Is the farmers journal worth3 euro?

whelan2

Price gone up again today by 10 cent to 3 euro. Ok there are some great articles/reports but the most of it is now ads, not one page without an ad on it. So what do ye think. Tbh most weeks I dont read it at all. Only buy it as my mother does the crossword

Sam Kade

Not worth it, I gave up on it years ago but bought 2 of them this year for certain articles and never read the rest of it after. There' plenty crosswords online that would keep your mother busy besides paying €3 for the privilege.

_Brian

Nope, stopped years ago.
Will buy it for ploughing supplement and last bought it for same reason.

Timmaay

Same here, other than my folks read the papers none would be bought anymore. Print media is utterly obsolete now bar for the older generation.

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Same here, other than my folks read the papers none would be bought anymore. Print media is utterly obsolete now bar for the older generation.

I pay for the papers here and my parents read them , 5 euro now on a Thursday for the independent and journal

Sam Kade

The Cork examiner put the death notices online in 2006 and their sales plummeted so they decided to put a hefty charge to view death notices online then along came rip.ie and softened their cough Agriland did the same to ifj.

ganmo

anyone put buying the journal through the books?

PMU

how much is it online

Sam Kade

ganmo wrote: »

anyone put buying the journal through the books?

Never did when I used to buy it even though I found out it could be put through the books years before I gave up on it from a bookkeeper the got cranky with us one time

mikefoxo

Father buys it and I'd have a gander at it. Can be handy for things like reminding you of deadlines etc. A lot of it though is just repeating itself year after year. IMO it could be 1/3 of what it is, something like the Farmers Weekly in size

_Brian

Sam Kade wrote: »

The Cork examiner put the death notices online in 2006 and their sales plummeted so they decided to put a hefty charge to view death notices online then along came rip.ie and softened their cough Agriland did the same to ifj.

Yea.
Agri land is easy to use and less adjendas being shoved in your face all the time.

I'd have thought the journal is a bit like the old buy and sell mag, if they don't sort a good online edition free to use them it's dead in the water.

Muckit

I'm as guilty as you whelan. Get it and don't half read it.

€3/week is a lot of money. Perhaps they could consider downsizing and bring out a monthly mag at a fiver. It would work out cheaper for the farmer.

It is regarded as a genuine expense for accounts purposes and rightly so. Still, there's a lot of other things l could spend €150 on. I've a hole in my wellies for a start. And a new pair of oilskins would be great!

thegreatgonzo

_Brian wrote: »

Yea.
Agri land is easy to use and less adjendas being shoved in your face all the time.

I read Agriland too but I've heard criticism from a few different people about fact checking and accuracy.

_Brian

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

I read Agriland too but I've heard criticism from a few different people about fact checking and accuracy.

Can't that be said about all media though. It's not like the journal never pushes a specific adjenda that may not be on farmers interests in the long run.

adam14

thegreatgonzo wrote:

I read Agriland too but I've heard criticism from a few different people about fact checking and accuracy.

I'd like to take the journal up on their accuracy too. Also their spelling and grammar leaves a lot to be desired by the reporters. It's not worth 3 euro but sure you'd pay 3 euro for a coffee or a fiver for a pint!

rliston

Muckit wrote: »

I'm as guilty as you whelan. Get it and don't half read it.

€3/week is a lot of money. Perhaps they could consider downsizing and bring out a monthly mag at a fiver. It would work out cheaper for the farmer.

It is regarded as a genuine expense for accounts purposes and rightly so. Still, there's a lot of other things l could spend €150 on. I've a hole in my wellies for a start. And a new pair of oilskins would be great!

Free wellies if you take out a one year subscription for the journal at the moment

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/subscribe.php
Offer up today at 17:00

yewtree

i have the on line subscription think its around €120 for the year, not 100% on that, it up for renewal soon enough i will probably renew.

i wouldn't have much time for Agriland a lot of the articles have a commercial angle at least when they are in the journal it says advertisers announcement. The articles lack detail, they seem more interested in having lots of articles each day rather than having quality articles that you might get something out of, Also heard from a few people that they are badly fact checked and give misleading conclusions from farm walks& events

thegreatgonzo

_Brian wrote: »

Can't that be said about all media though. It's not like the journal never pushes a specific adjenda that may not be on farmers interests in the long run.

I think the criticism was about getting basic scientific facts wrong, not about agenda pushing.

oldsmokey

adam14 wrote: »

I'd like to take the journal up on their accuracy too. Also their spelling and grammar leaves a lot to be desired by the reporters. It's not worth 3 euro but sure you'd pay 3 euro for a coffee or a fiver for a pint!

I'm glad I'm not the only old crank who takes exception to the feeble level of journalism in that rag - most of the younger fells couldn't string a coherent sentence together - the grammar is a holy show, and we have the old chestnut of using 5 words where 1 will do - it makes for hard reading, but ups the word count.
Anybody notice how they copy press releases, particularly for the machinery 'articles' and any other old tosh thats printed to publicise something (the ILCS congress comes to mind), word for word - journalism me ar#e - pure plagarism.

