World on track to lose two thirds of wild animals by 2020

Dr Crayfish

From the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/27/world-on-track-to-lose-two-thirds-of-wild-animals-by-2020-major-report-warns

Do any of you actually care? No one really does, I suppose it's a shame, but we were always heading this way.
As long as we continue a consumer society that hoovers up every available resource on the planet, we're just digging the planets own grave.
It's laughable that they even suggest low carbon action is required now, as if anyone would bother!
Depressing though, isn't it?

tomwaterford

This definitly a job for captain planet

corner of hells

tomwaterford wrote: »

This definitly a job for captain planet

And Ocean Boy ?

razorblunt

Sure we can't just use the sun, wind and wave energy.

tomwaterford

corner of hells wrote: »

And Ocean Boy ?

For those too young to remember....cartoon used come with subliminal messaging :pac:



https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=captain+planet+theme+song+site:youtube.com&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&biw=360&bih=559&prmd=vin&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiykfeJyfrPAhUEKGMKHXhkD9sQ_AUIBCgA&dpr=2

Dr Crayfish

razorblunt wrote: »

Sure we can't just use the sun, wind and wave energy.

How's that going to stop farming destroying natural habitat for wildlife?

Advbrd

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

How's that going to stop farming destroying natural habitat for wildlife?

Soylent Green.

Butters1979

tomwaterford wrote: »

For those too young to remember....cartoon used come with subliminal messaging :pac:



https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=captain+planet+theme+song+site:youtube.com&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&biw=360&bih=559&prmd=vin&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiykfeJyfrPAhUEKGMKHXhkD9sQ_AUIBCgA&dpr=2

I don't think that was subliminal. In was pretty direct.

tomwaterford

Butters1979 wrote: »

I don't think that was subliminal. In was pretty direct.

Sarcasm deosnt travel well by text :P



Though there used be an urban myth that there was an episode of that banned in ireland during the troubles.....dunno how true that was

The Backwards Man

People only care about saving animals that look cute in the zoo.

You never see campaigns to save warthogs or dogfish or slaters, it's only snow leopards and pandas and elephants. People might say they care, but they don't.

Advbrd

Star_Nupa wrote: »

I hate humans. I'm all in favour of a planet of the apes scenario.

Just take a trip to Offaly.

Rory28

Advbrd wrote: »

Soylent Green.

Yummy.

Butters1979

tomwaterford wrote: »

Sarcasm deosnt travel well by text :P



Though there used be an urban myth that there was an episode of that banned in ireland during the troubles.....dunno how true that was

Ah. Especially to my dopey brain this early in the morning. Sorry about that. I remember that rumour. Now with the power of the Interne, I will research it. Sorry work. Important stuff to do.

Butters1979

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People only care about saving animals that look cute in the zoo.

You never see campaigns to save warthogs or dogfish or slaters, it's only snow leopards and pandas and elephants. People might say they care, but they don't.

It pays to be pretty.

corner of hells

tomwaterford wrote: »

For those too young to remember....cartoon used come with subliminal messaging :pac:



https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=captain+planet+theme+song+site:youtube.com&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&biw=360&bih=559&prmd=vin&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiykfeJyfrPAhUEKGMKHXhkD9sQ_AUIBCgA&dpr=2

No way... I'm finally to old to remember something.

Your Face

Don't.
Please don't.
After the assassination of Harambe I found it hard to love again.

SEPT 23 1989

Dr Crayfish

Can we close this thread? Responses just show how f*cked we are really. Is there a more suitable forum?

gramar

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Can we close this thread? Responses just show how f*cked we are really. Is there a more suitable forum?

Are you feeling endangered...Dr...Crayfish?

Butters1979

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Can we close this thread? Responses just show how f*cked we are really. Is there a more suitable forum?

Responses just show that two decades of unscientific hyperbole from 'activists' mean most people no longer listen to things like this. Beside most of the wealthy family student celebrity activist hipsters have jumped from the environmental band wagon to the immigration band wagon.

