Driving under the speed limit

GustavoGaviria

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Sudden impacts kill. Been outside the average speed of the traffic increases the risk. Be that faster or slower.

FortySeven wrote: »

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

Your chasing shadows if you perceive that over a short commute your losing that much time. In a mathematical vacuum you could maybe argue 5 minutes but not in the real world. Your doing yourself and other road users no favors getting worked up.

pa990

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

To the road death statistics? I agree.

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

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m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Why is getting up 5 - 10 minutes earlier not an option? I think people like yourself are just impatient and need to learn to calm down and understand that the road does not belong to you.

M94

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

Why is getting up 5 - 10 minutes earlier not an option? I think people like yourself are just impatient and need to learn to calm down and understand that the road does not belong to you.

How is that an excuse for inappropriate driving? The road is for everyone so all drivers should be considerate of each other. You are saying that the road belongs to the slow drivers now instead of everyone, because if it belonged to everyone then they should move over to the hard shoulder and let the driver behind pass. This is perfectly legal but the slow drivers don't care about anyone else as they are the ones that think the road belongs to them as they cannot be bothered to move 1 metre to the left and let the cars pass. I have so much respect for drivers that drive slow but let you pass if they see you driving faster than them, but I think that's less than 1% of the drivers, so that almost never happens.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

Its 10 mins max on your 30 min journey. I bet if someone does the maths for someone to hold you up by 10 mins they probably need to be doing 20kph or something dramatic like that.

http://lifehacker.com/does-speeding-really-get-you-there-any-faster-1556767685

conzy

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

dennyk

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

I had to merge onto the M7 once while stuck behind a beater agricultural truck towing an open trailer full of several tons of rocks. He couldn't even get the thing up to 20km/h on flat ground, so why he was trying to get on the motorway, I have no idea. There were about a dozen cars behind me on the sliproad as well, and it was utter madness as everyone made a desperate scramble to get around the maniac rock hound and try to get up some speed before the fast-approaching 120km/h motorway traffic plowed all of us off the road. Last I saw of the truck, he'd thankfully given up trying to merge and was crawling along on the hard shoulder with his hazards on.

beauf

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

Your point seems to be that big disparity in speed is a major cause of accidents. Yet you're ok with a big disparity in high speed in the overtaking lane.

NickNickleby

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

Motorway driving in this country is awful. I drive out the M1 to Swords fairly often, outside rush hour. I drive at 80kph - the posted limit, and drop to 60kph at the turn off - again to match the posted speed limit. I'm often the slowest vehicle on the road. Worst offenders are the taxi drivers who tear up the outside lane past the M50 junction, then have to cross 4 lanes to get to the airport.

So , then you see all the break lights coming on as people try to slow down to match the speed of traffic using the slip roads. As we all know, sudden deceleration is going to cause those big rolling road blocks that are so common. If everyone was driving at the same speed, these blocks would be eliminated.

One reason for sudden deceleration is when one comes up behind a slow driver, with no opportunity to change lane. Once again, this deceleration is magnified as one moves back through the line of traffic.

So, I agree with the OP about slow driving, and also have my own bugbear about breaking speed limits on a motorway - this despite the great roads which could support 140kph, but traffic conditions wouldn't.

Consistency is the key.

Nick the self appointed motorway driving expert.:D

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

How is that an excuse for inappropriate driving? The road is for everyone so all drivers should be considerate of each other. You are saying that the road belongs to the slow drivers now instead of everyone, because if it belonged to everyone then they should move over to the hard shoulder and let the driver behind pass. This is perfectly legal but the slow drivers don't care about anyone else as they are the ones that think the road belongs to them as they cannot be bothered to move 1 metre to the left and let the cars pass. I have so much respect for drivers that drive slow but let you pass if they see you driving faster than them, but I think that's less than 1% of the drivers, so that almost never happens.

