What's going on at Quinn's Cross Roundabout?

Tim76

Hi all,

Anybody know what is going on with the redevelopment works at Quinn's Cross Roundabout? (between Russell's bar & Mungret)

I drove through it the other day and it seems that they are making a roundabout that was barely able to facilitate existing traffic flows even worse! For example only 1 lane leading on to the roundabout from the Father Russell Road side & making the roundabout itself even smaller

Not only it it already causing massive tailbacks in the area but it seems like a complete waste of public money.

Mc Love

Yeah its really puzzling isnt it?

Tim76

To say the least. I heard the argument that they were going to make it safer for cyclists but as the works have progressed it doesn’t look like they are putting in any cycle lanes. The narrower lane & road widths will actually make it more dangerous for cyclists & motorists to use the roundabout.

Berty

Hopefully they don't do what happening outside in Castletroy and Annacotty. They have cycles lanes nearly on the roundabout and each cycle lane comes with it's own yield sign nearly on the access to cross the roundabout. I've seen 2 crashes so far where a car stopped at the yield sign for a cyclist and got rear ended. It's very confusing because by right a car shouldn't have to yield leaving a roundabout but the full normal sized yield signs are there. Should be a little yield sign suitable for cyclists only.

The roundabouts are the ones outside the Casteltroy shopping centre but the crashes I saw where on the little roundabout between the Dublin road/Plassey Roundabout and Newtown.

dashoonage

they are preparing for the addition of another exit to the roundabout by making it smaller. At the same time they are also preparing for the increase of traffic brought about by two new schools being built in mungret by making the roads narrower. This should help to increase traffic flow dramatically. Then to increase traffic flow on the N69 they are adding a set of traffic lights at moores cross they conducted a study here and found that traffic was moving a little too freely there and people were actually making progress.

Those roundabouts you are on about berty are "French or maybe it was Danish" style roundabouts where cyclists have the right of way...we sent a bunch of lads on a jolly to study them for a while.

dashoonage

Also the crowd doing it much be on day rate lads...id be surprised if they are out of there next summer.

Strettie11

2 schools are being built at mungret, all footpaths to the site are being widened to incorporate both pedestrain and a cycle lane

Mc Love

Where are they going to the put the extra exit on that roundabout??

testicles

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Tim76

dashoonage wrote: »

they are also preparing for the increase of traffic brought about by two new schools being built in mungret by making the roads narrower. This should help to increase traffic flow dramatically. Then to increase traffic flow on the N69 they are adding a set of traffic lights at moores cross they conducted a study here and found that traffic was moving a little too freely there and people were actually making progress.

Sounds about right!

Tim76

Strettie11 wrote: »

2 schools are being built at mungret, all footpaths to the site are being widened to incorporate both pedestrain and a cycle lane

Don't forget the incinerator.

dashoonage

Mc Love wrote: »

Where are they going to the put the extra exit on that roundabout??

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Thats just stupid.

McLove...its a moving road..it will change its entry point to the roundabout daily.

Seriously though...i wonder are they going to make the road out to mungret a one way ? like...i assume kids will get to these schools by bus...no way 2 buses are passing each other on it.

Tim76

dashoonage wrote: »

i wonder are they going to make the road out to mungret a one way ? like...i assume kids will get to these schools by bus...no way 2 buses are passing each other on it.

It needs to be a minimum of 6.5m kerb to kerb to accommodate 2-way traffic according to the NRA, anything less than that and you're looking at a 1-way system

dashoonage

Tim76 wrote: »

It needs to be a minimum of 6.5m kerb to kerb to accommodate 2-way traffic according to the NRA, anything less than that and you're looking at a 1-way system

I'll throw an auld tape on it later :P

dashoonage

https://www.limerick.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/part_8_mungret_environs_roadworks.pdf

reading and pictures and stuff....

dashoonage

Here is one...dotted yellow lines shows the extra exit onto quinns cross

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/146153/Warning-of-traffic--mayhem-.html

needs a monorail in my opinion

Mc Love

So they arent put an extra exit on quinns r/a!

Special Circumstances

dashoonage wrote: »

Seriously though...i wonder are they going to make the road out to mungret a one way ? like...i assume kids will get to these schools by bus...no way 2 buses are passing each other on it.

Having been on that road recently and met a bus near the rounabout, no I can't see two buses meeting there.

Tim76 wrote: »

It needs to be a minimum of 6.5m kerb to kerb to accommodate 2-way traffic according to the NRA, anything less than that and you're looking at a 1-way system

If it's 6.5 it's only scraping it. And they did away with all the ghost islands / turning lanes whatever you want to call them.

Mighty footpaths though.

Mc Love wrote: »

So they arent put an extra exit on quinns r/a!

A magic road is going to come from the roundabout between the co-op, patrickswell and the M20 (if you get me?). From that roundabout, via the back of the southcourt/ the grange/ the existing school onto quins cross roundabout.

Somebody had pics of the plans in a different thread.

