NCT on Classics

John Dough

Does the year when the NCT applies currently 1980 move at all as heard it might be changed by the E.U. to pre 40 year old models.

deckie27

Doesn't move currently.

Used to be a rolling 30 years

pachanco

Did you see this discussion on it from before, when the rsa was accepting submissions on changes, not heard anything lately with regards to changes https://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2057307173?

hi5

The RSA's recommendations have been sitting on a shelf in the department of transport for over a year now, the usual government efficiency:rolleyes:.

John Dough

What does Shane Ross actually DO!!!

Thanks for the info Guyz, at most of the classic shows very few cars seem to have a NCT cert.

80sDiesel

John Dough wrote: »

What does Shane Ross actually DO!!!

Thanks for the info Guyz, at most of the classic shows very few cars seem to have a NCT cert.

Do they just take a chance when driving to the shows ?

savagethegoat

John Dough wrote: »

What does Shane Ross actually DO!!!

Thanks for the info Guyz, at most of the classic shows very few cars seem to have a NCT cert.

Indeed, although of course most will be exempt.

savagethegoat

80sDiesel wrote: »

Do they just take a chance when driving to the shows ?

they do but not much risk especially with ZV plates. Never heard of anyone getting a ticket on a classic

John Dough

Maybe but technically for post 1980s not covered by insurance if NCT not displayed

savagethegoat

John Dough wrote: »

Maybe but technically for post 1980s not covered by insurance if NCT not displayed

still covered third party if a policy is in force which is all the Law demands.

John Dough

savagethegoat wrote: »

still covered third party if a policy is in force which is all the Law demands.

Then why do most policies inc.mine state:



"You will need to have a valid NCT on your vehicle for on-road cover to be applicable"

??

80sDiesel

I ask because my 84 has no nct. I always fear running into a garda when taking it for a spin to keep the battery charged.

unkel

From looking at 80s cars for sale on donedeal over the last few years, I'd say only a small minority has an NCT

Most cars haven't had an NCT in years, or indeed never had one

People just don't seem to bother. That's shameful imho. But understandable too when the chance of getting caught and facing a severe punishment is very small...

80sDiesel

Don't think it's shameful. My 84 Toyota is in top form but the NCT showed that the rear shocks needed replacement. They are new shocks but since it is leaf Spring I figured their testing equipment couldn't test it properly.

selectamatic

Stereotyping of cars has a big impact on the amount of attention guards will pay to 80's classic cars.
For example mercs, defenders, jaguars, capris etc tend to slip under the radar
Where as ae86/5 Corollas, Sierras, e30 bmw's etc tend to be singled out for special attention

80sDiesel

selectamatic wrote:

Stereotyping of cars has a big impact on the amount of attention guards will pay to 80's classic cars. For example mercs, defenders, jaguars, capris etc tend to slip under the radar Where as ae86/5 Corollas, Sierras, e30 bmw's etc tend to be singled out for special attention

But at a checkpoint surely every car is treated equally.

selectamatic

80sDiesel wrote: »

But at a checkpoint surely every car is treated equally.

Not every car is as recognisable as post 1980 though especially if it has a zv reg stuck onto it.

macplaxton

80sDiesel wrote: »

but the NCT showed that the rear shocks needed replacement. They are new shocks but since it is leaf Spring I figured their testing equipment couldn't test it properly.

The NCT test cannot show that the rear shocks [plural] need replacement. It might be of the opinion of the tester, which is another matter.

All the actual test does is tests for side to side imbalance. If the difference is over a certain percentage, it fails. If the difference is under, then it passes. What that means in practice is the test will show up a one knackered damper, but not a more or less equally knackered pair (that might show if there are both leaking, but if they're both bone dry...)

I've had a car in the past commented on due to the figures by the tester, but they were more or less the same therefore a pass.

macplaxton

John Dough wrote: »

Does the year when the NCT applies currently 1980 move at all as heard it might be changed by the E.U. to pre 40 year old models.

It's simple. What you've probably heard is the UK government's preferred option of what they would like to do with their MOT - rolling 40 - in line with their current VED (Motor Tax) exemption. They have their own consultation on it going on just now.

Nothing has changed here yet and there's been no news for a while, other than indications that they will at least maintain the current position at worst.

Under the EU testing directive concerned, Member states can do what they like with regards to perodic testing of historic vehicles (those over 30/not altered/modified).

