Looking for a Quiet Estate

GTE

Hey all,

I have got a new job, which is a contract for a year with the Dept of Education as a teacher but it will turn into a new contract for the year after; this may be a sticking point for a car loan approval.

Anyway, as I wait to hear back on details about those, I am in the market for a used car.

The prospect of a car loan is a new one, and the current loan amount not dictated by much at this point, other than I can afford the repayments each month. I am looking at around 14,000 euro.

Needs
I need a quiet estate in terms of road, engine and wind noise.
At least 1400 litres of boot space with the seats down
Air con
Good MPG; so most likely a diesel
Comfort (No M Sport 3 series or Skoda VRS ride qualities please)

Wants
Fancy parking gadgets and things which I probably dont really need; but I am up for treating myself.
Where I do not mind getting a 100 to 140 hp engine, I would like to have something more powerful.

My Options
The Honda Accord
Known as being a very quiet car, has been ruled out as it does not hold enough with the rear seats down and it is difficult to get one in the price range in the lower tax brackets. The storage is the main issue.

Volvo V50
I love the look, but it is just a bit too small at 1300 litres. Even though I would be willing to use a roof box with it for extra storage when needed, I am not convinced that it is a quiet car.

VW Golf
I have a MK4 Golf estate and the MK6 has a bit more room; though they are all essentially the same bland spec from my paddy spec Golf aside from Air Con.

Audi A4
Everytime I look at one, I am not convinced that they are that well specified; but I admit my ignorance of that line of cars

Skoda Octavia
The VRS is ruled out due to what I read about its harsh ride; also, I do not see very many of them at all unless they are reaching 20,000 euro.

Skoda Superb
More readily available with more powerful diesel engines (170hp) but I think they are just too big for me

VW Passat
Are these smaller than the Superb? Some really nice Sport speced ones pop up from time to time which I like the look of and they are more common with a 170hp engine.

Any other options?

I would appreciate any advice. I am looking at a 14,000 car loan but figure is more of a pop out of the hat style number. Online bank calculators which say how much I can borrow given my income and outgoings stretch to 18,000; though I do not know whether that is out of them wanting to get more money out of me, regardless of whether I am stretched or if they are on the conservative side of things.

SmartinMartin

What about a Citroën c4 Picasso or a Peugeot 5008? Huge room inside and very economical.

pidgeoneyes

The Seat Leon st fr? Gets good reviews. 1620L with the seats down. One of the better looking estates on the road.

GTE

pidgeoneyes wrote: »

The Seat Leon st fr? Gets good reviews. 1620L with the seats down. One of the better looking estates on the road.

Would be as quiet as a Passat/Accord?

Thanks

MuffinsDa

Well, if you really want to treat yourself: http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/jaguar/x-type/used-2011-jaguar-x-type-2-2-diese-dublin-fpa-201214557241440780

I know, not everyone's cup of tea.
I have a saloon 04 one of these and absolutely love it. Smoothest and quietest cars I've ever had. Better than my previous Mercs and Saabs.

pidgeoneyes

bbk wrote: »

Would be as quiet as a Passat/Accord?

Thanks

That I don't know as I haven't driven one yet but Seat's quality seems to be on the up. I'm planning a change in the next month or two and the Leon is on my shortlist.
Best idea would be to take the types you're looking at for a test drive.

bazz26

If you mean by quiet actual cabin refinement then probably not. The General rule of thumb is that the bigger the class of car you get the better interior refinement and soundproofing. Leon is basically a Golf underneath so I wouldn't expect it to be as refined as a Passat. However that is not to say the Leon is not refined.

colm_mcm

The current mondeo is incredibly quiet. Don't know if it would be within budget though.

I wouldn't class an accord as being overly quiet

GTE

Howdy,

Thanks for the replies.

