Carbon frame OR Ultegra Groupset

spudbike

Upgrading the bike in the next month or so Would love to go with Carbon frame AND Ultegra Groupset BUT no simple economicsteps means the Budget just won't stretch to having both. Budget is 1800. Was I better go with the higher spec frame and a lower spec groupset or vice versa?

Then there's upgrading the wheels.........

Decesions, decesions...

godtabh

You should be able to get carbon and ultegra for that price. Where have you been looking?

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-ribble-r872-special-edition-shimano-ultegra-6800/#pid=32816

Great bike. I've had it in 105 and Ultegra spec

If you are going ALU and Ultegra.

It's hard to beat a CAAD12
https://www.evanscycles.com/en-ie/cannondale-caad12-ultegra-3-2016-road-bike-EV239393

godtabh

PS. Always go for the best frame you can afford. Parts can easily be upgraded after.

spudbike

Going to use BTW scheme to part fund (thats probably going to kick off a whole other discussion) but don't think I can buy from Online or the UK on that scheme withat my employer. However that Ribble bike looks good and with sterling the way it is its an option.

Have looked at and read good reviews of CAAD12. Currently have Aluminium frame but I believe the new aluminium in the CAAD12 is much lighter

spudbike

godtabh wrote: »

PS. Always go for the best frame you can afford. Parts can easily be upgraded after.

Hadn't thought of it that way. It's good advice

shootermacg

Is there really that much difference between ultegra and 105 these days anyway?

com1

Planet-x Ireland are selling the pro carbon ultegra 6800 for a shade under €1600 at the moment.

68 lost souls

Canyon can be got on BTW I believe as they registered for Irish VAT etc just fo rthat purpose https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0-sl.html

Cee-Jay-Cee

shootermacg wrote: »

Is there really that much difference between ultegra and 105 these days anyway?

No, less than 300g weight and very very little else in terms of ease of use or slickness.

Like said above go for the best frame you. An get within your budget. Even new 4700 Tiagra is a good groupset these days and for the everyday regular user, it would be more than suitable.

fat bloke

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No, less than 300g weight and very very little else in terms of ease of use or slickness.

Is our really as much as that? That's a lot!

shootermacg

fat bloke wrote: »

Is our really as much as that? That's a lot!

Says the fat bloke

Brian?

spudbike wrote: »

Upgrading the bike in the next month or so Would love to go with Carbon frame AND Ultegra Groupset BUT no simple economicsteps means the Budget just won't stretch to having both. Budget is 1800. Was I better go with the higher spec frame and a lower spec groupset or vice versa?

Then there's upgrading the wheels.........

Decesions, decesions...

Both. Get both:

http://planetxireland.com/products-page/sl-pro-carbon/new-planet-x-pro-carbon-shimano-ultegra-6800-road-bike/

Delboy007

68 lost souls wrote: »

Canyon can be got on BTW I believe as they registered for Irish VAT etc just fo rthat purpose https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0-sl.html

Is this true; so do u oder d bike and get invoice and give to employer and u get bike after payment. I just don't see that option on there Web site

iwillhtfu

Delboy007 wrote: »

Is this true; so do u oder d bike and get invoice and give to employer and u get bike after payment. I just don't see that option on there Web site

Yes they you can buy from them through the Irish cycle to work scheme however you can't use a middle man company. Payment is done through electronic transfer so best to check with your company if they can do this.

You order your bike and give the invoice to your accounts dept. As soon as the bike is ready and funds have cleared you're good to go.

magicbastarder

Brian? wrote: »

Both. Get both

carbon groupset and ultegra frame?

magicbastarder

68 lost souls wrote: »

Canyon can be got on BTW I believe as they registered for Irish VAT

can depend on the policies of the OP's employer. in this case he mentioned that he can't buy online.

68 lost souls

magicbastarder wrote: »

can depend on the policies of the OP's employer. in this case he mentioned that he can't buy online.

I suspected that could be an assumption on his behalf and is worth asking his employer

shootermacg

I don't like the look of the frame tbh, it looks like it'd flex a bit, too narrow where it counts.

If you aren't going through a payment middleman you can get a nice discount from the bricks&mortar shops at least 10% on the asking. That gives you almost 2K which will open up your options a bit more.

Its a shame you missed the Giant sales really, some nice bikes at nice prices.