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Berty wrote: »

Hopefully they don't do what happening outside in Castletroy and Annacotty. They have cycles lanes nearly on the roundabout and each cycle lane comes with it's own yield sign nearly on the access to cross the roundabout. I've seen 2 crashes so far where a car stopped at the yield sign for a cyclist and got rear ended. It's very confusing because by right a car shouldn't have to yield leaving a roundabout but the full normal sized yield signs are there. Should be a little yield sign suitable for cyclists only.

The roundabouts are the ones outside the Casteltroy shopping centre but the crashes I saw where on the little roundabout between the Dublin road/Plassey Roundabout and Newtown.

Looks like somebody vomited red tarmac and humps and lumps and chunks onto a normal roundabout. Awful yokes.

But I think they may have even more ambitious plans for quins cross... I'm intrigued by the inner kerbed "orbit" around the island... is it another magical inner orbit for cyclists and pedestrians. Oh what fun we will have with another variation on the standard roundabout.

Special Circumstances

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/146153/Warning-of-traffic--mayhem-.html

Very bad picture of extra roads to be possibly maybe perhaps built at a later date in article

mgbgt1978

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the inner kerbed "orbit" around the island... is it another magical inner orbit for cyclists and pedestrians.

A Trillion Euros says that this will become an Actual Lane for Cars coming from Mungret and taking the Raheen Exit ,,,,

Tim76

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the inner kerbed "orbit" around the island... is it another magical inner orbit for cyclists and pedestrians.

But how do they get on to it? Or off it for that matter? Any cyclist unlucky enough to get caught in its gravitational field will be stuck on loop forever...

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Tim76 wrote: »

But how do they get on to it? Or off it for that matter? Any cyclist unlucky enough to get caught in its gravitational field will be stuck on loop forever...

Oh I haven't a clue what it's for. Miniature chariot races? I've never seen one before. A pessimistic part of me is picturing something bonkers like zebra crossings to and from the roundabout island!

sonyair

The area around the roundabout will be paved with brick like many new and up-date ones have. When the final layer of tar get laid it will meet level with the kerb allowing any large long vehicles to use the brick area, i.e the wheels of a trailer on a truck may en-roach on the brick instead of grass which may get stuck.
There will be a combination of shared surface and seperate lanes for both cyclists and pedestrians.

testicles

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Well the roundabout seems sensible enough now thanks to sonyair.

The width of the road to Mungret seems very odd if they ever want large vehicles to be able to meet there or turn onto the road from the junctions that meet it. A one way system for buses could work I suppose.

bazz26

It will look similar to this when finished:

dashoonage

They had temp traffic lights up at moores cross last night...i was queued back to the doc road roundabout. How they expect this not to cause delays when they put in permanent lights is beyond me.

Special Circumstances

I'm sure that a team of competent professionals will set it up so that it is always faster and easier to go that way rather than via mungret village and quinns cross....

Well... replace I'm sure with I hope.

dashoonage

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I'm sure that a team of competent professionals will set it up so that it is always faster and easier to go that way rather than via mungret village and quinns cross....

Well... replace I'm sure with I hope.

its going to be faster go via patrickswell soon!

dashoonage

Jaysus lads...they are still at this...

davo2001

It seems like work has ground to a halt, very little progress this last few weeks.

dashoonage

davo2001 wrote: »

It seems like work has ground to a halt, very little progress this last few weeks.

No there was seven lads and 2 diggers round a hole this morning...one had a rake...

davo2001

dashoonage wrote: »

No there was seven lads and 2 diggers round a hole this morning...one had a rake...

Yeah but doing fuc* all.

davo2001

What i don't get is why they haven't put in lowered curb stones for pedestrian crossings, they are at the same level as the rest of the path, would make it very difficult for a person in a wheelchair to get across.

sonyair

There will be crossing points at entry and exit onto the roundabout where all pedestrians and those with reduced mobility will stay level with the paths. There will also be crossing points further along the road. All of the crossings will be built as a ramp, groody roundabout is similar to what is happening here.

Stab*City

This whole area is a joke, firstly in Mungret Village coming off the N69 you have one of the smallest roundabouts very funny watching huge buses take a shortcut through there without stopping at a stop, they actually have to drive on the roundabout. I even wonder if they should be up there at all there is a 3 ton limit. How much does a bus coach weigh?

Then driving through the village you have the delight of 10 cars parked on the footpath outside the credit union and post office. Some dont even bother to pull off the road they just leave the cars sticking out into traffic. All this when there is a massive car park outside the church 5 meters across the road.

Then further down where the 'lovely' wall and benches are you have giant potholes at the foot of the brick speed bumps. Who thought up the idea to use bricks in the middle of the road ill never know. They are not there long and are already badly in need or repair.

Then the actual roadworks. Most of the time the guys are all standing around. I've seen guy driving massive diggers while using the phone. Guys doing the stop/go on phones and smoking fags. Typically there are 20 guys there. 18 doing nothing and 2 working. That's obviously not accurate but you get the jist. I cant believe they are allowed to actually leave the road open in the state its in. The road is destroying cars. Then they fail you on the nct due to bushings. This country is a big massive joke.

