12-11-2016 Autumn Internationals

Swan Curry

15 minutes in and France have already lost Guirado from a Samoan cheap shot

Adbrowne

Argentinian lad on BBC wales wearing a poppy. Im sure that will go down well back home.

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Swan Curry wrote: »

15 minutes in and France have already lost Guirado from a Samoan cheap shot

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former total

Basil3 wrote: »

I think your bar for a red is set too low, especially when there are incidents like SOB's last year which go unpunished (during the match).

For me, a red should really be restricted to the likes of biting, striking, gouging, stamping, spear tackle with downward force etc.

What Skelton did was deliberate. That puts a different spin on things for me. It wasn't over-exuberant rucking, he spotted a chance to nail a prone opponent.

SOB went unpunished because the ref didn't see it so I don't see the relevance. He subsequently got a ban because it was a red card offence.

CMOTDibbler

Basil3 wrote: »

I think your bar for a red is set too low, especially when there are incidents like SOB's last year which go unpunished (during the match).

For me, a red should really be restricted to the likes of biting, striking, gouging, stamping, spear tackle with downward force etc.

I was listening to Newstalk and they were saying that an email had gone out from World Rugby about a referee instruction to red card (what they said on Newstalk was) that very offence. It was issued this week, possibly even yesterday.

CMOTDibbler

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I was listening to Newstalk and they were saying that an email had gone out from World Rugby about a referee instruction to red card (what they said on Newstalk was) that very offence. It was issued this week, possibly even yesterday.

Game has gone soft. To me it's a legal move, illegally executed. If it was to the head, fair enough.

It's also not good for the viewing public when these supposed directives are issued, which leads to inconsistencies in punishments from a spectators point of view.

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Basil3 wrote: »

Game has gone soft. To me it's a legal move, illegally executed. If it was to the head, fair enough.

It's also not good for the viewing public when these supposed directives are issued, which leads to inconsistencies in punishments from a spectators point of view.

He drove his shoulder into a player, connected at the top of his back. It is dangerous. It was also dumb because the whistle had gone for an Aussie penalty and I reckon the scottish lad who foot blocked the pass was getting a YC too.

CMOTDibbler

Basil3 wrote: »

Game has gone soft. To me it's a legal move, illegally executed. If it was to the head, fair enough.

It's also not good for the viewing public when these supposed directives are issued, which leads to inconsistencies in punishments from a spectators point of view.

I work in other sports and I could go through each rule in a vey big rule book and tell you what brought it about. Or rather who.

World Rugby have obviously been watching incidents like this and have decided it's not part of the game.

Swan Curry

it's tough to cheer for samoa as a neutral when their gameplan is clearly to injure as many opposition players as possible

former total

Basil3 wrote: »

Game has gone soft. To me it's a legal move, illegally executed. If it was to the head, fair enough.

It's also not good for the viewing public when these supposed directives are issued, which leads to inconsistencies in punishments from a spectators point of view.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andymcgeady/status/797471896619143168

He went off his feet and led with his shoulder, into an opponent, making no attempt to bind himself. What part of that is legal?

Anyone who says the game has gone soft has never had 140kg of Will Skelton torpedoing towards them.

former total

former total wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/andymcgeady/status/797471896619143168

He went off his feet and led with his shoulder, into an opponent who was not bound to the ruck, making no attempt to bind himself. What part of that is legal?

Anyone who says the game has gone soft has never had 140kg of Will Skelton torpedoing towards them.

It's legal to clear out a player. The way he did it was illegal.

former total

Basil3 wrote: »

It's legal to clear out a player. The way he did it was illegal.

Exactly. Red card so.

former total

former total wrote: »

Exactly. Red card so.

By your logic everything in a rugby match that is not legal is a red.

Goodbye penalties and yellow cards, nice knowing you.

former total

Basil3 wrote: »

By your logic everything in a rugby match that is not legal is a red.

Goodbye penalties and yellow cards, nice knowing you.

No. I think what Skelton did was a red card. I hope the citing commissioner agrees.

It's a tough game, and the safety of rugby depends on people respecting their duty of care to their opponents. Skelton deliberately nailed a prone opponent because he was having a temper tantrum.

If you think that's acceptable, then we aren't going to agree here.

former total

former total wrote: »

No. I think what Skelton did was a red card. I hope the citing commissioner agrees.

It's a tough game, and the safety of rugby depends on people respecting their duty of care to their opponents. Skelton deliberately nailed a prone opponent because he was having a temper tantrum.

If you think that's acceptable, then we aren't going to agree here.

I don't think it's acceptable, I simply think it's a yellow card offence. I don't really have any other examples of that being a red to make me think it is deserving of one.

If it has been set out that it is a red, and the players and refs know that, then fair enough.

CatFromHue

Adbrowne wrote: »

He drove his shoulder into a player, connected at the top of his back. It is dangerous. It was also dumb because the whistle had gone for an Aussie penalty and I reckon the scottish lad who foot blocked the pass was getting a YC too.

I think Skelton was offside too

Edit: I think it would have been a very harsh red. I didn't think he made contact with the Scottish guys head, more his back.

Adbrowne

thats really dumb by wales. Ref telling them to stop and they dont, then they argue it with him

Adbrowne

wales v argies is just incompetence after incompetence

connemara man

You're being far too harsh on incompetent people

Swan Curry

how many penalties can argentina give away before a card comes out

ah, that many

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Swan Curry wrote: »

how many penalties can argentina give away before a card comes out

this ref has been excellent.

molloyjh

Someone's going to have to explain to me how that Welsh try was awarded. Surely there were 3 movements there?

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YC for AWJ ?

greendom

It was only Samoa but good to see France playing with a bit of style again. 7 tries tonight l

molloyjh

Adbrowne wrote: »

YC for AWJ ?

No, some good refereeing there. Didn't faff about with it, just made a good call and got on with it.

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Biggar tries to take an argie off the ball, then moans when he still loses the footrace.

molloyjh

Great try. Bigger being a total dick about it. Tried to attempt an off the ball tackle but pulled out and then starts claiming he was being held himself.

ongarite

Good try Argentina. No way that was a foul on Biggar

Swan Curry

What was Moriarty even thinking he was doing there? Just kicked the ball out from the wrong side for no reason

Adbrowne

did williams knock that on when he flicked it back infield?