Holy shítballs batman... driving in the hard shoulder is stupid and dangerous. I don't think it's "perfectly legal" either. I you want to over take, wait for a suitable time and place where it's safe to do so. If you are looking for all drivers to be within the same 10kmph bracket, that's never going to happen.

Nowhere did I say that the road belongs to any type or group of drivers.

M94

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

Holy shítballs batman... driving in the hard shoulder is stupid and dangerous. I don't think it's "perfectly legal" either. I you want to over take, wait for a suitable time and place where it's safe to do so. If you are looking for all drivers to be within the same 10kmph bracket, that's never going to happen.

Nowhere did I say that the road belongs to any type or group of drivers.

Well, you're wrong no need to be so overly dramatic, have a look from the official theory test.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

Well, you're wrong no need to be so overly dramatic, have a look from the official theory test.

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

Ginger83

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

So who's breaking the rules of the road?

Who'd get a ticket?

FortySeven

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

It has been repeatedly stated on this thread that some of us don't have an option to get up earlier or set off earlier due to multiple commitments. As is common for many in life.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

It has been repeatedly stated on this thread that some of us don't have an option to get up earlier or set off earlier due to multiple commitments. As is common for many in life.

If people plan everything with no margin for delays no wonder they are so impatient and angry.

FortySeven

beauf wrote: »

If people plan everything with no margin for delays no wonder they are so impatient and angry.

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

yes there

Frances Silly Pink wrote:

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

How is it stupid? Are you implying you dont have the intelligence to guage whether it is safe or not to pull into a lane on your left to allow another car passed? I presume you wouldn't dare drive on a motorway. Thank God for that, I can only imagine the carnage you would cause.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

There's lots of solutions. Share with another parent. Have a child minder for the school run. Make an arrangement with work. Etc.

But if it's your habit to paint yourself into a corner, nothing anyone else says will change that. It's a bad habit for driving though.

beauf

yes there wrote: »

How is it stupid? Are you implying you dont have the intelligence to guage whether it is safe or not to pull into a lane on your left to allow another car passed? I presume you wouldn't dare drive on a motorway. Thank God for that, I can only imagine the carnage you would cause.

Id be on the fence about it. Can be unseen debris in there. I would use to to let faster drivers by, but I'd be very cautious.

GustavoGaviria

FortySeven wrote: »

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

So your commuting 30min on Rural roads with 100km limits with such heavy traffic that you can't get a chance to overtake?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FortySeven wrote: »

It has been repeatedly stated on this thread that some of us don't have an option to get up earlier or set off earlier due to multiple commitments. As is common for many in life.

I get the feeling people just don't want to change their ways and everybody else is at fault.

FortySeven wrote: »

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

Can the kids not be in school 10 - 15 minutes early? We were often dropped off at school early due to my parents having to work. The school wasn't empty and we took part in some activities etc. Maybe this can be arranged at your childrens' school to facilitate parents?

yes there wrote: »

How is it stupid? Are you implying you dont have the intelligence to guage whether it is safe or not to pull into a lane on your left to allow another car passed? I presume you wouldn't dare drive on a motorway. Thank God for that, I can only imagine the carnage you would cause.

Since when did the hard shoulder become a lane? We are not talking about the motorway either so no idea why you are bringing that up. Your post if full of assumptions and one large very flammable straw man.

The hard shoulder is intended for cyclists and pedestrians. If there's not enough room on the road to carefully overtake, then don't. The hard shoulder should be left free for other road users.

Instead of debating the points, you are launching an ad hominem attack. There's a lot more logical fallacies out there for you to get through, although, I would rather discuss the issues at hand.

M94

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

I get the feeling people just don't want to change their ways and everybody else is at fault.



Can the kids not be in school 10 - 15 minutes early? We were often dropped off at school early due to my parents having to work. The school wasn't empty and we took part in some activities etc. Maybe this can be arranged at your childrens' school to facilitate parents?



Since when did the hard shoulder become a lane? We are not talking about the motorway either so no idea why you are bringing that up. Your post if full of assumptions and one large very flammable straw man.

