Champions Day Ascot 2016

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Long Distance Cup

Order of St George 1
Simple Verse 4
Forgotten Rules 6
Quest For More 8
Sheikhzayedroad 12
Nearly Caught 14
Litigant 16
Pallasator 16
Trip To Paris 25
Burmese 33
Sandro Botticelli 50
Suegioo 50
Gold Prince 100
Sir Chauvelin 100


Champion Sprint Stakes

Limato 9/4
Quiet Reflection 7/2
Shalaa 6
The Tin Man 7
Librisa Breeze 10
Twilight Son 8
Meccas Angel 7
Washington DC 14
Brando 16
Signs of Blessing 20
Donjuan Triumphant 33
Jimmy Two Times 50
Dont Touch 40
Mobsta 50
Mr Lupton 50
Jack Dexter 66
Growl 66


Champions Fillies and Mares Stakes

Seventh Heaven 5/2
Zhukova 3
Journey 7
Speedy Boarding 8
Found 8
Simple Verse 10
Queens Trust 12
Minding 7
Architecture 16
Bateel 20
Endless Time 16
Even Song 16
Furia Cruzada 20
Pretty Perfect 16
California 25
Bocca Baciata 25
Promising Run 33
Maleficent Queen 50


Queen Elizabeth II Stakes

Ribchester 2
Minding 11/4
Galileo Gold 7/2
Awtaad 8
Lightning Spear 10
Alice Springs 10
Jet Setting 8
Hit It A Bomb 25
Hathal 20
Stormy Antarctic 25
Cougar Mountain 40
Mitchum Swagger 50
Breton Rock 50
Adaay 66
Barchan 250


Champion Stakes

Almanzor 13/8
Found 7/2
Fascinating Rock 5
Minding 11/2
Jack Hobbs 14
Highland Reel 12
My Dream Boat 20
Midterm 20
Racing History 25
Hawkbill 20
Us Army Ranger 33
Elliptique 33
Success Days 40
Long Island Sound 40
One Foot In Heaven 40
The Grey Gatsby 50
Gabrial 66
Moonlight Magic 50
Maverick Wave 100


Some tasty prices there if ye can figure out who's definitely running and what the likely going will be. IIRC there are usually a few upsets to the form book at this meeting.

longshotvalue

First thing that stikes me is that Alice Springs beats Minding over 1 mile on good ground. Hard to know if they run in the same race.

jimjamcos

aidankkk wrote:

First thing that stikes me is that Alice Springs beats Minding over 1 mile on good ground. Hard to know if they run in the same race.

They wont run against each other but what makes you think that given Minding beat her comfortably the one time they raced over 1m on good?

I know AOB is saying that Alice Springs has found speed from somewhere but she hasn't faced anything like Minding in her last two wins and I'd be surprised if she ever finished ahead of her.

Alice Springs will be saved for Breeders Cup, while Minding will run in (and win) QEII imo. Her defeat last time came in the race of the year with only an unbeaten animal and the Arc winner ahead of her (possibly track bias with strong headwind too) and the mile is her best trip imo.

Gregk961

Would love to see Shalaa win the sprint, such a classy horse. Wouldn't be rushing out to back at 6's however. Be great to see Jack Hobbs run a good race in the champion aswell, Gosden is happy with both apparently.

Nothing strikes me as particularly appealing betting wise to be honest but it will be some day of racing.

longshotvalue

jimjamcos wrote: »

They wont run against each other but what makes you think that given Minding beat her comfortably the one time they raced over 1m on good?

I know AOB is saying that Alice Springs has found speed from somewhere but she hasn't faced anything like Minding in her last two wins and I'd be surprised if she ever finished ahead of her.

Alice Springs will be saved for Breeders Cup, while Minding will run in (and win) QEII imo. Her defeat last time came in the race of the year with only an unbeaten animal and the Arc winner ahead of her (possibly track bias with strong headwind too) and the mile is her best trip imo.

