Conservation Ranger

sadbob

It's been a while since this opportunity was available.

Good luck to all applicants.

https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/43095.htm

pheasant tail

Anyone any idea how many positions are going?

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE

That's a real...annoying application form.

Ayuntamiento

As always with the Public Service, they seem to be requesting a lot for circa 20k per annum. Still, it must be wonderful to get to work outdoors everyday.

daisyscience

Does anyone know what career advancement is like for these roles? I know its something you ask them normally but anyone have any insight on here?? It'd be really appreciated.

Yeboah

poor wages but wouldn't every time you go anywhere entitle you to subsistence payment which is not massive but would certainly add up

Donal55

Yeboah wrote: »

poor wages but wouldn't every time you go anywhere entitle you to subsistence payment which is not massive but would certainly add up

Not necessarily so. A supervisor with a local authority gets approx €10 per week subsistence.
An engineer with a local authority gets approx €15 per day subsistence.
I'd say this position is more closely aligned with the supervisor.

pheasant tail

Anyone having problems opening the application form??

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE

pheasant tail wrote: »

Anyone having problems opening the application form??

What problem are you having? Whats it saying?

I opened it no bother, well, think i had to download adobe but no problem.

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE

Closing date is Thursday.

pheasant tail

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE wrote: »

What problem are you having? Whats it saying?

I opened it no bother, well, think i had to download adobe but no problem.

Got it sorted cheers, that's one tough application form

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE

pheasant tail wrote: »

Got it sorted cheers, that's one tough application form

Ah its nasty, I took a look and just closed it, I must print it tonight and have a look at it tomorrow.

pheasant tail

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE wrote: »

Ah its nasty, I took a look and just closed it, I must print it tonight and have a look at it tomorrow.

Yep I was just helping my sister out with it disevening. I'd say the numbers applying will be huge, love to know how many jobs will actually come off it. Fisheries done the same earlier in the year and they got 11 posts so it may be something similar

BUACHAILL

I am having an issue with the application, downloaded no problem but when I am sending it there is no preview and looks like there is no content being sent. Is this purposely done ? Have latest version of flash etc and have tried it on both a mac and windows. cheers

riffmongous

Wow that's really little money

terrydel

Anyone else having trouble opening the new supplementary application form?
I'e the latest version of adobe reader and have tried all browsers, and just see the following message -

'Please wait... If this message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be able to display this type of document. You can upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader for Windows®, Mac, or Linux® by visiting http://www.adobe.com/go/reader_download. For more assistance with Adobe Reader visit http://www.adobe.com/go/acrreader. Windows is either a registered trademark or a trademark of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries. Mac is a trademark of Apple Inc., registered in the United States and other countries. Linux is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries.'

OpenYourEyes

terrydel wrote: »

Anyone else having trouble opening the new supplementary application form?
I'e the latest version of adobe reader and have tried all browsers, and just see the following message -

'Please wait... If this message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be able to display this type of document. You can upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader for Windows®, Mac, or Linux® by visiting http://www.adobe.com/go/reader_download. For more assistance with Adobe Reader visit http://www.adobe.com/go/acrreader. Windows is either a registered trademark or a trademark of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries. Mac is a trademark of Apple Inc., registered in the United States and other countries. Linux is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries.'

download the file to your computer and open it from there!

griffonmark

Im having terrible trouble uploading the second application form. After completing the extra questions how do I upload it? Its driving me crazy. I can see it; I can print it but when I try to attach it I get an error form on the email. Website says open the current jobs section and select the job youre applying for but I cant get there! The laptop is grinding to a halt also. Send as email doesnt work. Can anybody help? Deadline is Wednesday and the system - or is it me? - is the most clunky way of applying for a job and sending off the application.
Help. I'd say its easier disarming a couple of poachers than sending and filling out the forms for public jobs!

OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE

griffonmark wrote: »

Im having terrible trouble uploading the second application form. After completing the extra questions how do I upload it? Its driving me crazy. I can see it; I can print it but when I try to attach it I get an error form on the email. Website says open the current jobs section and select the job youre applying for but I cant get there! The laptop is grinding to a halt also. Send as email doesnt work. Can anybody help? Deadline is Wednesday and the system - or is it me? - is the most clunky way of applying for a job and sending off the application.
Help. I'd say its easier disarming a couple of poachers than sending and filling out the forms for public jobs!

Try different browser.

terrydel

griffonmark wrote: »

Im having terrible trouble uploading the second application form. After completing the extra questions how do I upload it? Its driving me crazy. I can see it; I can print it but when I try to attach it I get an error form on the email. Website says open the current jobs section and select the job youre applying for but I cant get there! The laptop is grinding to a halt also. Send as email doesnt work. Can anybody help? Deadline is Wednesday and the system - or is it me? - is the most clunky way of applying for a job and sending off the application.
Help. I'd say its easier disarming a couple of poachers than sending and filling out the forms for public jobs!

There's an email address in the message, you just send it to that address with your name and candidate id in the subject., well that's all I did, because that's the instructions. I didn't see anything about uploading it.
Hope this helps mate

weadick

Any recent developments on this?

terrydel

weadick wrote: »

Any recent developments on this?

I got an email confirming receipt of my supplementary application form, nothing beyond that.

ilovethistles

I rang PAS today & was told it will be another few weeks before the shortlisting for interview is completed

JKerova1

ilovethistles wrote: »

I rang PAS today & was told it will be another few weeks before the shortlisting for interview is completed

Still nothing. Must have been a lot of applications.

ilovethistles

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I rang PAS again and was given the same story, another FEW weeks! [sigh]

JKerova1

ilovethistles wrote: »

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I rang PAS again and was given the same story, another FEW weeks! [sigh]

Great

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Had an email from them this afternoon telling me I'm not going to the next stage.

ilovethistles

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Had an email from them this afternoon telling me I'm not going to the next stage.

Same
a bit disappointed as I have a relevant degree and quite a bit of relevant experience... I can only assume those who were successful have more experience. I was hoping the salary wouldn't appeal to those with more experience... ah well, what's meant for you won't pass you by!
Well done to all who are successful!

virino

My son, who has years of experience and a higher degree, and works voluntarily in this field, has just got the same e-mail. I'm beginning to wonder, do these jobs exist at all? It seems strange not to even get to interview stage.

cbsam74

I didn't get called myself and I have both relevant Wildlife and Conservation Management and Forestry qualifications and I worked in this field in the private sector. I think the jobs were gone before they were even advertised.

Uriel.

cbsam74 wrote: »

I didn't get called myself and I have both relevant Wildlife and Conservation Management and Forestry qualifications and I worked in this field in the private sector. I think the jobs were gone before they were even advertised.

They are entry level jobs and like all such jobs in departments go through PAS. There's no other way to fill them except through mobility or secondment.

virino

Could you explain that, please Uriel?

Uriel.

virino wrote: »

Could you explain that, please Uriel?

They are departmental appointments of full time permanent civil servants. All such appointments must stem from the public appointments service in the same way admin jobs etc are done.

Competitions such as this come with a significant resource burden for the hiring department and the PAS in terms of planning and executing the competition. In other words it is highly unlikely that a competition would be sanctioned if there wasn't a need and an intention to draw from it.

Departments can't hire staff under such circumstances by themselves, they must go through PAS. Ranger jobs are there, but the amount etc. Is anyone's guess and depends on vacancies and more importantly salaries budgets.

ilovethistles

Uriel. wrote: »

They are departmental appointments of full time permanent civil servants. All such appointments must stem from the public appointments service in the same way admin jobs etc are done.

Competitions such as this come with a significant resource burden for the hiring department and the PAS in terms of planning and executing the competition. In other words it is highly unlikely that a competition would be sanctioned if there wasn't a need and an intention to draw from it.

