Weak RTÉ - cancellation of Cathal mccaroon

J.pilkington

RTE have confirmed that they are cancelling the appearance of the above GAA chap due to a nut job parent. Anyone else think this is wrong?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html

I think in the context of this discussion we need to ignore the GAA players past issues(gambling, alcohol, porn!) as they have nothing to do RTE basically declaring this guy guilty, as I read the article
- Man met a female on tinder
- female claimed she was 19 (facebook age was 19, spoke about driving her car, college, work)
- when man met female he claimed she looked 19
- girl had serious social issues prior to meeting the man
- girl had what appears to be a very aggressive father (demanding to read text messages to prove she was meeting a friend for coffee at 7pm before letting her go, going mental when she was 20mins late)
- they met once for 90 minutes in a busy shopping mall (what went on not disclosed) at 7pm
- gardai investigated issue
- DPP decided not to proceed with the case as the girl deceived the chap about her age

So RTE are ignoring the fact that the DPP have found no case against a person and esssemtialy implying that he is guilty based on the threats of a parent threatening to drive to RTÉ and go mental.

The most disturbing part of this is that a GAA man, a class of people that was formerly the personification of no bullshít down-to-earthedness, is the subject of tabloid "celebrity" tittle tattle in the rag press.

That, and that somebody has written a "biography" at 28 years of age.

ANXIOUS

I agree with Rte 100% on this, the father outlined the affect seeing him in the paper had on her. At the end of the day she is the victim and needs to be protected.

Would you let Ched Evens on, now that he has been found not guilty?

J.pilkington

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I agree with Rte 100% on this, the father outlined the affect seeing him in the paper had on her. At the end of the day she is the victim and needs to be protected.

Would you let Ched Evens on, now that he has been found not guilty?

My point seem to have really passed you by, ched Evans was convicted this man was not. RTE are treating this man as if he was convicted

Are you also saying this man should retire from GAA?

Do you not also think what the father has done will only cause more media attention?

ANXIOUS

J.pilkington wrote: »

My point seem to have really passed you by, ched Evans was convicted this man was not. RTE are treating this man as if he was convicted

Are you also saying this man should retire from GAA?

Do you not also think what the father has done will only cause more media attention?

Evans had his conviction quashed and then found not guilty.

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No, I don't think he is. I think k he is trying to get justice for his daughter. He should put pressure on the UK authorities to look into whether they can prosecute him under UK child sex tourism laws.

Galwayguy35

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Evans had his conviction quashed and then found not guilty.

Mod-Potentially libelous remark removed

No, I don't think he is. I think k he is trying to get justice for his daughter. He should put pressure on the UK authorities to look into whether they can prosecute him under UK child sex tourism laws.

Why?

She was on Tinder which is an over 18s dating site, had her age as 19 on FB and from reading the article he didn't intentionally go out looking for a 15 year old.

He was an asshole for cheating but that's not a criminal offense.

ANXIOUS

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why?

She was on Tinder which is an over 18s dating site, had her age as 19 on FB and from reading the article he didn't intentionally go out looking for a 15 year old.

He was an asshole for cheating but that's not a criminal offense.

If you go into a night club and get off with a child, you aren't legally allowed delegate responsibility to the bouncers to ensure she is over 18. Same thing here children need full protection by our laws.

Eamondomc

Seen this story early in the week, I d be indifferent to whether he appears or not, wouldn't watch it anyway.
I can understand quite well the fathers wishes for this man not to be seen on our national tv station, and probably giving his side of the story about what happened with the girl.
Certainly I think Rte wimped out and could have interviewed mc carron on the other stuff in his life, he sounds like he was a bit of a nut job.
Cant understand though, the OP calling the girls father a "nut job" parent, I think most parents in this situation would act the same.