They can test them all, the same as any other car. They can not test them at all and take a fairly liberal interpretation of what altered/modified is. They can have a fixed date. They could test with a different frequency 2/3/4 whatever years.

The only thing they need to get a handle on is defining what altered/modified is. The directive doesn't permit a blanket 30 year cut-off. Heavily butchered cars will probably come under scrutiny - at least on paper.

I'm in favour of rolling 30 for admin purposes: it aligns with Motor Tax and VRT.

hi5

The modified/altered thing will probably stay the same as is now, once it has its original chassis then its not altered /modified.
I can't see them going down the whole 8 point rule road as in the UK...too much bureaucracy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/roadworthiness-testing-for-vehicles-of-historic-interest

Silvera

selectamatic wrote: »

Stereotyping of cars has a big impact on the amount of attention guards will pay to 80's classic cars.
For example mercs, defenders, jaguars, capris etc tend to slip under the radar
Where as ae86/5 Corollas, Sierras, e30 bmw's etc tend to be singled out for special attention

This is probably true as many of the drivers of such cars draw undue attention to themselves with their manner of driving, loud exhausts, etc etc

selectamatic

Silvera wrote: »

This is probably true as many of the drivers of such cars draw undue attention to themselves with their manner of driving, loud exhausts, etc etc

100% true but it's the perception the general public have to the same crime that irks me at times, if Johnny vtec is caught with no test on lets say an ae86 Corolla he'll have the book thrown at him, be branded a danger to other road users and most likely be tweet of the month on the garda twitter page.

Whereas if Joe bloggs drives a post 1980 landrover defender without test not half as many people will care or be outraged, worse still Mr bloggs will be the more likely of the two to commit the even greater crime of putting a pre 1980 reg on his vehicle and the sad truth is he'll most likely never be caught

savagethegoat

macplaxton wrote: »

It's simple. What you've probably heard is the UK government's preferred option of what they would like to do with their MOT - rolling 40 - in line with their current VED (Motor Tax) exemption. They have their own consultation on it going on just now.

Nothing has changed here yet and there's been no news for a while, other than indications that they will at least maintain the current position at worst.

Under the EU testing directive concerned, Member states can do what they like with regards to perodic testing of historic vehicles (those over 30/not altered/modified).

They can test them all, the same as any other car. They can not test them at all and take a fairly liberal interpretation of what altered/modified is. They can have a fixed date. They could test with a different frequency 2/3/4 whatever years.

The only thing they need to get a handle on is defining what altered/modified is. The directive doesn't permit a blanket 30 year cut-off. Heavily butchered cars will probably come under scrutiny - at least on paper.

I'm in favour of rolling 30 for admin purposes: it aligns with Motor Tax and VRT.

I think it is indeed an EU wide consultation looking to standardise. See link post 3

savagethegoat

John Dough wrote: »

Then why do most policies inc.mine state:



"You will need to have a valid NCT on your vehicle for on-road cover to be applicable"

??

whatever they may say, it is a requirement that a policy must cover third parties which is all the Law demands. If the Ins Co were to pay out a claim in such circumstances, they might come after the Policyholder for repayment, but the policy still must provide that minimum cover.

savagethegoat

80sDiesel wrote: »

But at a checkpoint surely every car is treated equally.

many Gards wont know at a glance how old a car is and would tend to wave on any classic particularly with a ZV reg. Bigger fish to fry. If there is a check point that is!

Means Of Escape

savagethegoat wrote: »

many Gards wont know at a glance how old a car is and would tend to wave on any classic particularly with a ZV reg. Bigger fish to fry. If there is a check point that is!

Traffic corps know all about the vintage and classic cars
It's very hard to bluff and bs them regarding nct etc and they will fine you and give you points without batting an eyelid

savagethegoat

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Traffic corps know all about the vintage and classic cars
It's very hard to bluff and bs them regarding nct etc and they will fine you and give you points without batting an eyelid

I didn't say anything about bluffing them, I said it was very unlikely they would stop you.

macplaxton

savagethegoat wrote: »

I think it is indeed an EU wide consultation looking to standardise. See link post 3

I'm just guessing where the OP got the "rolling forty" figure in his ear from at this particular moment in time.

22nd Sept 2016: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/roadworthiness-testing-for-vehicles-of-historic-interest

Although in amongst all that documentation, all bets are off after Brexit. Indeed, that particular policy position was due out in June originally.

Any actual news on the Irish position?

Means Of Escape

savagethegoat wrote: »

I didn't say anything about bluffing them, I said it was very unlikely they would stop you.

