Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums

Car99

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

B.A._Baracus

For ****s sake... That's what I think.

uch

If pensioners didn't vote we'd have a 16% turnout for every vote

Winterlong

Happy hangover OP!

IvyTheTerrible

Oh yes, let's remove the vote from a big chunk of the population. That'll work.

D0NNELLY

There's only one reason to not give prisoners the vote.

Southern states in the us, blacks out number the whites. So to maintain the republican base, flood the streets with very cheap drugs, introduce a war on drugs, followed by a law where cons and ex cons lose the right to vote.

All within 10 years of blacks getting the vote.

Winterlong

D0NNELLY wrote: »

There's only one reason to not give prisoners the vote.

Southern states in the us, blacks out number the whites. So to maintain the republican base, flood the streets with very cheap drugs, introduce a war on drugs, followed by a law where cons and ex cons lose the right to vote.

All within 10 years of blacks getting the vote.

Pensioners, not prisoners!!
(wrong thread)

D0NNELLY

Winterlong wrote: »

Pensioners, not prisoners!!
(wrong thread)

Lolol. No posting before breakfast!!!!

SeantheMan

aphex™

So people who might have a different opinion to you should not be able to vote?
More self-entitled millennial crap.

Ben Gadot

Not every pensioner has opinions that one might see as from the dark ages. Believe it or not, some are actually enlightened.

Also, just because someone is elderly, that doesn't denote what they should and shouldn't have to live with. More and more people are living into their eighties and beyond, so if someone took early retirement at 50, they could have at least 30 good years to look forward to. That's a good chunk of life and opinion that's just as worthy as a young fella's.

So instead of looking to take people rights away, maybe you should positively contribute to the issues you think elderly people are blocking. You never know, you might win a few over.

D0NNELLY

Experience trumps theory. So if anything, raise the vote to over 30s

_Brian

So I presume people of After Hours understand that if we continue to remove the vote from endless sections of society that in the end we have a dictatorship!!

D0NNELLY

_Brian wrote: »

So I presume people of After Hours understand that if we continue to remove the vote from endless sections of society that in the end we have a dictatorship!!

Here's hoping.

conditioned games

Britain choosing to leave the EU was the correct decision. Switzerland and Norway have been better outside it. Too many large corporations have control of the bureaucratic system forcing overly stringent regulations on small businesses.

The EU has become a dictatorship forcing countries to take in refugees from across Africa and the middle east and forcing taxpayers to bail out large banks that mismanage their business. The young are often the most naive through lack of life experience. In this case the correct decision was made.

JRant

It would be an awful idea. Nearly as stupid as some arguing that only women should be allowed vote in a referendum to repeal the eight.

AvBBrother

No, they should not.

Charles Babbage

Nobody should be allowed vote until they can answer a simple MCQ. Not the issue directly but the data surrounding it, so in Brexit the MCQ would ask things like what percentage of EU immigrants receive benefits, or what is the net contribution to the EU.

Jellybaby1

Car99 wrote: »

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

1st. Learn the meaning of democracy
2nd. Get more young voters to actually give a damn vote.
3rd. Learn the meaning of democracy

5starpool

No one should be able to vote except me. That'd be a much better system.

Fleawuss

I eat clocks.

CFlat

Fleawuss wrote: »

I eat clocks.

Your sexual proclivities are no one elses business but your own....oh clocks, right.

Fleawuss

CFlat wrote: »

Your sexual proclivities are no one elses business but your own....oh clocks, right.

Gerraway outta that ya clock.

WoollyRedHat

I would like to go one step further, we should extend suffrage to primary school children. After all they are the generation who will have to experience the ramifications of any potential referendum for the longest period of time. Also does anyone think it's a bit ridiculous that you have a thing called th primaries over in America, yet this demographic is excluded from voting in them. If they're able to run in them... "Elementary my dear Watson".

The_Valeyard

Fleawuss wrote: »

I eat clocks.

Bet that tics off the clockmakers

old goat

In the brexit referendum i saw a lot of whining that pensioners votes helped secure the leave vote. In general, any pensioners i talk to are far more liberal than people think. I assume the whole stop pensioners voting thing is because they are seen as dinosaurs not in keeping with the views of a modern nation

Pulsating Star

Car99 wrote: »

What does everyone think?

Are pensioners allowed to answer? They might give more of them wrong answers like.

CFlat

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Bet that tics off the clockmakers

I'd say it's just a wind up.

MeatTwoVeg

No, they'll be dead soon and won't have to suffer the consequences of their decision.

suicide_circus

Yes, lets take all the collective life experience and wisdom pensioners have amassed over 65-100 years and ignore it when making important decisions.

gctest50

?

and the state they left the country in ?

ffs like

fergiesfolly

If anything, giving the vote to 18 year olds is demented.
Letting people who have paid little or no tax, ever, who have no life experience to speak of, and who are probably still controlled by their hormones have a say in the running of a country is mental.
Raise the voting age to 25.
Leave the pensioners alone.
They've paid their dues. They're entitled to their say.

The_Valeyard

CFlat wrote: »

I'd say it's just a wind up.

I'm trying to think of more clock puns, but it's too time consuming.

HellSquirrel

"I fought for the right to vote for my children and grandchildren. Then those ungrateful bastards disenfranchised me."

Fleawuss

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Bet that tics off the clockmakers

I usually spring it on them. It's alarming but then they find it riveting. I put a brace face on it of course.

uck51js9zml2yt

Yes. But only if they're not in jail.

