Cydectin overdose

Username John

Even tho I've dose with cydectin before somehow I managed to read the dose wrong and gave my lambs 6ml instead of 0.6ml

So 10 times the recommended dosage...

Am fcuking fuming with myself...

Anyone have any idea if I'll be walking out to a load o corpses tomorrow morning? It will I get away with it?

10 times is a serious overload like

Fcuk **** ****....

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

Even tho I've dose with cydectin before somehow I managed to read the dose wrong and gave my lambs 6ml instead of 0.6ml

So 10 times the recommended dosage...

Am fcuking fuming with myself...

Anyone have any idea if I'll be walking out to a load o corpses tomorrow morning? It will I get away with it?

10 times is a serious overload like

Fcuk **** ****....

Was it Cydectin dose (not injection), if it was , 6ml sounds right. 1 ml per 5kg.....mightn't even be enough

Me thinks you're overthinking due to a hangover

my3cents

If its the injection then 5 times the dose at 4 months of age has no reported issues in sheep https://www.drugs.com/vet/cydectin-oral-drench-for-sheep.html, cattle have been tested with a 10 times overdose with no obvious ill effects https://www.drugs.com/pro/cydectin.html .

Edit> Sorry I was wrong there the first link is for the drench.

grassroot1

Ring your vet and ask them

Username John

rangler1 wrote: »

Was it Cydectin dose (not injection), if it was , 6ml sounds right. 1 ml per 5kg.....mightn't even be enough

Me thinks you're overthinking due to a hangover

If only it could be attributed to a hangover and not pure stupidity rangler

Twas the injection... 30kg lambs, should have gotten 0.6ml... They got over 5...

Not sure what can be done really except wait and see I guess...

I might get away with it, I might not... Time will tell...

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

If only it could be attributed to a hangover and not pure stupidity rangler

Twas the injection... 30kg lambs, should have gotten 0.6ml... They got over 5...

Not sure what can be done really except wait and see I guess...

I might get away with it, I might not... Time will tell...

You should talk to your vet, there might be a product to neutralise overdoses

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2344&Itemid=2996

sadie1502

Username John wrote: »

If only it could be attributed to a hangover and not pure stupidity rangler

Twas the injection... 30kg lambs, should have gotten 0.6ml... They got over 5...

Not sure what can be done really except wait and see I guess...

I might get away with it, I might not... Time will tell...

Seriously ring the vet. That's negligence accidental yes but now your chosing to do nothing about it.

Username John

sadie1502 wrote: »

Seriously ring the vet. That's negligence accidental yes but now your chosing to do nothing about it.

Nothing can be done about it Sadie...

I have rang the vet - and that what he said... That's why I said it was a wait a see job...

Do you farm many sheep yourself?

sadie1502

Username John wrote: »

Nothing can be done about it Sadie...

I have rang the vet - and that what he said... That's why I said it was a wait a see job...

Do you farm many sheep yourself?

Well you didn't clarify that you had rang the vet. It doesn't matter if I farm or not. Im not sure it's relevant. Nothing you can do so as the vet said. But if I did overdose any animal accidentally my first port of call would be a vet. You somewhat seemed flippant about it with the remark about coming out to corpses in the morning. So that's why I wasn't sure if you would have called a vet. But like you say your vet said there's nothing now you can do. Hopefully they are ok. Good luck

Green farmer

Is that a clear mectins based product ? I did the same with I think noromectin a few years ago, ten times the dose, I misread the qualities on the syringe.The one in the navy box with yellow or red writing. Anyway I went back to where I bought it and they told me there's a large room for error and very little in the product. Still worried I rang the manufacturers and the rep told me the same thing. I had an anxious wait, but all sheep were fine and none had any side effects.

Username John

sadie1502 wrote: »

Well you didn't clarify that you had rang the vet. It doesn't matter if I farm or not. Im not sure it's relevant. Nothing you can do so as the vet said. But if I did overdose any animal accidentally my first port of call would be a vet. You somewhat sremedy flippant about it with the remark about coming out to corpses in the morning. So that's why I wasn't sure if you would have called a vet. But like you say your vet said there's nothing now you can do. Hopefully they are ok. Good luck

To be clear...