Having been in a 141 Golf at some point when it was a courtesy car, I was shocked at how quiet it was compared to the MK4 Golf I have, but I did not drive it in many conditions. I would expect that later generations would get quieter, so perhaps my threshold for what I feel is acceptable lays within the newer Golf formats. Sadly though; the SEAT is out of the price range and there are no fun modern Golf estates out there. But I need to ask myself (and you guys ), would there be a big difference in omph from a 170 HP Passat and 140 HP Golf?

I shall check the Mondeo out; though if it is a current model, chances are it is well past the 14,000 budget which I am currently looking at.

What I do know about the 2013 Passat is that it has an acoustic layer built into the glass; as an audio engineer, that satisfies the nerd credentials of the car . But to be more serious, it does show that they went to a considerable effort with that car to make it quiet.

On the Accord front; it is out of the question due to small load space but all the reviews of the 8th generation say it is one of the quietest out there, maybe it has been hyped slightly.

I am leaning towards the Passat for a few reasons
- No good Golfs on the used market
- Honda is out of the question
- Skoda Octavias haven't shown up anything nice
- Volvo v50 is a tad too small and the v70 is difficult to find in a good price range and with a good tax bracket

EDIT: I need to look harder though; writing this thread is the first chance I have had at an actual computer to have a look see.

Thanks all!

CianRyan

This particular car is out of budget but not by much, you may well find one and they are beautiful.
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/13398147
Mazda 6 2.2 Tourer High Spec Sport Skyactiv 150BH

GTE

Thanks for the time to send that link on. That was one of the cars I was looking at a few months ago in the first bit of research I did. I like it, though I think I discounted it due to reviewers saying that it was a tad louder than it should have been in terms of wind noise; but I need to check that out.

Of course, actual test drives will be the final answer on the noise front.

bazz26

Opel Insignia Tourer:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Opel/Insignia/2.0CDTI-Tourer/4517431540923939059/

Peugeot 508 SW:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Peugeot/508/SW-Allure/5690566842740036764/

Volvo V60:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volvo/V60/R-DESIGN/2589513620812281340/

GTE

The V60 really jumps out, sadly the folded down boot space is just 1200 litres.

audi12

bbk wrote: »

Hey all,

I have got a new job, which is a contract for a year with the Dept of Education as a teacher but it will turn into a new contract for the year after; this may be a sticking point for a car loan approval.

Anyway, as I wait to hear back on details about those, I am in the market for a used car.

The prospect of a car loan is a new one, and the current loan amount not dictated by much at this point, other than I can afford the repayments each month. I am looking at around 14,000 euro.

Needs
I need a quiet estate in terms of road, engine and wind noise.
At least 1400 litres of boot space with the seats down
Air con
Good MPG; so most likely a diesel
Comfort (No M Sport 3 series or Skoda VRS ride qualities please)

Wants
Fancy parking gadgets and things which I probably dont really need; but I am up for treating myself.
Where I do not mind getting a 100 to 140 hp engine, I would like to have something more powerful.

My Options
The Honda Accord
Known as being a very quiet car, has been ruled out as it does not hold enough with the rear seats down and it is difficult to get one in the price range in the lower tax brackets. The storage is the main issue.

Volvo V50
I love the look, but it is just a bit too small at 1300 litres. Even though I would be willing to use a roof box with it for extra storage when needed, I am not convinced that it is a quiet car.

VW Golf
I have a MK4 Golf estate and the MK6 has a bit more room; though they are all essentially the same bland spec from my paddy spec Golf aside from Air Con.

Audi A4
Everytime I look at one, I am not convinced that they are that well specified; but I admit my ignorance of that line of cars

Skoda Octavia
The VRS is ruled out due to what I read about its harsh ride; also, I do not see very many of them at all unless they are reaching 20,000 euro.

Skoda Superb
More readily available with more powerful diesel engines (170hp) but I think they are just too big for me

VW Passat
Are these smaller than the Superb? Some really nice Sport speced ones pop up from time to time which I like the look of and they are more common with a 170hp engine.

Any other options?