Skyfarm

The father is right ,while the girl didn't show good moral judgement the father is protecting her when she clearly cant,
He is showing her for later years how to safely parent and protect her children ,my guess is there's other kids within the wider family circle


The deception on age is different,the onus is on both parties to make sure everything is a ok,i don't have the answer

SEPT 23 1989

28 year old man chasing a 15/19 year old around

Every father would react the same

Galwayguy35

ANXIOUS wrote: »

If you go into a night club and get off with a child, you aren't legally allowed delegate responsibility to the bouncers to ensure she is over 18. Same thing here children need full protection by our laws.

Door staff should be held responsible so that minors don't get in, a nightclub could be prosecuted for letting under 18s drink alcohol yet if a guy met someone in an over 18s venue and made an honest mistake you'd like to throw the book at him.

Girls can make themselves look older and and a 15 year knows what she is doing if she lies about her age to a fella.

Galwayguy35

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

28 year old man chasing a 15/19 year old around

Every father would react the same

What's wrong with a 28 year old dating a 19 year old which is what he thought she was?

SEPT 23 1989

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What's wrong with a 28 year old dating a 19 year old which is what he thought she was?

Wouldn't sit comfortable with me at that age

Galwayguy35

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Wouldn't sit comfortable with me at that age

Fair enough.

Eamondomc

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Wouldn't sit comfortable with me at that age

My old man was 16 years older than my mother!

Special Circumstances

Eamondomc wrote: »

My old man was 16 years older than my mother!

Thats why he was never on the Late Late.

Eamondomc

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Thats why he was never on the Late Late.

Lol.

Colser

If he wasn't known for the other exploits would he be getting huge amount of support for this incident?

Fr_Dougal

Jesus, what is happening to the GAA. I wonder if they'll be the Catholic Church of the 21st century.

glued

A 15 year old girl posed as a 19 year old woman on Tinder and somehow this is the mans fault?

What a stupid little country we live in.

padd b1975

Colser wrote: »

If he wasn't known for the other exploits would he be getting huge amount of support for this incident?

Probably not unfortunately.

We've got the same guff being spun at the moment about an AI winning goalkeeper.

Ditto Oisin McConville and Nail McMamee in recent years.

Self-centred scumbags the lot of them.

mrsdewinter

That article doesn't say RTE pulled the plug on the interview because of the father's intervention.
To be honest, it sounds like a pretty taudry subject matter for the Late Late. This guy seems to have zero judgment - appearing in a porno to clear his debts, meeting a 19yo who drives a Jag on his way from a Gambler's Anonymous meeting... Now there's the prospect of an angry middle-aged man lying in wait to deck him on Fri night. McCarron's real problem is that he's addicted to drama. Perhaps RTE have taken the decision not to enable him.

Zaph

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I think k he is trying to get justice for his daughter. He should put pressure on the UK authorities to look into whether they can prosecute him under UK child sex tourism laws.

Prosecute him for what exactly? The article only says they were meeting for coffee. There's nothing to suggest that anything untoward actually happened.

dav3

J.pilkington wrote: »

RTE have confirmed that they are cancelling the appearance of the above GAA chap due to a nut job parent. Anyone else think this is wrong?.

You could have at least put forward some of the quotes from what you describe as a "nut job parent".

“My daughter had a breakdown. We had to get counselling for her. Counselling didn't go too well because she is not a very social person.
“We went through three or four counsellors before we found one that she would talk to. We didn't make much headway there either.

“She was in the psychiatric unit in Tallaght and she is on psychiatric drugs at the minute.

“She had another episode last weekend because that interview was in the paper. It was all over the place.

“She wasn't at school Monday or Tuesday. She is doing her Leaving Cert now this year and she couldn’t go to school. She can’t sleep so we have to deal with that.”

I think most reasonable people would do exactly the same thing, regardless if they had children or not. I certainly wouldn't describe them as a "nut job parent".

Little CuChulainn

Seems like a lot of blame to put on the GAA star. Her mental problems obviously go way beyond him if she had a breakdown over such a minor incident. I think the father should look at his own behaviour and consider how it is contributing to the daughters state.