I realize they more than likely wont, but Ive been impressed with some on Alice Springs finishing lately i think she may be quicker over a mile.. Still some decent racing on to finish off the flat season. There is sure to be a surprise or two at this time of the year it just a matter of finding it now

Peintre Celebre

Alice Springs price is indicative of the odds of her running here. If she hadn't ran in the Sun Chariot I'd say she would but extremely unlikely now it's fairly clear

kfallon

Ground should be some way decent here for once so can see most of the main protagonists showing up!

Think Seventh Heaven is the best bet of the day, think she has progressed to be Ballydoyle's best middle distance 3yo filly

Nulty

Where has the money come from for the Tin Man?

madmoose

Can't see Minding or Seventh Heaven beaten, ill have a small play on the 11/1 double.

kfallon

madmoose wrote: »

Can't see Minding or Seventh Heaven beaten, ill have a small play on the 11/1 double.

Think I'll do the same and a single on Seventh Heaven too!

Peintre Celebre

Minding is quite opposable I reckon. Why she is under half the price of the 2000 Guineas winner I am not sure

longshotvalue

There is going to be a mad result somewhere in there, its just a matter of finding it.

Peintre Celebre

aidankkk wrote: »

There is going to be a mad result somewhere in there, its just a matter of finding it.

Could easily see My Dream Boat running well after he ran a nice race in the Irish Champion especially if the ground were to go on the soft side

madmoose

aidankkk wrote: »

There is going to be a mad result somewhere in there, its just a matter of finding it.

Probably in the stayers, shame Litigant isn't 25/1 or so.

longshotvalue

madmoose wrote: »

Probably in the stayers, shame Litigant isn't 25/1 or so.

Thought the same myself . I'll fe interested in the w/0 osg in this race.

I think grey gatsby might place in the champion .

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Minding is quite opposable I reckon. Why she is under half the price of the 2000 Guineas winner I am not sure

Because he doesn't have the kind of class that could have finished 3rd after not having the best of runs in a monster Irish Champion Stakes type field at any distance.

Doesn't mean that he won't beat her, but an on song Minding should be able to kick his ass.

Peintre Celebre

tryfix wrote: »

Because he doesn't have the kind of class that could have finished 3rd after not having the best of runs in a monster Irish Champion Stakes type field at any distance.

Doesn't mean that he won't beat her, but an on song Minding should be able to kick his ass.

No but Minding was last seen over a mile being beaten by the smart but not outstanding Jet Setting. I think she may be opposable at the trip

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

No but Minding was last seen over a mile being beaten by the smart but not outstanding Jet Setting. I think she may be opposable at the trip

Yeah, there's that for sure that she's opposable and Galileo Gold's trainer is a master of some strange art. She's a terrible price, I would fancy Ribchester more than anything else in the field.

Mr Smuggles

With Limato not in the sprint it could be argued Librisa Breeze and Washington DC are good prices. The former last to first at Ascot lto looked every inch a candidate for a reduced trip and Washington DC finished the Prix De L 'Abbaye very strongly.

GM Hopkins for the big handicap. He fluffed the Cambridgeshire but I think from around 110 he is dangerous. Could be the strongest handicap field we've seen in ages.

madmoose

Wash DC not running

Mr Smuggles

Right, mentioned him given the market posted earlier not realising he's been pulled. Without Limato the prices will be different anyhow. Need to have a closer look at markets later.

Nulty

I've gone with The Tin man and Brando in the sprint.

Forgotten Rules must ran well last time and got tired. Think he's worth a bet at 9s

I'm attracted to Zhui Feng in the Balmoral but haven't pulled the trigger.

Did the same with Tiger Roll last week and regretted the hesitation

Mr Smuggles

Forgotten Rules is a really strange one. He won this a couple of years ago and when he got it all right looked really special.

I think he would have wanted Ascots usual softer to heavy Champions Day ground.

Ben Gadot

aidankkk wrote: »

There is going to be a mad result somewhere in there, its just a matter of finding it.