Departments can't hire staff under such circumstances by themselves, they must go through PAS. Ranger jobs are there, but the amount etc. Is anyone's guess and depends on vacancies and more importantly salaries budgets.

Yes, but do you think it's possible that certain people are earmarked for the position prior to the recruitment process? Therefore, no one else really stands a chance, regardless of skills, experience etc. ?

yabadabado

ilovethistles wrote: »

Yes, but do you think it's possible that certain people are earmarked for the position prior to the recruitment process? Therefore, no one else really stands a chance, regardless of skills, experience etc. ?

No .

Everyone goes through the same process and unless you can talk numerous people to give a candidate a free ride through several stages of the process it would be hard done.

By the nature of these tests there will always be people who feel hard done by but it's fairly transparent.

ilovethistles

That's what I thought... It just shows the level of competition out there at the moment...

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

yabadabado wrote: »

By the nature of these tests there will always be people who feel hard done by but it's fairly transparent.

There were no tests for this one though, just the application forms. So, going on what people here are saying about their own qualifications/experience, the people who did get through must be over qualified for these entry level positions.

JKerova1

Tbh I was surprised at the amount of interest. They pay was fairly crap. I'd say alot of the applicants were currently serving clerical officers looking to escape from the daily drudgery of the office.

virino

It is fairly clear that the environment and our natural heritage come pretty low in government priorities. It is hard to see people with higher qualifications than those posting here being content with fairly menial positions for such little money, and if there are other less visible criteria involved than knowledge, experience and a love of our wildlife, for instance, some kind of sinecurial positions for those with friends, well,
our heritage may go to hell, it seems. Also, curt generic email refusals after the time and thought people obviously put into their applications, are just not good enough by a long way.
I trust we will be hearing through an FOI eventually how many are being taken on and whether their English is good enough to deal with issues which may arise in the field.

OpenYourEyes

virino wrote: »

It is fairly clear that the environment and our natural heritage come pretty low in government priorities. It is hard to see people with higher qualifications than those posting here being content with fairly menial positions for such little money, and if there are other less visible criteria involved than knowledge, experience and a love of our wildlife, for instance, some kind of sinecurial positions for those with friends, well,
our heritage may go to hell, it seems. Also, curt generic email refusals after the time and thought people obviously put into their applications, are just not good enough by a long way.
I trust we will be hearing through an FOI eventually how many are being taken on and whether their English is good enough to deal with issues which may arise in the field.

I know people with PhDs who applied for the job! So there goes that theory...

Joe222

OpenYourEyes wrote: »

I know people with PhDs who applied for the job! So there goes that theory...

A huge amount of people out there are overlyqualified. We simply don't need all the graduates, masters and phd qualifications. Many people are realising this and are desperate to get some sort of secure employment.

Given that only 6 people could be taken on those 6 could not only be very qualified with relevant degrees but also have a huge interest and voluntary experience in various nature roles.

I read an article from the year 2000 on the internet about people who became conservation rangers. One had a Geography degree, another came from forestry management and the 3rd was a former primary school principal. The latter must have taken a near 50% paycut to take on the role. So clearly some people are not bothered about the poor pay and working rota as they feel they are doing something they love plus they may also have less living costs compared to the normal person.

OpenYourEyes

Joe222 wrote: »

A huge amount of people out there are overlyqualified. We simply don't need all the graduates, masters and phd qualifications. Many people are realising this and are desperate to get some sort of secure employment.

Not sure exactly what you mean by that? I'd argue that we need plenty of people with qualifications and experience, given the poor state of the Irish environment and wildlife populations. Also just because certain qualifications aren't listed in a job advertisement doesn't mean they wouldn't be very beneficial to have.

Edit: That being said, a person with a degree and experience will more often than not beat someone with a masters and no experience etc etc - academic qualifications are of limited use without experience in the field to compliment them (unless you're going for a strictly academic job).

virino

But as most above who applied seem to have more than adequate experience, OpenYourEyes.....
Where did you hear there were six jobs only, joe222?