They have and they will

80sDiesel

savagethegoat wrote:

I didn't say anything about bluffing them, I said it was very unlikely they would stop you.

They have to and will. It's the law.

savagethegoat

80sDiesel wrote: »

They have to and will. It's the law.

eh? so they are breaking the law if they don't stop you?

Just to add, neither of my Classics require an NCT, just to make that clear.

unkel

selectamatic wrote: »

if Johnny vtec is caught with no test on lets say an ae86 Corolla he'll have the book thrown at him, be branded a danger to other road users and most likely be tweet of the month on the garda twitter page.

Whereas if Joe bloggs drives a post 1980 landrover defender without test not half as many people will care or be outraged

That's because Johnny vtec was caught doing 120mph down a Donegal bog road and Joe bloggs was pottering about at 25mph

millington

I've talked to countless people over the last few years who genuinely thought their 30 year old car was NCT exempt. Of course there are plenty who just don't bother with it but it's shocking the amount of people who think it's still a rolling 30 year rule.

carchaeologist

It's a common misconception that a 30 year old car is exempt from NCT testing. Iv had arguments with lads many times about this. ''Shur it's on the chape tax I don't need to test it now.''
It's a common misconception that a ZV plate 'hides' an 80s car from the NCT and and Garda checkpoints. More than a few 80s cars have had the ZV transfer done to attempt this.
It's a certain fact that locking the NCT test date down to 1980 contributed to a lot of the ringing currently going on as lads attempt to stick a 1970s plate on a car that crosses over that date, cars like Cortinas, Capris, Mantas, etc and so evade the test.

selectamatic

unkel wrote: »

That's because Johnny vtec was caught doing 120mph down a Donegal bog road and Joe bloggs was pottering about at 25mph

He could well be, but chances are he's caught at a conveniently placed check Point on the way to jap fest.

Similarly our friend Joe may be pottering along at 25mph but he could well be doing so while having 4 tonnes of Iford Williams trailer and cattle behind him with nothing more than 1980's landy brakes and a hail Mary to stop him

Like I said ill informed stereotypes play heavily on public perception

John Dough

selectamatic wrote: »

He could well be, but chances are he's caught at a conveniently placed check Point on the way to jap fest.

Similarly our friend Joe may be pottering along at 25mph but he could well be doing so while having 4 tonnes of Iford Williams trailer and cattle behind him with nothing more than 1980's landy brakes and a hail Mary to stop him

Like I said ill informed stereotypes play heavily on public perception

AH shure he only takes it out on Sundays when most checkpoints do not exist:D:D:D

outfox

Sorry to resurrect an old thread. I haven't had to bring a car for an NCT in about 15 years, so I can't recall how it works.
Does anyone know if they leave the car engine running throughout the test? Or do they turn of the engine at intervals?
The car is fitted with the most annoying immobiliser of all time (Mercedes W140). If the tester turns off the engine during the test, the immobiliser is unlikely to allow a restart unless the tester takes out the key, locks the car, unlocks it, and restarts it. Shouting instructions through the window from the waiting room would be some craic.

Bigus

outfox wrote: »

Sorry to resurrect an old thread. I haven't had to bring a car for an NCT in about 15 years, so I can't recall how it works.
Does anyone know if they leave the car engine running throughout the test? Or do they turn of the engine at intervals?
The car is fitted with the most annoying immobiliser of all time (Mercedes W1e40). If the tester turns off the engine during the test, the immobiliser is unlikely to allow a restart unless the tester takes out the key, locks the car, unlocks it, and restarts it. Shouting instructions through the window from the waiting room would be some craic.

Just explain it to the nct mechanic testing it .

outfox

OK, thanks. I didn't think I would be allowed the opportunity to talk to the tester.

Esel

If you wait by the car, you can tell the tester when he comes to get it.

Testacalda

And yes they have to switch it off when doing the shock absorber test and when it's on the ramp for underbody inspection

outfox

Thanks for that. That's what I was worried about. I'll have to bring a written SOP for the tester to follow.
Has anyone else been through this immobiliser ordeal with a W140?

MercMad

outfox wrote: »

Thanks for that. That's what I was worried about. I'll have to bring a written SOP for the tester to follow.
Has anyone else been through this immobiliser ordeal with a W140?

I have with my W140. It immobilises 30 sec after switch off. I just did as said above. Stood by the car and told the chap. However he was only lining them up and a different test took the car. I did see a conversation between both and there were no issues.

Good luck.