Colser

I think what the father is doing is actually bringing more attention to the whole incident tbh and may only be delaying rather than stopping the interview.

S. Goodspeed

RTE in "avoid controversy at all costs" shocker...

The father is obviously trying to find someone to blame for his daughters issues (she clearly has a lot) and has found a very nice high profile target in this GAA "star". The fact is his daughter needs helps and would have regardless of this set up with Cathal, it was going to manifest itself somehow, either with another unsuspecting adult male or somehow else.

Trying to blame and prosecute Cathal here seems to be the equivalent of prosecuting a driver who was driving just about within the speed limit and hit a minor who intentionally jumped out in front of his car.

thebaz

J.pilkington wrote: »

My point seem to have really passed you by, ched Evans was convicted this man was not. RTE are treating this man as if he was convicted

This lovely man was convicted last week for turning on bar staff in Temple bar , I'm all for redemption, in fact the book he is trying to sell is about redemption and recovery , but this man seams a scum of a man - I don't want to have my TV licence money used on promoting such.
PS the girl was 15 ,

hannible the cannible

A 28 year old tried to get off with a 19 year old , more luck to him

What I can't understand is the vitriol towards an innocent man , OK he's had his issues but has he done anything illegal ? No , he was deceived by a fake tinder account set up under a fake Facebook account by a 15 year old girl , the only person that has done anything wrong from what I can see is the 15 year old

Is she stupid ? did she not know what she was doing , at what point did it seem to be a good idea to her to try and deliberately deceive and set up men , what was her agenda ? I presume he was just 1 of a number of men who she got into contact with , how many did she meet .

15 is by no means an adult but neither is she a child , I find it hard to believe that she didn't know what she was doing was deception , I see no culpability being placed on the 15 year old female , why is this ? Some seem to be disappointed that a man who has done nothing wrong hasn't swung from the gallows for taking part in unwittingly meeting a 15 /19 year old for coffee , what next , will anyone going on a date need proof of identity before the relationship can move on past the first meeting

Put away the pitch forks and noose and let's take a more serious look at how easy young men can have there life totally destroyed by deceit and dishonesty for doing nothing wrong , sure he's a fool but it's a huge step from being a fool to being falsely accused of being a paedophile

tupenny

Regardless of the tinder thing, he seems to be a messed up creep.
Delighted rte aren't giving him a platform to advertise his book

Butters1979

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What's wrong with a 28 year old dating a 19 year old which is what he thought she was?

Legally nothing. But the old half your age plus 7 rule.

diomed

"serious gambling debts" = bad at gambling
Why do these losers get all the publicity? Because people like to hear about losing gamblers. Winners upset them.
Is there a book?

Little CuChulainn

tupenny wrote: »

Regardless of the tinder thing, he seems to be a messed up creep.

In what way?

diomed

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

In what way?

He plays GAA, he is from Tyrone, he is a bad gambler.
i might have missed a few.

Fr_Dougal

diomed wrote: »

He plays GAA, he is from Tyrone, he is a bad gambler.
i might have missed a few.

Likes to attack innocent staff in bars.

Your Face

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The most disturbing part of this is that a GAA man, a class of people that was formerly the personification of no bullshít down-to-earthedness.

That's a bit silly.

The_Valeyard

I would be delighted at my age if I could score a 19year old. My other half would probably be less impressed though.

Eamondomc

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I would be delighted at my age if I could score a 19year old. My other half would probably be less impressed though.

Hmm, how you feel if she turned out to be 15?

Tasden

Eamondomc wrote: »

Hmm, how you feel if she turned out to be 15?

I'd imagine like anybody they would be annoyed that the girl actively lied about her age and deceived them in that way.

thebaz

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I would be delighted at my age if I could score a 19year old. My other half would probably be less impressed though.

