Maynooth Train Parking- None!

youngblood

Used to always get a spot here for the train arriving around 7.45/7.50am (Mon-Fri)

For the last few weeks all spaces and "Car Park Full" sign is up at 7.35am

Anyone have any idea why this is the case?

What has changed?

Are there any other options for parking to get train?

Cheers
YB

L1011

You have to pay to park in the town now, so commuters who were parking for free (and strangling the businesses in the town) are paying in the Irish Rail carpark instead as the all day spaces cost too much and there are limited spaces available on a monthly basis at Supervalu.

Why this wasn't noticed immediately after pay parking came in is that there is always a lag in August/September/October as holidays end and more people return to work/college/etc as they settle in to their commutes for the year. Public transport use rises by October and traffic falls marginally.

There is planning in for another 30 or so spaces on the other platform. Irish Waterways own a locked, ~50 space carpark over the canal which they could be talked in to opening if there was enough demand and there is a private carpark further up the road also.

Orion

Is that Waterways Ireland space actually designated as a car park? I thought it was a public amenity area for the canal.

L1011

Orion wrote: »

Is that Waterways Ireland space actually designated as a car park? I thought it was a public amenity area for the canal.

It has been used as one in the past (including by Irish Rail); what the specifics are I don't know.

fxotoole

youngblood wrote: »

What has changed?

KCC recently implemented paid parking in Maynooth. The space beside the SuperValu car park (which used to be free parking provided by the council) is now paid parking. Presumably people have started paying for parking outside the train station as it's cheaper than the spot beside SuperValu?

youngblood

Thanks a million, only driving to here and dont live there so couldnt figure it out.

Mystery solved, ridiculous isnt it? How did they not see the implications?

When do they propose the new spaces will be ready?

L1011

youngblood wrote: »

Mystery solved, ridiculous isnt it? How did they not see the implications?

They did. Freeing up trade in the town centre by allowing people to go about their daily business is more important to the council than all-day parking for the station. Which is Irish Rail's job to provide. There were effectively no spaces available at any time of day due to all-day parkers.

Irish Rail are responsible for the extra spaces so I'd suggest tweeting them - they've made nothing public.

brian_t

I read in the Champion that lads working on building sites park there.

A few arrive in their own cars, park and then all pile into one car and go off.

L1011

As long as they're paying there's not much Irish Rail can do about it; they do not make travel with them a condition of use.

ixus

Tesco started "clamping down" on all day parking. This probably the result. All day parking available beside Roost and at Supervalu.

thelad95

Left maynooth a couple of months ago, but I always recommended people just park in Tesco and walk down through the shortcut little lane beside Avenue that brings you out beside Bradys is this still a possibility or is that paid parking now as well? I always remember seeing cars parked in that carpark for days on end without moving especially over near the post office.

L1011

Council carpark at Supervalu does long term permits - http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/RoadsandTransportation/PayParking/PayParkingMaynooth/Long%20Term%20Permit%20Maynooth.doc

thelad95 wrote: »

Left maynooth a couple of months ago, but I always recommended people just park in Tesco and walk down through the shortcut little lane beside Avenue that brings you out beside Bradys is this still a possibility or is that paid parking now as well? I always remember seeing cars parked in that carpark for days on end without moving especially over near the post office.

That will now have you clamped within hours. For all the questionable status of private clamping; its not an argument you can practically have with the same company at the same site more than once.

youngblood

So can I apply for permit and park in the super valu?

L1011

youngblood wrote: »

So can I apply for permit and park in the super valu?

In the council carpark beside Supervalu - adjoining Parson Street but accessed via the Supervalu entrance. There are usually spaces available there all day so I wouldn't see spaces being a problem early in the morning; they won't sell more permits than space allows anyway.

youngblood

L1011 wrote: »

In the council carpark beside Supervalu - adjoining Parson Street but accessed via the Supervalu entrance. There are usually spaces available there all day so I wouldn't see spaces being a problem early in the morning; they won't sell more permits than space allows anyway.

Do you happen to know how long you can park on a day to day basis there??
Price?

I just realised its 60.50e per month for the permit!

Lastblackdog

youngblood wrote: »

Do you happen to know how long you can park on a day to day basis there??
Price?

I just realised its 60.50e per month for the permit!

Wow, that's great value. Just €3.00 per work day with free weekends thrown in as a bonus. Well spotted. Downside is that now that you have publicised the deal the demand will increase.

Rathkenny

youngblood wrote: »

Do you happen to know how long you can park on a day to day basis there??
Price?