The hard shoulder is intended for cyclists and pedestrians. If there's not enough room on the road to carefully overtake, then don't. The hard shoulder should be left free for other road users.

Instead of debating the points, you are launching an ad hominem attack. There's a lot more logical fallacies out there for you to get through, although, I would rather discuss the issues at hand.

This makes no sense. The only difference between the hard shoulder and the normal driving lane is just a painted line, it's literally same road with a line separating the parts. Because you are so inconsiderate of other drivers that's why we have so much congestions due to entitlement. If you look at Germany for example drivers are taught to be considerate of other road users and let them pass and they do it, that is the reason it works there but due to self entitlement there will be congestions forever in Ireland and the only thing left to do is emigrate which already a lot of Irish people done or buy a fast motorcycle, those are the only two options I see in order to avoid wasting half of your life sitting in a car.

The Backwards Man

I'd be totally against driving in the hard shoulder regardless of speed. You can debate the rights and wrongs and who is at fault all day you've decapitated the ten year old kid that cycled out of a field gate not expecting you to be barrelling down the hard shoulder instead of the driving lane.

*just one of the things I've seen from driving in the hard shoulder to allow overtaking.

beauf

M94 wrote: »

This makes no sense. The only difference between the hard shoulder and the normal driving lane is just a painted line,...

Often the surface is different, and is more likely to have hazards. Also its use case is completely different.

Hardly just a painted line.

GustavoGaviria

M94 wrote: »

This makes no sense. The only difference between the hard shoulder and the normal driving lane is just a painted line, it's literally same road with a line separating the parts. Because you are so inconsiderate of other drivers that's why we have so much congestions due to entitlement. If you look at Germany for example drivers are taught to be considerate of other road users and let them pass and they do it, that is the reason it works there but due to self entitlement there will be congestions forever in Ireland and the only thing left to do is emigrate which already a lot of Irish people done or buy a fast motorcycle, those are the only two options I see in order to avoid wasting half of your life sitting in a car.

What are you on? Hyperbol pills?

Nobody left the country over a little traffic and those that have left experience similar if not worse congestion. Producing a screenshot saying the hardshoulder can be used briefly those not mean it can be re-purposed to be a slowlane for drivers.

Since you want considerate drivers. Consider the Walkers, Cyclists, Actual Slow Moving Traffic like tractors, Horses, Broken down cars, Emeregency Services and the Garda who all at times need use of the hardshoulder. Now consider how many have been killed over the years by impatient, inconsiderate drivers chasing that extra 30 seconds. Too much Hyperbol ?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

This makes no sense. The only difference between the hard shoulder and the normal driving lane is just a painted line, it's literally same road with a line separating the parts. Because you are so inconsiderate of other drivers that's why we have so much congestions due to entitlement. If you look at Germany for example drivers are taught to be considerate of other road users and let them pass and they do it, that is the reason it works there but due to self entitlement there will be congestions forever in Ireland and the only thing left to do is emigrate which already a lot of Irish people done or buy a fast motorcycle, those are the only two options I see in order to avoid wasting half of your life sitting in a car.

Emigrate because of driving? Then you mention Germany? Do you have any idea how bad traffic in Germany can be? None i'd imagine. The hard shoulder is quite different to the main driving lane, the hint is in the name

Where did I imply that I am inconsiderate of other drivers?

Germany is used so many times in this forum as an example of good driving. There are many points we can take from how they drive in Germany, but it's not this shining example of perfect driving everybody thinks it is. Tailgating, merging and speeding is quite common in Germany.

stoneill

The real issue is the lack of courtesy and common sense on the roads of Ireland, as clearly demonstrated on some of the opinions aired here

stoneill

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I disagree completely, if you want to sit at 90 in the very left lane then nobody is going to care. It's the clowns sitting in the overtaking lane at that speed thats grinds people's gears.

That would be an example of the lack of common sense