Vet was rang but he wasn't here (it being a Sunday morning) and was a while before he rang back...

In that time I posted on here...

What the vet said was actually what the first or second poster above said - check data sheet. But that would really only give you an idea as to whether you were in a known safe zone or not... But in short he said it was a wait and see job, regardless of what the data sheet was as it's still not obviously recommended to overdose...

As for my comment about corpses - that's not flippant, that's a reality. I'm not trying to start an argument now, but it's a harsh reality of farming... In this instance, I was the cause (and still might be) but most often it's something else - weather, disease, etc. So a flippant comment to you, is an actual possibility to me am afraid

Edit : thanks for good luck. Hopefully we'll get away with it...

Username John

Green farmer wrote: »

Is that a clear mectins based product ? I did the same with I think noromectin a few years ago, ten times the dose, I misread the qualities on the syringe.The one in the navy box with yellow or red writing. Anyway I went back to where I bought it and they told me there's a large room for error and very little in the product. Still worried I rang the manufacturers and the rep told me the same thing. I had an anxious wait, but all sheep were fine and none had any side effects.

Yep - sounds the same...

Incredibly mad with myself about it

Thanks for posting Green...

BannerBarry

Username John wrote: »

Yep - sounds the same...

Incredibly mad with myself about it

Thanks for posting Green...

I have always been told more than the recommended dose is far better than less than the recommended.
Fingers crossed they will be fine. I have had similar errors and it didn't cause any casualties

Username John

BannerBarry wrote: »

I have always been told more than the recommended dose is far better than less than the recommended.
Fingers crossed they will be fine. I have had similar errors and it didn't cause any casualties

Well - I pose the worms in the lambs that got the overdose - there shouldn't be any resistance problems there anyways...

my3cents

Username John wrote: »

To be clear...

Vet was rang but he wasn't here (it being a Sunday morning) and was a while before he rang back...

In that time I posted on here...

What the vet said was actually what the first or second poster above said - check data sheet. But that would really only give you an idea as to whether you were in a known safe zone or not... But in short he said it was a wait and see job, regardless of what the data sheet was as it's still not obviously recommended to overdose...

As for my comment about corpses - that's not flippant, that's a reality. I'm not trying to start an argument now, but it's a harsh reality of farming... In this instance, I was the cause (and still might be) but most often it's something else - weather, disease, etc. So a flippant comment to you, is an actual possibility to me am afraid

Another tech sheet that has as much info as any is this one http://www.hpra.ie/img/uploaded/swedocuments/LicenseSPC_10438-015-001_04072014111112.pdf

4.6 Adverse reactions (frequency and seriousness)

In very rare occasions, transient salivation, depression, drowsiness and ataxia may be reported in treated animals. No
treatment is generally necessary. The symptoms resolve in 24 to 48 hours. There is no specific antidote.

Username John

my3cents wrote: »

Another tech sheet that has as much info as any is this one http://www.hpra.ie/img/uploaded/swedocuments/LicenseSPC_10438-015-001_04072014111112.pdf

Thanks 3cents...

That's actually what the vets said... 24 - 48 hrs...

We'll keep an eye on em now...

Not much more can be done...

Cheers...

Base price

I hope they are ok John, fingers crossed.

IH784man

Hopefully they'll be alright,how many did you do?

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

Thanks 3cents...

That's actually what the vets said... 24 - 48 hrs...

We'll keep an eye on em now...

Not much more can be done...

Cheers...

Was it ewe lambs, are you aware there's very long withdrawal on cydectin......about 3 mths

Username John

rangler1 wrote: »

Was it ewe lambs, are you aware there's very long withdrawal on cydectin......about 3 mths

Yeah, ewe lambs.

82 days I think, which is the bones of 3 months yeah...

If they made it through the next 3 days now, I'd be happy...

Username John

IH784man wrote: »

Hopefully they'll be alright,how many did you do?