Although as both a doctor and a crayfish you could speak with authority on the subject I'm sure.

Butters1979

Update: Captain planet episode was indeed banned in northern Ireland. Unbelievable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Captain_Planet_episodes

episode 64 "If It's Doomsday, This Must Be Belfast".

"The episode's portions set in Belfast have become a popular viral internet meme; its wildly inaccurate accents and depictions of the Troubles have been met with large degrees of mirth from Northern Ireland inhabitants, when originally released in the US it was viewed by the Northern Ireland government and banned from release in the third season run in Northern Ireland."

Some good entertainment here. The accents are brilliant.

http://www.irishcentral.com/culture/entertainment/captain-planet-saves-belfast-and-promotes-peace-in-northern-ireland-video

Subacio

As long as the two thirds includes the cats that come into my garden every night to empty their bowels, I'm OK with that.

Widdershins

Yes, I do care, personally. About the ugly animals and the cute ones. It's not just exotic animals. Our own native wildlife's going to be something children only experience when they read about it in storybooks not too far down the line.
The way to tackle the decimation of the natural world and get through to people who are totally apathetic is to put a monetary value on everything in the ecosystem.
I'm not a trustafarian, by the way.

Grayson

The science is in and the world is fcuked.

fcuked, fcuked, fcuked.

It's utterly terrifying the damage climate change is going to do. And yet we still have obstructionist politicians using it as a political issue. Hell, Trump doesn't just say it's not real, he says it's a Chinese conspiracy.

Austria!

Butters1979 wrote: »

Responses just show that two decades of unscientific hyperbole from 'activists' mean most people no longer listen to things like this.

We're on track for about 4-6 degrees of warming, and we have lost half our wildlife in the last 40 years. What did you read that was hyperbolic, because it must have been pretty dire?

Dr Crayfish

Austria! wrote: »

We're on track for about 4-6 degrees of warming, and we have lost half our wildlife in the last 40 years. What did you read that was hyperbolic, because it must have been pretty dire?

Apparently you're a "hipster" if you question the Governments raison d'etre being to focus solely on growth and industry and creating more and more stuff. Which in turn destroys the planet. It's unsustainable and will lead to a total collapse of Western Society sooner or later, but no one cares.

Galwayguy35

It bothers me.

There's too many humans, we could do with a cull every year and leave the animals alone.

RayCon

The World is on track to lose two thirds of wild animals ....

Makes it sound like a target ..... if so ... that's excellent progress. Keep it up.

diograis

Butters1979 wrote: »

Responses just show that two decades of unscientific hyperbole from 'activists' mean most people no longer listen to things like this. Beside most of the wealthy family student celebrity activist hipsters have jumped from the environmental band wagon to the immigration band wagon.

Although as both a doctor and a crayfish you could speak with authority on the subject I'm sure.

As a complete aside, some of these replies are hilarious guys keep it up :P

What makes you so certain it's hyperbole? What do you actually know about the loss of biodiversity and mass extinction in the 21st century? And who are these people you speak of?

darlett

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Apparently you're a "hipster" if you question the Governments raison d'etre being to focus solely on growth and industry and creating more and more stuff. Which in turn destroys the planet. It's unsustainable and will lead to a total collapse of Western Society sooner or later, but no one cares.

If only the problem was just western society you could see it as something that might be addressable as many in our society lobby politicians and occasionally good is achieved. But unfortunately unsustainability is also at the centre of Asian Society and African Society and (generalisation alert) their societies seem too pressed on day to day survival to have similar movements making an impact at the top of their politics. Depressing to think of our delightful efforts taxing plastic bags vs industrial pollution on a grand scale of China. We are an insatiable species and after we eat all the animals, and global warming turns our green fields to dust, we will eat our children, and then finally ourselves.