In a week where Ireland celebrated the life of a true sporting legend , and decent human being , I do not want to see the National broadcaster celebrating the life of a supposed reformed man, selling a book on such , who threatens and abuses bar staff , and dates a 15 year old.

eviltwin

I find it hard to believe a 15 yr old would pass for 19 in person. Whatever about an online profile but face to face is a different thing altogether. I think having him on would be inappropriate. I'm sure anyone who has any interest in reading about his life can and will get the book anyway.

Fleawuss

There is obviously a deeply troubled child in this situation and obviously a deeply troubled adult. RTÉ have acted correctly in not exploiting two vulnerable people for the sake of ratings.

jimmynokia

eviltwin wrote: »

I find it hard to believe a 15 yr old would pass for 19 in person. Whatever about an online profile but face to face is a different thing altogether. I think having him on would be inappropriate. I'm sure anyone who has any interest in reading about his life can and will get the book anyway.

You obviously dont get out enough then.. In my estate there is 14/15 yr olds going out with 20/21 yr olds (Girls) on nights out and easily pass. Given some peoples intellect are different then others you might spot it in conversation which then means must we interview and have a passport on us before we date people??? She lied full stop..

Eamondomc

Tasden wrote: »

I'd imagine like anybody they would be annoyed that the girl actively lied about her age and deceived them in that way.

I have sympathy for his situation, but if he is using this and other mistakes in his life to make money then I don't think his motives for his book and subsequent interviews are really to point out how to avoid such mistakes, but to profit from them.
If this was an informational not for profit exercise, then I would have no problem with his expose.

padd b1975

diomed wrote: »

He plays GAA, he is from Tyrone, he is a bad gambler.
i might have missed a few.

Sold his arse to cover the 3.30 at Kempton Park.

jimmynokia

Eamondomc wrote: »

My old man was 16 years older than my mother!

When I was 19 I was seeing a 26 yr old,it was deadly.. Thats all..

jimmynokia

Fleawuss wrote: »

There is obviously a deeply troubled child in this situation and obviously a deeply troubled adult. RTÉ have acted correctly in not exploiting two vulnerable people for the sake of ratings.

Or is it that tubridy would make a balls of the interview???

eviltwin

jimmynokia wrote: »

You obviously dont get out enough then.. In my estate there is 14/15 yr olds going out with 20/21 yr olds (Girls) on nights out and easily pass. Given some peoples intellect are different then other you might spot it in conversation which then means must we interview and had a passport on us before we date people??? She lied full stop..

Over an hour with a child you will know they are a child. He spent 90 mins in her company. Either he's a complete thick or just didn't care. Either way she's still a child liar or not.

jive

eviltwin wrote: »

Over an hour with a child you will know they are a child. He spent 90 mins in her company. Either he's a complete thick or just didn't care. Either way she's still a child liar or not.

Plenty of 15 year olds could pass as 19 both physically and mentally. He's done nothing wrong and if Mccarron was 15 the father would hate him just as much. Misguided anger from the father and the man should be allowed to promote his book because he's done nothing wrong (knowingly, at least).

jimmynokia

eviltwin wrote: »

Over an hour with a child you will know they are a child. He spent 90 mins in her company. Either he's a complete thick or just didn't care. Either way she's still a child liar or not.

You wouldn't need an hour to be honest plus the fact some kids are very advanced for their age and can play the game. Some purposely some not..Like in case you have missed it how many people around these days are pushing prams at 15/16/17 with their own kids in them..Underage sex is nothing new these days not that they did do anything but its what does go on..

eviltwin

jimmynokia wrote: »

You wouldn't need an hour to be honest plus the fact some kids are very advanced for their age and can play the game. Some purposely some not..Like in case you have missed it how many people around these days are pushing prams at 15/16/17 with their own kids in them..Underage sex is nothing new these days not that they did do anything but its what does go on..

Do you not think putting him on the flagship Friday night show would not cause him more harm than good? Underage sex is a crime, doesn't matter how many underage girls are having babies it's still child abuse. Why are you trying to minimise it?