Gallant_JJ

Bricks an mortar for me. Although there is undoubtedly great value online, you can't haggle. Shops will be keen to shift on 2016 models and may even be stuck with and odd 2015. Back a few years ago I bought a Felt F4 with full ultegra at €1650. It had retailed at €2700 the previous year. Lovely bike.

Delboy007

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Delboy007 wrote: »

Is this true; so do u oder d bike and get invoice and give to employer and u get bike after payment. I just don't see that option on there Web site

Yes they you can buy from them through the Irish cycle to work scheme however you can't use a middle man company. Payment is done through electronic transfer so best to check with your company if they can do this.

You order your bike and give the invoice to your accounts dept. As soon as the bike is ready and funds have cleared you're good to go.

Ah thanks you have just mad my year, i will check with my work, as i what a canyon but thought i could never get the 2,500 together for the bike i what, now maybe this could stop been a dream.

lissard

Giant store are selling off their 2016 models. TCR Advanced 1 is inside your budget, carbon and ultegra.

http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.1/25077/90674/

godtabh

Even cheaper now

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-r872-shimano-ultegra-6800-bike-of-the-week/#pid=35201

spudbike

Right then - it looks like defo go for the Carbon Frame and then shop round/haggle for Ultegra. Good to know that it is doable on the Budget though.

shootermacg

lissard wrote: »

Giant store are selling off their 2016 models. TCR Advanced 1 is inside your budget, carbon and ultegra.

http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.1/25077/90674/

That's an great bloody bike right there! But it really depends on what you want to do with it 11 - 28 mightn't suit if you're into hill climbing.

shootermacg

If its hills you're after:

http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/defy.advanced.1/25073/90684/


Actually it looks like they put the short cage derailler on that, so maybe not so good for hills.

kingoffifa

Both for a grand? (Second hand but still )

https://www.donedeal.ie/bicycles-for-sale/boardman-slr-9-8-frame-groupset/13564743

Then 800 to but some lovely wheels. .!!

Cee-Jay-Cee

fat bloke wrote: »

Is our really as much as that? That's a lot!

I had both groupsets bought and weighed both. I think it was 280g difference to be specific.

terrydel

shootermacg wrote: »

That's an great bloody bike right there! But it really depends on what you want to do with it 11 - 28 mightn't suit if you're into hill climbing.

Why is 11/28 not suitable for hill climbing? Ive 12/28 and its fine.
Gear ratios fecking baffle me!

sin_26

spudbike wrote: »

Going to use BTW scheme to part fund (thats probably going to kick off a whole other discussion) but don't think I can buy from Online or the UK on that scheme withat my employer. However that Ribble bike looks good and with sterling the way it is its an option.

Have looked at and read good reviews of CAAD12. Currently have Aluminium frame but I believe the new aluminium in the CAAD12 is much lighter

You would be surprised how smooth alu can be especially if you compare high end alu from respectable brand against low end carbon frameset. In this particular model i would easily take caad12 frameset against any carbon frameset priced in less than 2k.
Another one owned by me is Canyon AL SLX frameset.

Aluminium frames makes long step during last few years.

Cee-Jay-Cee

terrydel wrote: »

Why is 11/28 not suitable for hill climbing? Ive 12/28 and its fine.
Gear ratios fecking baffle me!

11/28 with compact front chainset (50/34) is more than suitable for 99% of hills/climbs in Ireland.

sin_26

godtabh wrote: »

PS. Always go for the best frame you can afford. Parts can easily be upgraded after.

True words.
Given your budget this:
http://www.startfitness.co.uk/cannondale-2016-super-6-evo-tiagra-mens-road-bike-black-bycdm6evostbbq.html

And currently is on Adverts Ultegra groupset for 350e will give you brand new frameset with lifetime warranty and ultegra groupset for about twelve hundred and you will sell Tiagra which should give you 1k for full bike.
Its really good price no questions.

terrydel

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

11/28 with compact front chainset (50/34) is more than suitable for 99% of hills/climbs in Ireland.

That's what I'd have thought.
11 is just the teeth on the smallest cog, up to 28 on the biggest yes?
So I've 12 on my smallest cog currently, that'd be a little better than 11 (more teeth for the slower speeds?) ?

shootermacg

terrydel wrote: »

Why is 11/28 not suitable for hill climbing? Ive 12/28 and its fine.
Gear ratios fecking baffle me!