My loop the loop picks are Right Touch and Hit It A Bomb.

Some of these have had a long hard season, I wouldn't be surprised if one or two fresher horses cause an upset.

Fancy Weld's two also Fascinating Rock and Zhukova.

Copper_pipe

My Wildcard picks for the Day

Hit it a Bomb and Instant Attraction

longshotvalue

Also on hit it a bomb.

Also added don't touch ew 66-1. 4 places and grey gatsby 50/1 ew w/o fav..

HarshOstrich

Copper_pipe wrote: »

My Wildcard picks for the Day

Hit it a Bomb and Instant Attraction

Instant attraction is a non runner

Copper_pipe

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Instant attraction is a non runner

Backed it last night and didnt check before I posted.

risteard7

It drives me mad the big races not going to post/starting on time!! They deliberately delay it by 5/10 mins every time

tryfix

Speaking of wild card bets, I had been thinking of having a silly EW punt on US Army Ranger merely because the O'Brien second string after gets placed in the big races. Now that he's been punted into 14/1 I wouldn't touch him a bargepole. He does have an interesting history in England but this is very high class race in which to be trying to redeem your reputation.

tryfix

Should have left Frankie on OOSG, he knows how to ride him..

Pinesky

Did Ryan Moore not learn anything from the Irish Leger ?

Richard Hillman

I am not an armchair jockey but I am very disappointed in Ryan Moore there. He gave him too much to do in what was a very steady pace throughout the race.

UrbanFret

Howler from Moore ,no other way to describe it. No doubt he'll blame the lack of pace for the defeat. Seems to **** up more often at ascot than anywhere else. Unlike a certain Italian!

longshotvalue

Lads yer wrong there, the horse was no where near his best. Wouldn't matter who rode him there.

UrbanFret

aidankkk wrote: »

Lads yer wrong there, the horse was no where near his best. Wouldn't matter who rode him there.

Not Having that he covered the last 2 furlongs quicker than anything else. poor position in a slowly run race=jockey error.:(

Hoping the skinny fella can make up for it here.

Copper_pipe

1st 8 The Tin Man 13/2
2nd 3 Growl 50/1
3rd 1 Brando 14/1

tryfix

aidankkk wrote: »

Lads yer wrong there, the horse was no where near his best. Wouldn't matter who rode him there.

As the post below your's said he finished quicker than anything else, at this stage of his career he can maintain a relentless gallop that's too hard for the slower staying type horses to pass. Ryan repeated the Irish Leger hold up tactics when it had been shown in the Arc how good the horse is when he's close up and forcing a pace where none but the best can outstay him.

He also damaged the horse's likely stud fee again..

2Mad2BeMad

Lumped on seventh heaven in the next,
Should win comfortable if not well then I'm done for the day xD HAHA

Shemale

Tried Zhukovo, good form and first time cheek pieces

hudhastings

Ryan moore should retire

krustydoyle

Moore.. What were you at there..

Jaysus.. Brutal ride

Pinesky

Sweet & Divine Creator .
Just how good was Joseph ?

UrbanFret

The master shows again how its done at ascot.

NaiveMelodies

Yes Moore wasn't magical on OOSG but there was nothing wrong with the ride on 7th Heaven. A clear case of the horse not being good enough on the day.

Ben Gadot

Minding if for no other reason than AOB bombing so far at Ascot and Cork. Due a winner. :pac:

hudhastings

Gary Carrol in Mallow should have been in Ascot he just won easily on Brenden brackon over 1m

Nulty

QEII is a watching race for me. Hoping for the top two to battle it out

Johner

Think Ribchester will win it.

Awtaad for me 12-1

Lt Dan

As per Channel 4, a number of staff for connections in a number of races (I won't mention names, even though they were broadcasted) were found in possession with legal substances but with no permission to have them AND with some illegal substances. Anyone catch that? It was announced that certain horses shall be tested

Frankly, would not back anything today -saying that Midterm Each Way in the Champions Stakes