Animal Abusers

OldNotWIse

Avery Sour Cranberry wrote: »

Your analogy holds no merit as it's incredibly biased. There's very little logic to it.



Wow... just wow...

While I understand that you are entitled to your opinion, your opinion is wrong.

How can an opinion be wrong?

The flying mouse

My opinion would be, if a member of my family was killed by accident or otherwise and a person there could have saved them or there pet, and they choose there pet, I would personally tear both there ****in heads of. Just my opinion like.

OldNotWIse

The flying mouse wrote: »

My opinion would be, if a member of my family was killed by accident or otherwise and a person there could have saved them or there pet, and they choose there pet, I would personally tear both there ****in heads of. Just my opinion like.

What kind of half-baked fúcked up scenario would involve such a choice?

The flying mouse

OldNotWIse wrote: »

What kind of half-baked fúcked up scenario would involve such a choice?

According to some folk here they would put there pets before humans.

OldNotWIse

The flying mouse wrote: »

According to some folk here they would put there pets before humans.

I know.

That doesn't answer my question though.

The flying mouse

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I know.

That doesn't answer my question though.

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That's my opinion, I am not interested in your question.

Discodog

I have been reading discussions like this for too long & they are always the same. People use the farming/vegan argument - how can you support animal welfare & eat them. There there is the "what is more important" argument, humans or animals. Thirdly the what constitutes cruelty argument.

What should happen to animal abusers is they should be caught. They rarely are because the Gardai see it as very low priority & don't get involved. The local SPCA's are voluntary, have little resources & no legal power. Many of them are in conflict with the ISPCA & refuse to be affiliated with it. The ISPCA's can don't anything without the Guards & even then it can be difficult to get evidence as local vets can be reluctant to give evidence. So you have situations like where a group of children stoned a foal to death but nothing was ever done.

The new Animal Welfare Bill puts a much heavier onus on people to look after their animals but it is pointless without enforcement. I could find numerous examples of cruelty within a small area but there are no Inspectors - well only 5 for the whole country. None of the dog law is enforced especially as some Counties only have one warden. The fines could easily pay for more wardens.


The simple fact is that we don't care. If we donated even half, pro rata , of the amount that UK people donate we could have an effective ISPCA & far less cruelty.

Stigura

Discodog wrote: »

If we donated even half, pro rata , of the amount that UK people donate we could have an effective ISPCA & far less cruelty.

Doesn't that presuppose that englands Arsepca are any more than a worthless bunch of political agitators, using their cloak of being any use to any animals in order to promulgate their own vision of 'Class War'. While the core ethos of the body remains to generate vast amounts of money, to salt away in banks.

Be careful what ye wish for. That's all.

Discodog

Stigura wrote: »

Doesn't that presuppose that englands Arsepca are any more than a worthless bunch of political agitators, using their cloak of being any use to any animals in order to promulgate their own vision of 'Class War'. While the core ethos of the body remains to generate vast amounts of money, to salt away in banks.

Be careful what ye wish for. That's all.

Errr Nope. It supposes that the RSPCA are an amazing organisation that do great work - I know because I have worked with them

Stigura

I knew a bloke had been in the Waffen SS, once

HellSquirrel

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

The actual connection is that cats were keeping tabs on the rat population. The killing of cats happened BEFORE the plague struck..it is said that because there were too few cats to kill the rats, the rat population exploded..it's really simple maths...

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that from what I read, the cats were being blamed for spreading the plague, hence the wiping them out (insofar as possible). The rats didn't just spontaneously generate the plague, the ones with the infected fleas were brought in on ships and they shared their livestock with the local populations, etcetera.

Mind you, it's much of a muchness really. Although I'm curious as to what the reason for a mass cat-slaughter would have been before the plague hit.

Edit: *grumble*, internet ate my first edit! But, I was just talking over the same topic with my fiance there and we ended up talking at cross-purposes, which may be what we've been doing too! I was talking about the outbreak of 1664-6, which ended with the Great Fire of London, which pretty much wiped out the last vestiges of it. He was talking about the Black Death (same disease, mind) of 1345-53, which wiped out something like a third of Europe's population. The interesting thing about that was that around that time, a bit before, the pope of the era went all papal infallibility on the topic of cats (possibly just black cats) being agents of the devil. This resulted in a culling of cats and, as you said, an explosion in the rat population. It may be that I was confusing the two events, or it's possible that there was another cat cull during the 1660s event, etcetera.