I would appreciate any advice. I am looking at a 14,000 car loan but figure is more of a pop out of the hat style number. Online bank calculators which say how much I can borrow given my income and outgoings stretch to 18,000; though I do not know whether that is out of them wanting to get more money out of me, regardless of whether I am stretched or if they are on the conservative side of things.

Go for the Audi a4 I have one never gives much trouble why would you go for an esate do but a normal one.

audi12

bazz26 wrote: »

Opel Insignia Tourer:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Opel/Insignia/2.0CDTI-Tourer/4517431540923939059/

Peugeot 508 SW:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Peugeot/508/SW-Allure/5690566842740036764/

Volvo V60:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volvo/V60/R-DESIGN/2589513620812281340/

Opel Insignia are the worst car Opel ever made stay well away ask anyone in the trade they will tell you that

GTE

audi12 wrote: »

Go for the Audi a4 I have one never gives much trouble why would you go for an esate do but a normal one.

I don't quite understand the last bit, but if it recommends to look at saloons; my storage needs are around the 1400 litre mark so an estate is what it has to be.

Thanks though.

nice_guy80

is the estate vital?
why does it need to be quiet?

lots of estates out there for sale.
size of boot and engine are the biggest thing for people looking for an estate, usually

mondeos and octavias have huge boots. same for skoda superbs

GTE

nice_guy80 wrote: »

is the estate vital?
why does it need to be quiet?

lots of estates out there for sale.
size of boot and engine are the biggest thing for people looking for an estate, usually

mondeos and octavias have huge boots. same for skoda superbs

Hi

Yes, the estate is vital as the minimum load limit is 1400 litres but there is no need for anything much bigger as I know the load size very well.

It having low wind and road noise is essential to me.

As it stands now; im looking for the quicker units out there, so in the region of 170hp. That is more of a want. Im open to the 140hp range too, though anything less would be too like my current car and I would like to treat myself at least a bit.

Im looking into the Mondeos, but I wonder whether they are as big as the Superb, which I am concerned is just a bit too big for me in terms of physical size, never mind the boot. Though I do need to see how the Passat fares against it in size.

Octavias are an option but there are a lot of 1.6 TDIs out there. The ones id want are the 140hp units. The aesthetics of them aren't ticking boxes at the moment, but if push comes to shove, thats more of a want too.

Id say the order of pref. as it stands now is

- B7 Passat
- B8 A4
- MKVI Golf
- Facelift 2nd Gen Octavia (I love the 3rd gen, but too expensive)
- Mondeo, Mazda (all dependant on research I'm doing since they were mentioned here)

Thanks

R.O.R

audi12 wrote: »

Opel Insignia are the worst car Opel ever made stay well away ask anyone in the trade they will tell you that

Will you please stop embarrassing yourself?

Insignia was a class leader at launch, and while there were issues with early models, they were generally not major issues (except Thermal incidents) and ironed out in later versions. Power delivery was the biggest issue from ecoFlex gubbins they put in, but again solved in later models.

The new 170 2.0 engine is very smooth and so much quieter than the older 160/163 engine, and the 1.6 136ps "whisper" diesel is better than the 2.0Tdi 140ps it replaced, along with being quieter and smoother.

Not sure any of these options would be within the OP's budget though.

(I'm in the trade, and have been for a lot longer than you audi12)

PCP deal on a Toyota Auris Hybrid estate? Very quiet engine combo, but not sure about wind noise.

Oafley Jones

Im looking into the Mondeos, but I wonder whether they are as big as the Superb, which I am concerned is just a bit too big for me in terms of physical size, never mind the boot. Though I do need to see how the Passat fares against it in size.

I don't understand why you've set yourself such a narrow parameter in terms of size. Is it a garage issue, because as big as a superb is it isn't a LWB Range Rover. You'd be surprised how quickly you'd adapt to that size car.