Junkyard Tom

Might just be better to euthanize people who are too old, or impaired, to be in the labour force.

Fred Swanson

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jobbridge4life

fergiesfolly wrote: »

If anything, giving the vote to 18 year olds is demented.
Letting people who have paid little or no tax, ever, who have no life experience to speak of, and who are probably still controlled by their hormones have a say in the running of a country is mental.
Raise the voting age to 25.
Leave the pensioners alone.
They've paid their dues. They're entitled to their say.

What about the ones that haven't? It's an odd thing isn't it... according to some people the country is full of scroungers and dole hounds but suddenly you are 65 and everyones paid taxes all their lives...

Of course pensioners should be entitled to vote. You don't get to decide who votes and doesn't just because you don't like how a particular group tends to vote. The same goes for 18 year olds of course.

On the paid their dues thing though it should be noted that being realistic about it young people today are paying for pension entitlements for older people that they have almost no chance of enjoying themselves when they reach that age.

Riddle101

They're pensioners, not prisoners. Everyone has the right to vote no matter what age.

Holograph

Someone of 65 could still have another 20, maybe even 30 years of life, left. Not all pensioners have one foot in the grave!

gctest50

fergiesfolly wrote: »

.......................
They've paid their dues. ............

Past tense ....... i paid for chips last week, doesn't mean i can go down and tell everyone to put vinegar on their chips this week

JupiterKid

No, they should not. Everyone over the age of 40 should be euthanised.*


*excluding me, of course.:pac:


But seriously, what a ridiculous notion. Many pensioners voted in favour of the same sex marriage referendum, for instance. Not everyone over the age of 65 is a reactionary old dinosaur. And in any case, it's a bit disingenuous to disallow voters with views different to your own.

Tornaxx

OP, we wouldn't need to have this discussion if we had to all undergo Carousel, like in Logan's Run (as previously mentioned) but then we'd have to decide what age this should happen. What age are you?

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

No, they'll be dead soon and won't have to suffer the consequences of their decision.

You could be dead tomorrow. So could I. Just because they are more likely to die sooner doesn't mean they shouldn't get to vote.

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Nobody should be allowed vote until they can answer a simple MCQ. Not the issue directly but the data surrounding it, so in Brexit the MCQ would ask things like what percentage of EU immigrants receive benefits, or what is the net contribution to the EU.

So in the referendum about repealing the 8th, would one of the multiple choice questions be "When does life begin?", and the options would be 'Conception', '3 months', or 'Birth', your vote would only count if you pick the 'right' option?

Ben Gadot

old goat wrote: »

In the brexit referendum i saw a lot of whining that pensioners votes helped secure the leave vote. In general, any pensioners i talk to are far more liberal than people think. I assume the whole stop pensioners voting thing is because they are seen as dinosaurs not in keeping with the views of a modern nation

If all pensioners were "dinosaurs" then the last major referendum wouldn't have passed. That's a fact in my opinion.

Pensioners are an easy group to target when people want to have a moan about "modern" issues being blocked, but the reality is more complicated. Case in point, when I think about the most prevalent players in the abortion debate, few of them are aged 50 and above.

HellSquirrel

So in the referendum about repealing the 8th, would one of the multiple choice questions be "When does life begin?", and the options would be 'Conception', '3 months', or 'Birth', your vote would only count if you pick the 'right' option?

Ah no, there'd be two questions.

43. "When does life begin?" A. Conception, B. 3 months, C. Birth.
44. "When does life end?" A. Death, B. Retirement, C. Always ten years ahead of my current age, thank God.

Car99

Car99 wrote: »

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

Absolutely not. Perish the thought. Voting should be only for those aged between 35 and 50, for white landowning males only. End of. Imagine if women or the great unwashed had the right to vote, what?

Winterlong

Would it be easier just to put polling stations at the top of big hills - make it hard for pensioners to vote without actually banning them?

Pickpocket

gctest50 wrote: »

Past tense ....... i paid for chips last week, doesn't mean i can go down and tell everyone to put vinegar on their chips this week

If you've been eating chips for 65 years then I'm happy for you to recommend the condiment of your choice.

appfry

Car99 wrote: »

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

You mean the people you paid far higher taxes than you ever did. Worked longer hours than you ever did. Worked in much harder jobs than you ever did. Worked many, many more years than you have?

I just dont understand the entitled gits of today wanting to stamp on the people who made this country for them, kept it afloat and put them through school.

Im in my mid 40s now, and I for one would like to thank those people who are now pensioners for what they did for me.

How old are you OP. You wouldnt perhaps be a member of the entitled generation would you?

And save that post for when people are looking to euthanize you when you hit 50 or so.
You can show it to them to prove the point that the younger you are the more you THINK you know.
After hitting the ripe old age of 45 Ive now come to the conclusion that people older than me are much smarter, balanced and less selfish than me and I was never as smart, balanced or more selfish as I thought I was in my younger years.

HellSquirrel

Well, I wouldn't idolise them either. The past generations made their own mistakes and in some regards we've made corrections on those mistakes. This is how things work. No generation is the Greatest Generation, no matter what the few left might think. Our generation too will pass and will leave a legacy of some good things and some bad things that future generations will work on. Hopefully they will work on them without punishing us old folk.

But you can't remove rights from an entire segment of population because they're over 65 and then pretend you live in a democracy.