I just realised its 60.50e per month for the permit!

You can park there all day for €6.50 I think.

brian_t

youngblood wrote: »

Do you happen to know how long you can park on a day to day basis there??
Price?

I just realised its 60.50e per month for the permit!

According to Maynooth Pay Parking Bye Laws 2013

It's €1 for 1 hour

€2 for 2 hours

€3 for 4 hours

€5 for all day parking

€50 for monthly parking ticket

Off street parking fees are subject to VAT

BaronVon

Leixlip Louisa train station has an ample car park, I think it's €10 for the week, with the added benefit of a cheaper train ticket!

L1011

Probably an easier drive in from the motorway also if coming from the west. Problem is if you are getting a Sligo train, as it doesn't stop at Leixlip.

The Mulk

infacteh wrote: »

Leixlip Louisa train station has an ample car park, I think it's €10 for the week, with the added benefit of a cheaper train ticket!

€3 a day or €8 for a full week

youngblood

Thought Louisa would have much less car parking space.
Im thinking this is what Im gonna now try and do

Thanks a million for all your helpful suggestions!

The Mulk

youngblood wrote: »

Thought Louisa would have much less car parking space.
Im thinking this is what Im gonna now try and do

Thanks a million for all your helpful suggestions!

There's a big carpark on the opposite side of the road, book your parking in advance on Park by Text for the €8 price

youngblood

Thanks Mulk will check it out now

Ardent

I live near Kilcock and park in Louisa Bridge. It's a lot less hassle than trying to get parking at Maynooth train station.

I did my homework a few weeks ago -
By 7:15 AM, Maynooth train station car park is 75% full. At 7:30 it's 95% full.

A few extra minutes on the motorway makes more sense for me.

Orion

If you have an annual ticket IR are currently doing a years parking for €220 as I recall. I deleted the email as I walk to the station.

ixus

Thats a good deal. About 200/220 weekdays in the year workwise.

Orion

Here it is https://www.taxsaver.ie/Taxsaver-Car-Parking-Offer-2016/

Rathkenny

Ardent wrote: »

I live near Kilcock and park in Louisa Bridge. It's a lot less hassle than trying to get parking at Maynooth train station.

I did my homework a few weeks ago -
By 7:15 AM, Maynooth train station car park is 75% full. At 7:30 it's 95% full.

A few extra minutes on the motorway makes more sense for me.

At what stage would Louisa Bridge be full do you know? Or are there many spaces left when you get the train?

Ardent

Rathkenny wrote: »

At what stage would Louisa Bridge be full do you know? Or are there many spaces left when you get the train?

I've never seen it full. I get the 8.02 train and there are loads of spaces at that time.

TonyStark

Ardent wrote: »

I've never seen it full. I get the 8.02 train and there are loads of spaces at that time.

Indeed thinking of changing up my routine. Cycled over the summer but since the light has faded I'm looking at alternatives. It's become such a rat race parking in Maynooth.

I've heard a lot of the cars that park at the station are from passengers who take the bus into town.

kidneyfan

TonyStark wrote: »

Indeed thinking of changing up my routine. Cycled over the summer but since the light has faded I'm looking at alternatives. It's become such a rat race parking in Maynooth.

I've heard a lot of the cars that park at the station are from passengers who take the bus into town.

Shouldn't be allowed.

TonyStark

kidneyfan wrote: »

TonyStark wrote: »

Indeed thinking of changing up my routine. Cycled over the summer but since the light has faded I'm looking at alternatives. It's become such a rat race parking in Maynooth.

I've heard a lot of the cars that park at the station are from passengers who take the bus into town.

Shouldn't be allowed.

What can you do really. Saw a few people parked up and waiting in their cars this morning parked up I would imagine since about 7am. There has to be more to life than that. I think Louisa Bridge will be where I will winter.

TonyStark

Some interesting motions at the Council Meeting tomorrow. O'Cearuil seems to be leading the charge.
http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/CorporateServices/CorporateServices/CouncilMeetings/MaynoothMunicipalDistrictMeeting/2016/Agendas/161020%20AG.pdf

TonyStark

Some interesting motions at the Council Meeting tomorrow. O'Cearuil seems to be leading the charge.
http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/CorporateServices/CorporateServices/CouncilMeetings/MaynoothMunicipalDistrictMeeting/2016/Agendas/161020%20AG.pdf

Orion

kidneyfan wrote: »

Shouldn't be allowed.