Don't rate the superb in terms of road noise. Engines noise is decent enough, but I always have the impression that a window is open a crack.

traco

I've a 2010 Superb estate and I have no noise issue at motorway speeds, can use the car kit all day with customers and many never even comment that I'm in the car. I think tyre choice is the biggest generator of noise and thats easily sorted with a simple change when due.

As for size its bigger than our ML but it has more height if thats an issue but I find load length more valuable than height.

Oafley Jones

traco wrote: »

I've a 2010 Superb estate and I have no noise issue at motorway speeds, can use the car kit all day with customers and many never even comment that I'm in the car. I think tyre choice is the biggest generator of noise and thats easily sorted with a simple change when due.

As for size its bigger than our ML but it has more height if thats an issue but I find load length more valuable than height.

You've reminded me: On motorways approaching 120kph I do find this uhm uhm uhm sound from the engine slightly distracting.

I've Goodyear Eagle f1s, they're 18inch but they're meant to be decent enough in terms of noise. How VAG majority separate their brands feel is through NVH. Noise, vibration and harshness. There no doubting where the Superb comes in the line up vs it's VW and Audi siblings. Having said that I think it's a great car, and wouldn't have taken their equivalent offerings.

GTE

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I don't understand why you've set yourself such a narrow parameter in terms of size. Is it a garage issue, because as big as a superb is it isn't a LWB Range Rover. You'd be surprised how quickly you'd adapt to that size car.

Don't rate the superb in terms of road noise. Engines noise is decent enough, but I always have the impression that a window is open a crack.

It must be stressed that this talk is all pre-test drive.

I am anticipating issues based on reviews I have read and watched. With these anticipations and advice from here, I can sort out a preference list based on what is out there in the market.

Considering I am fine with a Golf sized car, the jump to a Superb is a significant one; though I can only fully answer that after the test drive.

Thanks and also for the Superb noise comment. I will check it out.

I am looking forward to spending a few days just driving new wagons about. Worse ways to spend time I suppose!!

tabby aspreme

I think you should recheck the figures you have for the Accord , I would think it's more than1400 ltrs with the seats down.

Walter2016

No mention of Hyundai i40 - 1700 litres space with seats down, about 15k for a 2012 model, low insurance rating, quiet and very efficient.

Here's review of the 2012 model
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/hyundai/i40-tourer

BMW 3 touring - or 5 series if you wanted real space. Both extremely comfortable. The 5 series is noted for issues on some models with the air suspension system. But exceptionally comfortable & quiet and about 48 mpg in real life conditions (mine has 280k on it in 4 years).

GTE

tabby aspreme wrote: »

I think you should recheck the figures you have for the Accord , I would think it's more than1400 ltrs with the seats down.

If you are taking about the 7th Gen, then the seats down load space is around 1700 litres, but the 8th gen is 1170ish.

Oafley Jones

Walter2016 wrote: »

No mention of Hyundai i40 - 1700 litres space with seats down, about 15k for a 2012 model, low insurance rating, quiet and very efficient.

Here's review of the 2012 model
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/hyundai/i40-tourer

BMW 3 touring - or 5 series if you wanted real space. Both extremely comfortable. The 5 series is noted for issues on some models with the air suspension system. But exceptionally comfortable & quiet and about 48 mpg in real life conditions (mine has 280k on it in 4 years).

I'd imagine Not too many BMWs with air suspension to worry about - unless it's standard on the estates. Plenty with the N47 and potential timings chain issues though.

grogi

bbk wrote: »

Hey all,

I have got a new job, which is a contract for a year with the Dept of Education as a teacher but it will turn into a new contract for the year after; this may be a sticking point for a car loan approval.

Anyway, as I wait to hear back on details about those, I am in the market for a used car.

The prospect of a car loan is a new one, and the current loan amount not dictated by much at this point, other than I can afford the repayments each month. I am looking at around 14,000 euro.