Time to start avoiding Mugret for good.

Tim76

dashoonage wrote: »

Jaysus lads...they are still at this...

The ancient Egyptians would have had a ****ing pyramid built on that roundabout at this stage!

dashoonage

i stopped going up there. go into the doc road now and up if im going to raheen.

I was passing in there one day and a lad was patching up one of the brick speed ramps with tar and chip....wtf like

dashoonage

Tim76 wrote: »

The ancient Egyptians would have had a ****ing pyramid built on that roundabout at this stage!

There labour laws werent as relaxed as ours:P

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

The traffic has turned into a complete joke coming from Casey's furniture side towards the end of father Russell road. Needs more than one lane.

Tim76

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

The traffic has turned into a complete joke coming from Casey's furniture side towards the end of father Russell road. Needs more than one lane.

Don't know what to the idea is reducing the lanes. It's backing up traffic all over the place

riverrocked

sonyair wrote: »

There will be crossing points at entry and exit onto the roundabout where all pedestrians and those with reduced mobility will stay level with the paths. There will also be crossing points further along the road. All of the crossings will be built as a ramp, groody roundabout is similar to what is happening here.

Ah no, those ramps on the roundabout are awful, much too high, there must be a more efficient way for people to cross the road.

Special Circumstances

Hahaha - "You know what would make traffic flow better in this city? ANOTHER Groody roundabout"
Ya couldn't make it up.

Shtill... tunnel traffic up, less compensation from public funds to honour the sweeeeet deal the operators did?

Mrmoe

The change in alignment from Fr Russell road onto the roundabout has greatly reduced the flow of traffic. In the past you would be at most 2-3 cars back from the roundabout at peak morning traffic time. Now I regularly see it backed up 3-4 cars into the Cragaun/Oakfield exit on the mini roundabout.

The road to Mungret is worse again. The narrow width combined with the slalom contour mean you will have increased likelihood of collision with on coming traffic or the kerb. A better solution would have been to have footpath/cycle path at one side only, allowing a much wider road and reduced chances of collisions at that new estate entrance.

The work itself is biblically slow.At the start I thought they would be milking it if they didn't have the roundabout section completed by the start of September, at the current rate it will be lucky to be completed by early next year.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Particularly bad patch exiting the roundabout onto fr russell road... Its horrendus...its half rubble concrete and half tar. Just stick something temporary on it please. Its like a roundabout in Baghdad.

Mc Love

Mrmoe wrote: »

The change in alignment from Fr Russell road onto the roundabout has greatly reduced the flow of traffic. In the past you would be at most 2-3 cars back from the roundabout at peak morning traffic time. Now I regularly see it backed up 3-4 cars into the Cragaun/Oakfield exit on the mini roundabout.

The road to Mungret is worse again. The narrow width combined with the slalom contour mean you will have increased likelihood of collision with on coming traffic or the kerb. A better solution would have been to have footpath/cycle path at one side only, allowing a much wider road and reduced chances of collisions at that new estate entrance.

The work itself is biblically slow.At the start I thought they would be milking it if they didn't have the roundabout section completed by the start of September, at the current rate it will be lucky to be completed by early next year.

Roadworks in Ireland - Buttevant is a prime example of how slow they are.

davo2001

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

Particularly bad patch exiting the roundabout onto fr russell road... Its horrendus...its half rubble concrete and half tar. Just stick something temporary on it please. Its like a roundabout in Baghdad.

Got caught with that one myself last night. The road is left in ****e!

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Mrmoe wrote: »

The road to Mungret is worse again. The narrow width combined with the slalom contour mean you will have increased likelihood of collision with on coming traffic or the kerb. A better solution would have been to have footpath/cycle path at one side only, allowing a much wider road and reduced chances of collisions at that new estate entrance.

Yeah I really don't think the whole "roundabout to Sli na Manach" thing was well planned at all. Even a foot each side would make a big difference for cars meeting there at night, never mind throwing buses or HGVs into the mix.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

davo2001 wrote: »

Got caught with that one myself last night. The road is left in ****e!

Bagdhad!

MrJones2013

The company carrying out the works seem to be making it up as they go along from what I hear/see. I passed there a couple of times at the weekend and they had 3 lads there on Saturday holding up both sides of the main road at the same time between Quinns Cross Roundabout and Mungret itself, just before the turn in to Mungret College. On the way back they had a stop-go system in place so only one side was affected at a time.

I was in the park in the college on Sunday morning and there were two construction workers working on the entrance in to the college and had the entrance down to one lane which made it extremely dangerous as it was hard to see if there was any traffic around the corner with the construction vehicles obstructing the views, the two construction workers were working away and there was no stop-go system in place.

From talking to one of the residents from the estate in there also, there doesn't seem to be any information being given to them regarding road closures, etc. which must be a bit frustrating for the residents in the estates and the one off houses it is regularly affecting.