quota allows them a degree of overstay

jerryg

Thanks BoatMad but what do you do legally with "Francie" in the immediate future as above ?

n97 mini

My view, which I'll be personally sending to the CER, is that there should be per minute charging once a charge has ended.

Additionally, if they want to charge per kw/h it should be added to my electricity bill at whatever rate I currently pay... I shop around for domestic supply and would like to continue to be rewarded for my efforts. This parallels the domestic situation where ESBN own and maintain the infrastructure, but the supply is open to competition, i.e. Airtricity etc.

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

per minute charging is very unfair to people with older batteries , and or less efficient charge system

KWH , plus a simple penalty system for over staying when charge session finishes ( there are a simple number of ways that could be implemented today )

This is what I posted.

Charge per MIN , from 30 mins after the charge finishes. 30 mins grace is pretty fair.

What I meant was

After the charge finishes then charge per minute they're stuck to the charge point.

TBi

BoatMad wrote: »

penalty billing is not a good idea , as in some instances the user may have been delayed through no fault of they own , the overstay quota allows them a degree of overstay

Penalty billing applies to normal parking so could be applied here. Hopefully they will allow people with valid reasons (medical/emergency) to easily recoup the extra cost.

BoatMad

TBi wrote: »

Penalty billing applies to normal parking so could be applied here. Hopefully they will allow people with valid reasons (medical/emergency) to easily recoup the extra cost.

Given the proposed system is a pay as you go , with in effect a top up account , I fail to see how penalty billing would actually work

BoatMad

n97 mini wrote: »

My view, which I'll be personally sending to the CER, is that there should be per minute charging once a charge has ended.

Additionally, if they want to charge per kw/h it should be added to my electricity bill at whatever rate I currently pay... I shop around for domestic supply and would like to continue to be rewarded for my efforts. This parallels the domestic situation where ESBN own and maintain the infrastructure, but the supply is open to competition, i.e. Airtricity etc.

Good submission idea , even of the CER seems set against kWh billing

Personally I don't think any form of monetary charging is appropriate in the near future

BoatMad

jerryg wrote: »

Thanks BoatMad but what do you do legally with "Francie" in the immediate future as above ?

Nothing , I've already reported him to ecars. There nothing they can do

BoatMad

I still find it strange that people , at this stage of EV evolution in Ireland , want to have monetary penalisation

The fact remains ,if you look around Europe at fast charging pricing regimes ( uk Holland ) is that typical charges are running at anything upto 50 cents per kWh ( whether time or unit based ) . If that was to arrive in Ireland EVs relying on the fcp system would be upwards of twice as expensive to operate compared to modern small diesels. Add to that the difficulties with EVs , the restriction on range and use ability and unknown residuals , and I'd say there would be little queueing at any fcp , in fact d say there'd be little EV usage at all. !!

Be careful what you wish for

AlanG

There were two cars parked on the charge spots near TGI in blanchardstown Shopping Center last weekend for at least 6 hours each. It was a little difficult to find spots elsewhere so most likely the owners just couldn't have been bothered moving them once charged. I imagine the problem will increase as Christmas approaches.

n97 mini

I charged the Leaf at Blanch yesterday. Knowing I would be away from the car for an hour I opted for AC so that the Chademo/CCS would be free for anyone stuck for a charge. I'm not sure fast chargers should be installed at locations such as this, they'd be better off on main arterial routes.

Although I had heard so many bad things about this location I didn't see any abuse while I was there.

the_pen_turner

Surely the actual problem here is that there isn't enough charging points. . If some of the power tool manufacturers can make a 6 or 8 port charger then surely it can be done in this application.


Also I'm sure they could put a feature on the system that you select how long you will be there for and it ques up the cars to optimise the charging.

TBi

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Surely the actual problem here is that there isn't enough charging points.

If people are hogging chargers then building more chargers is just a work around. It doesn't cure the problem, just helps people live with it.

Markcheese

the_pen_turner wrote:

Surely the actual problem here is that there isn't enough charging points. . If some of the power tool manufacturers can make a 6 or 8 port charger then surely it can be done in this application.

I agree there should be multi plug charging points.. so say 3 cars could be plugged in even if only 1 car is fast charging ... when the fast charge car nears 80% it'll slow down anyway.. allowing the others to speed up.

OH there's definitely not enough charge points be they AC or DC.

I've been lucky at Blanch, usually one AC side is free but watch out for the right AC side, it can stop charging for no reason and you might find the car unplugged when you get back, so don't blow a gasket and think they unplugged you, it's not the only AC point that does this too.

I find the 6.6 Kw highly useful , when I travel nearly from Carlow to Blanch after 2-2.5 hrs I've plenty to get home, if I had the 3.3 Kw I would need twice as long !

Sabre Man

BoatMad wrote: »

The fact remains ,if you look around Europe at fast charging pricing regimes ( uk Holland ) is that typical charges are running at anything upto 50 cents per kWh ( whether time or unit based )

How have EV sales in those countries been affected by after the introduction of payment for charging?

Free charging has not encouraged many people to buy EV in Ireland the last 5 years.........