But there's no need to be down about it cos life is short. :pac:

Sam Kade

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

From the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/27/world-on-track-to-lose-two-thirds-of-wild-animals-by-2020-major-report-warns

Do any of you actually care? No one really does, I suppose it's a shame, but we were always heading this way.
As long as we continue a consumer society that hoovers up every available resource on the planet, we're just digging the planets own grave.
It's laughable that they even suggest low carbon action is required now, as if anyone would bother!
Depressing though, isn't it?

Do you normally believe every type of bullsh1t you read?

Dr Crayfish

Sam Kade wrote: »

Do you normally believe every type of bullsh1t you read?

Do you think it's incorrect? What's your take on it?

Sam Kade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It bothers me.

There's too many humans, we could do with a cull every year and leave the animals alone.

Lead the way others might follow :rolleyes:

Sam Kade

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Do you think it's incorrect? What's your take on it?

Just more alarmist nonsense, they want to get rid of cows and people but are worried about wildlife.

Dr Crayfish

Sam Kade wrote: »

Just more alarmist nonsense, they want to get rid of cows and people but are worried about wildlife.

Er, what?

Widdershins

Sam Kade wrote: »

Just more alarmist nonsense, they want to get rid of cows and people but are worried about wildlife.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/nature-studies-centuries-of-decline-in-the-uk-s-wildlife-can-be-halted-if-we-start-now-10402666.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nature-studies-we-care-about-the-destruction-of-society-not-the-natural-world-a6727676.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/is-it-possible-to-put-a-price-on-nature-and-if-we-can-should-we-a6736821.html

Sam Kade

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Er, what?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2011/03/04/greenpeace-cofounder-slams-species-extinction-scare-study-as-proof-of-how-peerreview-process-has-become-corrupted-ndash-study-greatly-underestimate-the-rate-new-species-can-evolve/

Capt'n Midnight

https://xkcd.com/1338/ comparing Land Mammals by total weight. We are living through an extinction event.

explanation
http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1338

Special Circumstances

Austria! wrote: »

We're on track for about 4-6 degrees of warming, and we have lost half our wildlife in the last 40 years. What did you read that was hyperbolic, because it must have been pretty dire?

When are we on track for 4-6 degrees of warming? According to who/what/where?

Austria!

Special Circumstances wrote: »

When are we on track for 4-6 degrees of warming? According to who/what/where?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/31/planet-will-warm-4c-2100-climate

https://web.archive.org/web/20101229170710/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/policymakers/action/evidence.html

Austria!

Special Circumstances wrote: »

When are we on track for 4-6 degrees of warming? According to who/what/where?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/31/planet-will-warm-4c-2100-climate

https://web.archive.org/web/20101229170710/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/policymakers/action/evidence.html

Special Circumstances

Austria! wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/31/planet-will-warm-4c-2100-climate

https://web.archive.org/web/20101229170710/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/policymakers/action/evidence.html

80 years from now? How many plot twists have we had since 1990? "If the real world continues to match my model for another 80 odd years we could theoretically likely be looking at 6 degrees temp rise"

The same people who tell us we are definitely possibly maybe on for 4-6 degrees of global warming are telling us diesel is clean and we should all be driving it to save the environment. And to avoid the peak oil that was supposed to happen there a while back.

And the carbon credits, great yokes for stopping global warming, that and taxes and banning incandesent light bulbs.

Closer to science fiction than science fact a lot of it.

Widdershins

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Closer to science fiction than science fact a lot of it.

Do you live in a city and have little contact with nature? Even if you can't bother to read what experts are saying about extinction, Anyone with their eyes open can see the marked decline in flora and fauna here in Ireland.

_Brian

I think expecting everyone to really care about this problem is asking just too much.
So many people have such a hard struggle to provide any sort of basic lifestyle and opportunities for their families ants expecting them to somehow crusade for the environment isn't going to work.
Plus the results have too much of a lead time to interest them in the sacrifice.

What we need are proper government led initiatives where more resources are put into the long term planning and development of protected spaces for wildlife to thrive.

Whole tracts of Ireland are unsuitable for intensive farming - supporting farming to eek out a survival in these areas is pointless, it would be much better to provide the same supports to develop large connected broad leaf forested areas where traditional natural wildlife would flourish.