Why? It's a private car park. There no condition that you have to be taking a train - and even if there was how would you police it? Carparks at Connolly station are full of people who drive to work in the city and park for the day.

TonyStark

Orion wrote: »

kidneyfan wrote: »

Shouldn't be allowed.

Why? It's a private car park. There no condition that you have to be taking a train - and even if there was how would you police it? Carparks at Connolly station are full of people who drive to work in the city and park for the day.

It should be exclusively for train passengers. Plenty of public car parks in the vicinity for other commuters.
Easily policed by increasing the price to 6 euro a day with discounts given to Monthly and Annual Ticket Holders through park by text to encourage usage among passengers and dissuade people taking up spaces from these people.

Orion

TonyStark wrote: »

Some interesting motions at the Council Meeting tomorrow. O'Cearuil seems to be leading the charge.
http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/CorporateServices/CorporateServices/CouncilMeetings/MaynoothMunicipalDistrictMeeting/2016/Agendas/161020%20AG.pdf

Naoise couldn't lead a charge if it was a placid horse on reins. I see Durkan has one too about the same thing so I'd bet there's an announcement due that they're both about to take credit for.

I do like McGinley's one - not often I say that - for bollards to prevent parking on the path. It can be ridiculous up there. Teresa Murray's one about road markings isn't enough - they'll just be ignored with flashing hazards lights that allow you to do anything you want seemingly.

Did someone in this thread mention the potholes near lidl earlier - Teresa has one about those too. They are lethal if you're a cyclist.

Orion

TonyStark wrote: »

It should be exclusively for train passengers. Plenty of public car parks in the vicinity for other commuters.
Easily policed by increasing the price to 6 euro a day with discounts given to Monthly and Annual Ticket Holders through park by text to encourage usage among passengers and dissuade people taking up spaces from these people.

Like I said I walk to the train so it doesn't impact me but I just can't see that enforceable at all. What about people who pay daily, 10 journey or weekly? What about occasional commuters who work from home some days and only use it once or twice a week or less? They would be valid train users but not catchable by your suggestion re: monthly/annual ticket holders. I do not agree with the implication that non-5 time a week commuters should be charged extra.

Orion

TonyStark wrote: »

Some interesting motions at the Council Meeting tomorrow. O'Cearuil seems to be leading the charge.
http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/CorporateServices/CorporateServices/CouncilMeetings/MaynoothMunicipalDistrictMeeting/2016/Agendas/161020%20AG.pdf

btw did you see item 4?

To agree to meet a delegation representing Maynooth Community Church to make a
presentation on a possible building project in Maynooth?

From what I hear they are getting the old soccer pitch opposite Carton Court for their church.

TonyStark

Orion wrote: »

TonyStark wrote: »

Some interesting motions at the Council Meeting tomorrow. O'Cearuil seems to be leading the charge.
http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/CorporateServices/CorporateServices/CouncilMeetings/MaynoothMunicipalDistrictMeeting/2016/Agendas/161020%20AG.pdf

Naoise couldn't lead a charge if it was a placid horse on reins. I see Durkan has one too about the same thing so I'd bet there's an announcement due that they're both about to take credit for.

I do like McGinley's one - not often I say that - for bollards to prevent parking on the path. It can be ridiculous up there. Teresa Murray's one about road markings isn't enough - they'll just be ignored with flashing hazards lights that allow you to do anything you want seemingly.

Did someone in this thread mention the potholes near lidl earlier - Teresa has one about those too. They are lethal if you're a cyclist.

Perhaps, The waterways Ireland land they had earmarked for a car park I would imagine. Not a solution to the underlying issue.

TonyStark

Orion wrote: »

TonyStark wrote: »

It should be exclusively for train passengers. Plenty of public car parks in the vicinity for other commuters.
Easily policed by increasing the price to 6 euro a day with discounts given to Monthly and Annual Ticket Holders through park by text to encourage usage among passengers and dissuade people taking up spaces from these people.

Like I said I walk to the train so it doesn't impact me but I just can't see that enforceable at all. What about people who pay daily, 10 journey or weekly? What about occasional commuters who work from home some days and only use it once or twice a week or less? They would be valid train users but not catchable by your suggestion re: monthly/annual ticket holders. I do not agree with the implication that non-5 time a week commuters should be charged extra.

The public car parks represent a cheaper and more affordable option for them. Annual and Monthly should take precedence over occasional commuters as they represent a cohort that actually depend on the train to get to work. The issue here is not occasional commuters but commuters using the cheaper car park at the train station and not using the train.