Willfarman

I'm going to go against the grain here and I'd have to say I think it's well worth 3 euro. Lots of naive misjudged agenda and political propaganda at times but farmers have good bull**** radars inbuilt so it doesn't bother me. I like a paper. Particularly a new untouched one. Reading off the phone isn't the same.

MF290

yewtree wrote: »

i wouldn't have much time for Agriland a lot of the articles have a commercial angle at least when they are in the journal it says advertisers announcement. The articles lack detail, they seem more interested in having lots of articles each day rather than having quality articles that you might get something out of, Also heard from a few people that they are badly fact checked and give misleading conclusions from farm walks& events

+1 on agriland, used to check it a fair bit. All the attention grabbing headlines with little or no substance to the articles and articles that are actually advertisements would drive you mad. I remember reading a long winded article about how some lad cured a problem with his cattle only to realise it was essentially an advertisement.

Auld lad always has the journal even though he never has time to read it unless I point out some article of interest to him. He can send on the code to me on a thursday so I have access for the week which is handy. There's plenty of rubbish in it but overall the quality of journalism is much higher.

My favourite bit has to be Gerald Pottertons' ramblings every second week

Sam Kade

_Brian wrote: »

Can't that be said about all media though. It's not like the journal never pushes a specific adjenda that may not be on farmers interests in the long run.

Pushing investing during the celtic years comes to mind, they apoligised to all the people that got caught out on a investment fund they were strongly promoting.

mahoney_j

Buy it every week ,will continue ,lots of good stuff and lots of ****e as well ,just like agriland etc etc

The Cuban

Buy it only now and again I think €3 is the limit, but in fairness the Online Edition for €119 with the free Dunlop Wellingtons is good value.

Midfield9

MF290 wrote: »

+1 on agriland, used to check it a fair bit. All the attention grabbing headlines with little or no substance to the articles and articles that are actually advertisements would drive you mad. I remember reading a long winded article about how some lad cured a problem with his cattle only to realise it was essentially an advertisement.

Auld lad always has the journal even though he never has time to read it unless I point out some article of interest to him. He can send on the code to me on a thursday so I have access for the week which is handy. There's plenty of rubbish in it but overall the quality of journalism is much higher.

My favourite bit has to be Gerald Pottertons' ramblings every second week

Have to agree on Gerald Potterton, I'd even give him more space

kk.man

I don't smoke, drink very little and I claim it against tax. It's the only treat I give myself in the week. Oh I'm not a tillage farmer and agree Gerald Potterton is a great read!

CallofGuti

MF290 wrote: »

+1 on agriland, used to check it a fair bit. All the attention grabbing headlines with little or no substance to the articles and articles that are actually advertisements would drive you mad. I remember reading a long winded article about how some lad cured a problem with his cattle only to realise it was essentially an advertisement.

Auld lad always has the journal even though he never has time to read it unless I point out some article of interest to him. He can send on the code to me on a thursday so I have access for the week which is handy. There's plenty of rubbish in it but overall the quality of journalism is much higher.

My favourite bit has to be Gerald Pottertons' ramblings every second week

Thanks for that, you're someone who sums up my full thoughts on the agri journalism!!!!!

Is the Journal worth €3? Probably. Does it have articles for me as a part time beef farmer that will help my farm? Absolutely. Are they similar to last year or the year before or the year before that? Probably but I think the likes of Kieran Mailey are brilliant.

Saying that, does it mean that I will pay €3 every week? Almost certainly not. Three bucks every week (yes it's less than a pint but I really enjoy a pint!) is steep and high to pay out each and every week.

Potterton is a oy to read.

Agriland is, at its very best, minor titillation. Headlines that drag you into, usually, nothing articles that have shocking spelling and worse advice or stories. I use it everyday to keep me updated on what's happening but I take advice from it like I would from a drunk clown.

I think the Farming Independent is, actually, I don't know what the Farming Independent is like any more.

Salrub

Just buy the journal every week out of habit, didn't really pay attention to price until now!! Some good things in it most weeks though

ganmo

Any of the regional papers Agri sections worth reading?

wiggy123

€3 bit rich.. if goes up any more.. i'll not be buying--say many more be the same.. as to me its less about farming-more about adverts/corporate.. gotten very poor

Sam Kade

CallofGuti wrote: »

Thanks for that, you're someone who sums up my full thoughts on the agri journalism!!!!!

Is the Journal worth €3? Probably. Does it have articles for me as a part time beef farmer that will help my farm? Absolutely. Are they similar to last year or the year before or the year before that? Probably but I think the likes of Kieran Mailey are brilliant.

Saying that, does it mean that I will pay €3 every week? Almost certainly not. Three bucks every week (yes it's less than a pint but I really enjoy a pint!) is steep and high to pay out each and every week.

Potterton is a oy to read.