Hopefully... They were all right this evening anyways... But the vet said 24 - 48 hrs...

Did about 15 of em...

grassroot1

There but for the grace of god go I. Anyone can make a mistake don't beat yourself up about it.

sea12

grassroot1 wrote: »

There but for the grace of god go I. Anyone can make a mistake don't beat yourself up about it.

Agree. Happens to everyone from time to time john. Hopefully you'll be ok. Don't stress yourself out too much

ganmo

sadie1502 wrote: »

Well you didn't clarify that you had rang the vet. It doesn't matter if I farm or not. Im not sure it's relevant. Nothing you can do so as the vet said. But if I did overdose any animal accidentally my first port of call would be a vet. You somewhat seemed flippant about it with the remark about coming out to corpses in the morning. So that's why I wasn't sure if you would have called a vet. But like you say your vet said there's nothing now you can do. Hopefully they are ok. Good luck

if you've been able to get a hold of a vet on a sunday congrats!
John knows that there is a vet poster here(more than 1 actually) and plenty of experienced individuals
also vets are not miracle workers with all the answers so John was right to try every avenue open to him.

John best of luck

roosky

I wonder have you to multiply the withdrawl date by 10 !!!

sadie1502

ganmo wrote: »

if you've been able to get a hold of a vet on a sunday congrats!
John knows that there is a vet poster here(more than 1 actually) and plenty of experienced individuals
also vets are not miracle workers with all the answers so John was right to try every avenue open to him.

John best of luck

I have been able to get hold of a vet. There is an on call number. I never said they were miracle workers ? He just never clarified if he had been in contact with one. But then he did. So you're barking up the wrong tree altogether.

J.O. Farmer

roosky wrote: »

I wonder have you to multiply the withdrawl date by 10 !!!

No the drug is eliminated at a constant rate known as the half life. This is the amount of time to reduce the drug by half regardless of concentration. So 10 times the dose will become 5, 2.5, 1.25, 0.625.As such it will take 3-4 half life's longer. Given there is a margin of safety built in to withdrawals the withdrawal should be fine. Maybe best check the half life though.

Bleating Lamb

Hope they are all still ok by midweek for you John,as other posters have said try not to beat yourself up about it,we have all made mistakes at some stage with doses.Show me someone that says that they haven't and that person is a bad liar.

MD1983

Username John wrote: »

Even tho I've dose with cydectin before somehow I managed to read the dose wrong and gave my lambs 6ml instead of 0.6ml

So 10 times the recommended dosage...

Am fcuking fuming with myself...

Anyone have any idea if I'll be walking out to a load o corpses tomorrow morning? It will I get away with it?

10 times is a serious overload like

Fcuk **** ****....

overdosing happens regularly, working with so many lambs how often would you have dosed one twice not realising you had done that one before?! happened this year with cydectin triclamox and levafax diamond and no issues

solerina

Are they OK...I hope so !!

Username John

Been meaning to post here for a few days, but been a bit hectic lately...

So - most of me lambs were grand. I say most, as one of the ones I dosed went down (and died) with what looked like pneumonia.

Now, am sure the dose didn't help, as that was prob a shock to the system, but a part of me thinks that she might have gotten pneumonia any ways. She was a right thin runty thing, and the shearing was severe on em.

I timed the shearing badly, with the weather doing from dry to wet and miserable the day after they were shorn...

Any ways - the rest of the ones dosed look ok. I dosed the others, with the correct dose amount this morning.

Sitting having a beer now, and am off on me holidays tomorrow

Lastly - thanks for the help on the posts above there last weekend folks, appreciate it...

J.O. Farmer

Where you've livestock you'll have dead stock. She'd have gotten pneumonia anyway. Glad to hear the OD had no effect (I'd disregard the one with pneumonia as unrelated no point in debating the effect if any).
Enjoy your holidays.
I had a week off and was working on the farm and I'm here tonight having a drink with my girlfriend in a hotel on a weekend away and that has to be done too.

Green farmer

Good man John, delighted to hear their alright.

mcgiggles

Delighted they are okay! Enjoy the hols!