Dr Crayfish

_Brian wrote: »

Whole tracts of Ireland are unsuitable for intensive farming - supporting farming to eek out a survival in these areas is pointless, it would be much better to provide the same supports to develop large connected broad leaf forested areas where traditional natural wildlife would flourish.

Stop making valid contributions, it goes against the spirit of the thread

Special Circumstances

Widdershins wrote: »

Do you live in a city and have little contact with nature? Even if you can't bother to read what experts are saying about extinction, Anyone with their eyes open can see the marked decline in flora and fauna here in Ireland.

I specifically asked for extra info on this vague "on track for a 4-6 degree temp increase" claim.
Once provided with this info I asserted that it was reliable as the "peak oil" predictions.

At no point did I suggest that measurable and observable "in the now" events were a fairy story.

I can see NO REFERENCE to a marked decline in flora and fauna in Ireland in the articles supporting this "4 degrees for sure, maybe 6" temperature theory. So I don't see how saying "it's just a theory, like so many other environmental theories", is some kind of flora and fauna holocaust denial?

But hey, just misquote/misinterpret/misrepresent away there. Let's not bring facts, truth, science or logic into a debate about the environment. How about that clean diesel eh?

ScumLord

I think they seriously need to revise their campaign because I don't think people are fully aware of whats happening. It's not just that a few animals won't be around anymore, entire ecosystems could collapse, if animals like bees continue to decline it could take crops and industries with it. Every animal is part of an ecosystem, it's disappearance has all kinds of knock on effects.

We're not destroying the planet, we're creating a new one, one that we'll more than likely be able to survive in but one that won't be ideal for us.

Advbrd

This year I actually noticed an increase in bee activity in my garden and for the first time in the 10 years I have been here I found frogs in the garden and one in my toilet which freaked the hell out of my daughter.

Dohnjoe

Special Circumstances wrote: »

80 years from now? How many plot twists have we had since 1990? "If the real world continues to match my model for another 80 odd years we could theoretically likely be looking at 6 degrees temp rise"

The same people who tell us we are definitely possibly maybe on for 4-6 degrees of global warming are telling us diesel is clean and we should all be driving it to save the environment. And to avoid the peak oil that was supposed to happen there a while back.

And the carbon credits, great yokes for stopping global warming, that and taxes and banning incandesent light bulbs.

Closer to science fiction than science fact a lot of it.

The fact that 14 out of the last 15 years have produced record breaking temperatures doesn't alarm you?

There have been a lot of crank and false predictions about everything and anything from the 80's and 90's - that has zero bearing on observable change

Also no one says "diesel is clean", it's just has slightly less emissions than petrol. You don't have to be a genius to realise that both are bad for the environment, just one slightly less so than the other

Remember the Ozone hole? yeah we made that, but I remember dingbats at the time acting incredulous that their deodorant was creating a hole in the atmosphere

Special Circumstances

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The fact that 14 out of the last 15 years have produced record breaking temperatures doesn't alarm you?

There have been a lot of crank and false predictions about everything and anything from the 80's and 90's - that has zero bearing on observable change

Also no one says "diesel is clean", it's just has slightly less emissions than petrol. You don't have to be a genius to realise that both are bad for the environment, just one slightly less so than the other

Remember the Ozone hole? yeah we made that, but I remember dingbats at the time acting incredulous that their deodorant was creating a hole in the atmosphere

When is peak oil?

Dohnjoe

Special Circumstances wrote: »

When is peak oil?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicting_the_timing_of_peak_oil

Predictions are based on different studies, using different methods, by different people - based on the factors of the time (which constantly change)

That's why, for example, I've read headlines that certain tiger species were about to go extinct by X date about a dozen times over the last decades

Most tiger species haven't gone extinct (yet) but that doesn't mean all the predictions were incorrect nor does it mean that I can dance around proclaiming that the "experts" got it wrong