/.../

I would appreciate any advice. I am looking at a 14,000 car loan but figure is more of a pop out of the hat style number. Online bank calculators which say how much I can borrow given my income and outgoings stretch to 18,000; though I do not know whether that is out of them wanting to get more money out of me, regardless of whether I am stretched or if they are on the conservative side of things.

Citroen C5 Estate 2.0 HDI - preferably with Hydro?

This one http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Citroen/C5/TOURER-EXCLUSIVE/723753393439472194/ looks brilliant, but it's a tad out of the budget...


The C5 Exclusive comes with double glazing to reduce the noise, suspension is super-smooth but responsive at the same time. Hydro is even cheaper to maintain than than traditional one, but needs a mechanic that knows what he is doing.

Lex Luthor

bbk wrote: »

The V60 really jumps out, sadly the folded down boot space is just 1200 litres.

really? that's pretty crap for a Volvo

GTE

Here is an update on my thinking

This is the car I was initially looking at, it has since sold however.
Here

That was where I had my 14,000 budget formed from, along with a tentative annual budget of what I can pay back.

I am gonna up the budget to around 18,000 to see what happens.

There is a guy locally selling a lovely black Octavia Mark 3 in SE trim with cruise control for around 17,500. I really like the look of that model.
The test drive will see how quiet it is.

I am sure that the newer cars are better with road and wind noise so I am open to mark 6 VW Golfs if they can be found in nice spec too.

The i40 is good but doesnt tick the looks box for me.
I will check the C5 out.

audi12

bbk wrote: »

Here is an update on my thinking

This is the car I was initially looking at, it has since sold however.
Here

That was where I had my 14,000 budget formed from, along with a tentative annual budget of what I can pay back.

I am gonna up the budget to around 18,000 to see what happens.

There is a guy locally selling a lovely black Octavia Mark 3 in SE trim with cruise control for around 17,500. I really like the look of that model.
The test drive will see how quiet it is.

I am sure that the newer cars are better with road and wind noise so I am open to mark 6 VW Golfs if they can be found in nice spec too.

The i40 is good but doesnt tick the looks box for me.
I will check the C5 out.

I40s I sold them clutches are rank in them gone after a couple of years

Redtop

Subaru Legacy Estate, Forester or XV are all available in either Hatchbacks or Estates with permanent All Wheel Drive. They have been standard issue for many of the emergency services for hauling gear & for being able to go-anywhere. Volvo V70 AWD or XC60 or XC70 also worth considering.

bazz26

C5 here:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Citroen/C5/TOURER-EXCLUSIVE/723753393439472194/

The C5's sister car here, the Peugeot 508:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Peugeot/508/SW-ALLURE/2049154537937487262/

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

audi12 wrote: »

Opel Insignia are the worst car Opel ever made stay well away ask anyone in the trade they will tell you that

You throw this in every time they are mentioned. Why the grudge? It's getting tiring reading your constant unsupported bias.

They are an excellent motor and very reliable. The features as standard surpass most other models. The Insignia is a class leader.

Ask anyone, bar your audi mates, and they'll tell you.

grogi

Layne Ashy Memento wrote: »

They are an excellent motor and very reliable. The features as standard surpass most other models. The Insignia is a class leader.

Ask anyone, bar your audi mates, and they'll tell you.

Insignia, as fancy it looks with all the chromes around and oversized wheels, is equally small inside. It is the smallest car in the class.

It is far from being very reliable as well. Issues with oil pressure (which are "fixed" with a software update) or gearbox bearings are not uncommon.

It is a good car, but it is not class leader...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

grogi wrote: »

Insignia, as fancy it looks with all the chromes around and oversized wheels, is equally small inside. It is the smallest car in the class.

It is far from being very reliable as well. Issues with oil pressure (which are "fixed" with a software update) or gearbox bearings are not uncommon.

It is a good car, but it is not class leader...

Fair enough but I can't agree. I have found them to be completely trouble free and very spacious thanks to the layout. But, look, this is why there are so many makes and models out there. Everybody will never come close to agreement on cars.