Find a bigger hill! Nah 28 will be fine for a lot of hills, but 32 gives you the ability to not rely on your muscles and instead use your cardio to spin up that hill. Steep hills are always a tradeoff between your cardio and your lactic build up. You can always catch a breath if required, but lactic build-up is game over.
I've used the 32 on the way up to Johnny Foxes, but I guess it depends on the cyclist.

terrydel

shootermacg wrote: »

Find a bigger hill! Nah 28 will be fine for a lot of hills, but 32 gives you the ability to not rely on your muscles and instead use your cardio to spin up that hill. Steep hills are always a tradeoff between your cardio and your lactic build up. You can always catch a breath if required, but lactic build-up is game over.
I've used the 32 on the way up to Johnny Foxes, but I guess it depends on the cyclist.

Interesting.
I'm pretty light (<68kg right now, gave up sugar this week and lost nearly 2kg already!) and as stated I've a 12/28 with a compact 50/34 crank.
I'm much more a spinner than a power climber, and happy to stay that way. I'd much rather work my cardio in the future, so should I be looking at a compact with a 32 on the back next time?

shootermacg

terrydel wrote: »

That's what I'd have thought.
11 is just the teeth on the smallest cog, up to 28 on the biggest yes?
So I've 12 on my smallest cog currently, that'd be a little better than 11 (more teeth for the slower speeds?) ?

Yeah, 11 is going to allow for more speed than 12, while being harder to push. 32 is the other extreme, very easy tp push on a really steep hill (depending on your fitness). I'm sure some guys on here could easily climb anything on a 28, but me myself I have to allow for lactic build up and cardio, my age meaning I have less of both ^ ^.

terrydel

shootermacg wrote: »

Yeah, 11 is going to allow for more speed than 12, while being harder to push. 32 is the other extreme, very easy tp push on a really steep hill (depending on your fitness). I'm sure some guys on here could easily climb anything on a 28, but me myself I have to allow for lactic build up and cardio, my age meaning I have less of both ^ ^.

Thanks for the advice!
I've not failed to get up any hill yet on a 28, so will bear this in mind when I get round to upgrading! I don't suffer much with lactic that I can tell, I never really cramp up at all. I've plenty of other problems mind you

harringtonp

68 lost souls wrote: »

Canyon can be got on BTW I believe as they registered for Irish VAT etc just fo rthat purpose https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0-sl.html

Guy in my work got a canyon on bike scheme. Bit of hassle getting canyon to invoice vat separately but he managed it

iwillhtfu

harringtonp wrote: »

Guy in my work got a canyon on bike scheme. Bit of hassle getting canyon to invoice vat separately but he managed it

Why would they invoice the VAT separately it's all clearly detailed on the invoice. I had zero issues when ordering from them.

harringtonp

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Why would they invoice the VAT separately it's all clearly detailed on the invoice. I had zero issues when ordering from them.

Sorry, I'm vague on exact dealings. But I do know that what he needed was outside the standard online process and he was been jumped around between the UK and German offices before getting it sorted.

I can get exact details tomorrow if anybody is interested

harringtonp

shootermacg wrote: »

That's an great bloody bike right there! But it really depends on what you want to do with it 11 - 28 mightn't suit if you're into hill climbing.

34-28 is as suitable for climbing as you will commonly get on a double ring road bike. Most guys racing have a lowest gear of 39-25 or sometimes even 39-23

iwillhtfu

harringtonp wrote: »

Sorry, I'm vague on exact dealings. But I do know that what he needed was outside the standard online process and he was been jumped around between the UK and German offices before getting it sorted.

I can get exact details tomorrow if anybody is interested

No need just seems an odd request of them.

I found their customer service very good.

crosstownk

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

11/28 with compact front chainset (50/34) is more than suitable for 99% of hills/climbs in Ireland.

Agreed. I've a problem with one of my legs that results in it being about 50% as powerful as the other and I can still climb most hills in a 34x28.

iwillhtfu

crosstownk wrote: »

Agreed. I've a problem with one of my legs that results in it being about 50% as powerful as the other and I can still climb most hills in a 34x28.

I would have agreed till I drove up tickincor/powers the pot climb today :eek::eek::eek::eek:

How Barry Meehan managed to Everest on that I'll never know. The ramps are ridiculous let alone the entire climb itself.

Serious Kudos to him.