L1011

Orion wrote: »

btw did you see item 4?

From what I hear they are getting the old soccer pitch opposite Carton Court for their church.

Land adjacent to the pitch, rather than the pitch; and with community facilities available was what I heard.

I would be interested to see how amenable they'd be to, say, letting a potential local branch of BeLonGTo rent a room for a meeting if there are community facilities. Something the council has to consider VERY carefully. Community facilities need to be for the entire community, not those that meet the whims of anyone inserted as a gatekeeper.

TonyStark wrote: »

The public car parks represent a cheaper and more affordable option for them. Annual and Monthly should take precedence over occasional commuters as they represent a cohort that actually depend on the train to get to work. The issue here is not occasional commuters but commuters using the cheaper car park at the train station and not using the train.

I take the train 4-5 days a week on average. I don't use monthly or annual tickets as my place of work changes and there is no cost saving at all in buying a ticket for the largest possible trip since Leap capping came in. While I walk to the station, others in similar situations don't.

Orion

L1011 wrote: »

Land adjacent to the pitch, rather than the pitch; and with community facilities available was what I heard.

I've heard that this has changed. The church getting it exclusively. Was discussed at community council and the new committee investigating options for a community Hall.

ixus

The CoCo have a big old yard they use for storing sh!te in a prime bit of real estate between the Roost and the Fire Station. Have . Look on Google Earth. It is crazy that hasn't been relocated to the outskirts of the town or a few miles out.

Orion

ixus wrote: »

The CoCo have a big old yard they use for storing sh!te in a prime bit of real estate between the Roost and the Fire Station. Have . Look on Google Earth. It is crazy that hasn't been relocated to the outskirts of the town or a few miles out.

I can't see the council yard moving but the fire station beside it is. Up behind Lidl I believe.

L1011

Orion wrote: »

I've heard that this has changed. The church getting it exclusively. Was discussed at community council and the new committee investigating options for a community Hall.

Utterly inappropriate use of council land then, unless they pay market rate. Very probably unconstitutional too (if free) as its endowing a religion.

Orion

L1011 wrote: »

Utterly inappropriate use of council land then, unless they pay market rate. Very probably unconstitutional too as its endowing a religion.

I'm not saying I agree with it at all. I completely agree with you apart from the constitution argument. The state has always endowed religions - state funded religious run schools for example.

L1011

Orion wrote: »

The state has always endowed religions - state funded religious run schools for example.

Plenty of people feel that's unconstitutional too; but the costs (for the plaintiff - nobody would take it no foal no fee and the state would try demand bonds for costs) and fallout (for the state if they lost) of the court case would be unmanagable.

It is unacceptable in the modern day for a council to hand over land to a church - any church - without getting something significant in return. No community facilities, no land.

ixus

I went to the open consultation on the Traffic Management Plan back in June or whenever. They were working off only two solutions to traffic chaos as I could see it. Outer Ring Road and the old plan to run a road down canal and by fire station out and around to Parson St. A very old plan to open up the green space there.

I gave them a detailed alternate plan with drawings on how to make the whole area of the town actually work better and open up spaces. It's difficult to actually visualize by text but I'll try.

Open a new road through the harbour, beside the apartments. Then build a one way system that goes from the Roost to BOI, turn right one way system to Glenroyal, option to continue on Straffan road or turn right onto Harbour Road, right again onto Leinster St.

One way system coming from Parsons lodge into the town. Pedestrianise Old college entrance. College uses roundabout at Kilcock Road to enter South Campus.

With this, you remove a heap of junction time at the Roost and BOI junction. Pedestrian crossing could also regulate traffic flow. Reduces from 3 lanes to 2 on part of Main St and down to Glenroyal. Allows wide bike lanes that can also link down Leinster St and onto Greenway Cycle thats coming.

There are flaws, like people wanting to turn up Parsons St having to go to Straffan entrance but that is purpose built. The flow should be better so time shouldn't be a huge facto. Obviously, if Outer Ring Road built, that helps big time.

I went through every back street and rat run thats used and why. Explained that if 7/8 cars are coming out of south campus, thats the junction goosed there. If you're going to Dunboyne from Newtown/Rathcoffey Rd, you should go around by Laragh and through North campus at peak times or you would be 40+ minutes.

Lots more detail, hence, eager to see what they propose.

TonyStark

Went to Louisa Bridge this morning. Much more relaxed than Maynooth altogether aside from the usual traffic chaos caused by the Intel drones trying to make it to clock in time.

Might try the motorway tomorrow. So far so good. :-)