AMKC

bbk wrote: »

It must be stressed that this talk is all pre-test drive.

I am anticipating issues based on reviews I have read and watched. With these anticipations and advice from here, I can sort out a preference list based on what is out there in the market.

Considering I am fine with a Golf sized car, the jump to a Superb is a significant one; though I can only fully answer that after the test drive.

Thanks and also for the Superb noise comment. I will check it out.

I am looking forward to spending a few days just driving new wagons about. Worse ways to spend time I suppose!!

Renault Megane estate is a nice looking car not sure what its luggage space with the seats down is do. Ford Focus estate.

If you do go for a bigger car do then the last gen Ford Mondeo is an excellent car. Lovely to drive lovely, to sit in, lovely to be driven in and they are very quiet on the motorway at 70, 80, 90 mph.

Special Circumstances

Redtop wrote: »

Subaru Legacy Estate, Forester or XV are all available in either Hatchbacks or Estates with permanent All Wheel Drive. They have been standard issue for many of the emergency services for hauling gear & for being able to go-anywhere. Volvo V70 AWD or XC60 or XC70 also worth considering.

The forester when it was an estate (rather than an SUV) was a little small inside. And far from quiet. After 08 I'd consider them SUVs. Legacy... quieter and more refined than the forester, but as long as they have the frame less windows wind noise on the motorway will be a factor. I know newer ones have gone for conventional framed windows, dunno what models and years though.

audi12

R.O.R wrote: »

Will you please stop embarrassing yourself?

Insignia was a class leader at launch, and while there were issues with early models, they were generally not major issues (except Thermal incidents) and ironed out in later versions. Power delivery was the biggest issue from ecoFlex gubbins they put in, but again solved in later models.

The new 170 2.0 engine is very smooth and so much quieter than the older 160/163 engine, and the 1.6 136ps "whisper" diesel is better than the 2.0Tdi 140ps it replaced, along with being quieter and smoother.

Not sure any of these options would be within the OP's budget though.

(I'm in the trade, and have been for a lot longer than you audi12)

PCP deal on a Toyota Auris Hybrid estate? Very quiet engine combo, but not sure about wind noise.

Talk to the traders who used to buy cars off us they wouldent touch a used one of those with a ten foot pole I should know I tried to sell them the trade ins I took.

Also they bought trades in form Opel garages and the feedback they got from the sales team is that it was the worst Opel model released it may not suite you but thats truth.

ABC101

bbk wrote: »

Hey all,

I have got a new job, which is a contract for a year with the Dept of Education as a teacher but it will turn into a new contract for the year after; this may be a sticking point for a car loan approval.

Anyway, as I wait to hear back on details about those, I am in the market for a used car.

The prospect of a car loan is a new one, and the current loan amount not dictated by much at this point, other than I can afford the repayments each month. I am looking at around 14,000 euro.

Needs
I need a quiet estate in terms of road, engine and wind noise.
At least 1400 litres of boot space with the seats down
Air con
Good MPG; so most likely a diesel
Comfort (No M Sport 3 series or Skoda VRS ride qualities please)

Wants
Fancy parking gadgets and things which I probably dont really need; but I am up for treating myself.
Where I do not mind getting a 100 to 140 hp engine, I would like to have something more powerful.

My Options
The Honda Accord
Known as being a very quiet car, has been ruled out as it does not hold enough with the rear seats down and it is difficult to get one in the price range in the lower tax brackets. The storage is the main issue.

Volvo V50
I love the look, but it is just a bit too small at 1300 litres. Even though I would be willing to use a roof box with it for extra storage when needed, I am not convinced that it is a quiet car.

VW Golf
I have a MK4 Golf estate and the MK6 has a bit more room; though they are all essentially the same bland spec from my paddy spec Golf aside from Air Con.

Audi A4
Everytime I look at one, I am not convinced that they are that well specified; but I admit my ignorance of that line of cars

Skoda Octavia
The VRS is ruled out due to what I read about its harsh ride; also, I do not see very many of them at all unless they are reaching 20,000 euro.

Skoda Superb
More readily available with more powerful diesel engines (170hp) but I think they are just too big for me

VW Passat
Are these smaller than the Superb? Some really nice Sport speced ones pop up from time to time which I like the look of and they are more common with a 170hp engine.

Any other options?

I would appreciate any advice. I am looking at a 14,000 car loan but figure is more of a pop out of the hat style number. Online bank calculators which say how much I can borrow given my income and outgoings stretch to 18,000; though I do not know whether that is out of them wanting to get more money out of me, regardless of whether I am stretched or if they are on the conservative side of things.

That VW 2013 Passat looks great and I think you have your eyes on that one.

Are there any other no go factors like age, mileage etc? Must you spend 14K minimum?

I, surprised you mention the Accord as being too small, I thought the 2009 models looked very big, perhaps the newer ones are smaller.

The Subaru Legacy estate, but in diesel spec....I'm not so sure, the early diesels had crankshaft failures, I think it's sorted from 2011 onwards, but could not be sure.

PukkaStukka

audi12 wrote: »

Opel Insignia are the worst car Opel ever made stay well away ask anyone in the trade they will tell you that

audi12 wrote: »

I40s I sold them clutches are rank in them gone after a couple of years

My God. Same tar. Same brush. :rolleyes:

audi12

PukkaStukka wrote: »

My God. Same tar. Same brush. :rolleyes:

why dont you google it so I sold enough i40s I think I would know thats what people get stung with bad cars think they know everything instead they know feck all

grogi

audi12 wrote: »

why dont you google it so I sold enough i40s I think I would know thats what people get stung with bad cars think they know everything instead they know feck all

The question that comes to my mind every time you mention your professional career is "you don't work in the trade anymore, do you?!"

Garzard

audi12 wrote: »

why dont you google it so I sold enough i40s I think I would know thats what people get stung with bad cars think they know everything instead they know feck all

It's pretty much impossible to buy a "bad" car these days. The levels of quality and refinement have gone through the roof and old stereotypes are out the window.

Anyway, OP... Is there a really specific need for minimum 1400L? Unless you're actually carrying something you can stuff in every nook and cranny, wouln't the shape of the load area be more important? A well designed 1200L could be better than a bad 1400L.

audi12

grogi wrote: »

The question that comes to my mind every time you mention your professional career is "you don't work in the trade anymore, do you?!"

If you trying to imply I was fired hate to disappoint you I left didnt like the job dealing with asshole customers day in day out but I did very well at was one of the best at the dealership.

grogi

audi12 wrote: »

If you trying to imply I was fired hate to disappoint you I left didnt like the job dealing with asshole customers day in day out but I did very well at was one of the best at the dealership.

http://www.cultjer.com/video/po-says-his-inner-peace-is-going-down-kung-fu-panda-2

audi12

grogi wrote: »

http://www.cultjer.com/video/po-says-his-inner-peace-is-going-down-kung-fu-panda-2

Im going to leave this thread before im banned again Opels are great cars as are Fiats and Renaults lol.

CiDeRmAn

I'm sorry...

A quiet estate....



I'm only surprised no one posted it already, given the title of the thread!

CianRyan

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm sorry...

A quiet estate....



I'm only surprised no one posted it already, given the title of the thread!

First thing I thought of, felt confused as to why it was in Motors.

Is the 159 Estate out the window? They're really nice cars, not sure on load space.

CiDeRmAn

An estate with comfort and space, it has to be the C5.
Mountains of gadgets.
Masses of space.
A beautiful looking car.
Good value for money and, as far as know, the car isn't the eccentric nutjob the previous model was, so it should be cheaper to maintain.

PukkaStukka

audi12 wrote: »

Opels are great cars as are Fiats and Renaults lol.

good man, that's more like it!