Agriland is, at its very best, minor titillation. Headlines that drag you into, usually, nothing articles that have shocking spelling and worse advice or stories. I use it everyday to keep me updated on what's happening but I take advice from it like I would from a drunk clown.

I think the Farming Independent is, actually, I don't know what the Farming Independent is like any more.

Can you answer me this seeing that you are a culprit, why do people subsitute yes with absolutely? It doesn't mean yes only in a roundabout way, why use it then?

John_Rambo

I'm non farming, but have an interest due to an interest in food. I work in the media and the Farming Indo on a Tuesday still garners a good bit of expensive advertising.

Do youse (Dub!) buy the Indo on a Tuesday to get the paper plus the farming section? Same with the Examiner?

(I don't work for either)

jfh

ganmo wrote: »

Any of the regional papers Agri sections worth reading?

I'm a fan of the examiner on a Thursday, although it wouldn't like to be known as a regional paper

CallofGuti

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can you answer me this seeing that you are a culprit, why do people subsitute yes with absolutely? It doesn't mean yes only in a roundabout way, why use it then?

Do you know the actual meaning of the work culprit? I don't think using the word absolutely means I've committed a crime (the meaning of the word culprit).

I use it because repitition is boring.

rainbowtrout

I've been getting it for my Leaving Cert students for years, but have noticed even in that age group a drop off in interest. Through the schools offer they get 28 issues for €20 which is good value when compared with the price in the shops. They don't get it during any of the holidays during the school year. I know a good few get it, not for themselves but because their parents read it, so it works out way cheaper, and some of the teachers who are also farmers get it through the school offer.

Find a Leaving Cert student to order for you!

Who2

its less than the price of a pint. 10c isnt going to break us. its a basic farming paper and fills a few tea breaks, is it that people expect more of it or more streamlined in depth articles. i find im reading similar articles alright but they are usually fairly well timed and i know for myself it may question me on something im at and whether there is another way of doing things. it gives a litttle bit of everything.

Icelandicseige

I find it funny that in a thread where everyone is giving out about Farmers Journal the adds are about the Farmers Journal

audi12

whelan2 wrote: »

Price gone up again today by 10 cent to 3 euro. Ok there are some great articles/reports but the most of it is now ads, not one page without an ad on it. So what do ye think. Tbh most weeks I dont read it at all. Only buy it as my mother does the crossword

As someone who is from a farming background I think its fair to say farmers are as mean as could be no surprise then to see such a thread.

Good loser

I buy it every Thursday and read it cover to cover.

€3 isn't cheap but it is good value. Plenty valuable articles for the keen and the beginners. Gives good grounding in the basics and valuable for the nuances of Schemes.

Editors have always been top class.

Nekarsulm

This "race to the bottom" seems endemic in the print media.
If they can include a photo of the bottom, all the better.
There is a definite progression to the level of the "Red Top" papers, with no actual critical analysis or commentary on important issues.
The local rag, the Anglo Celt, has joined in. Bought by a countrywide media group a number of years ago, it was almost a Meath paper for a while,but has pulled back to more local issues and Ad's.
For example, the Front Page story this week is about a lad in his sixties that got Penis cancer, and had to have it rebuilt.
He says he's "looking forward to leading a full life again". Shudder.
Watch out for an ad. in the back of the Journal......

The Court Reports and the planning notices are the only parts worth reading. Haven't bought it in years. Local coffee shop has it lying around, so scan it then.
Looking at other regional papers, this type of "journalism" seems to be widespread. Just get a work experience student to bang it out on a Mac.
Anyway, rant over, I can feel the tablets cutting in......

Sam Kade

CallofGuti wrote: »

Do you the actual meaning of the work culprit? I don't think using the word absolutely means I've committed a crime (there meaning of the word culprit).

I use it because repitition is boring.

You're committing a crime against the English language.

CallofGuti

Sam Kade wrote: »

You're committing a crime against the English language.

:cool: That seems logical!

oldsmokey

Nekarsulm wrote: »

This "race to the bottom" seems endemic in the print media.
If they can include a photo of the bottom, all the better.
There is a definite progression to the level of the "Red Top" papers, with no actual critical analysis or commentary on important issues.
The local rag, the Anglo Celt, has joined in. Bought by a countrywide media group a number of years ago, it was almost a Meath paper for a while,but has pulled back to more local issues and Ad's.
For example, the Front Page story this week is about a lad in his sixties that got Penis cancer, and had to have it rebuilt.
He says he's "looking forward to leading a full life again". Shudder.
Watch out for an ad. in the back of the Journal......

The Court Reports and the planning notices are the only parts worth reading. Haven't bought it in years. Local coffee shop has it lying around, so scan it then.
Looking at other regional papers, this type of "journalism" seems to be widespread. Just get a work experience student to bang it out on a Mac.
Anyway, rant over, I can feel the tablets cutting in......

Good points there - and I'm afraid its endemic - look at the standard of muck dished up on telly in the name of 'documentary' , simplistic tripe which has to be made by fairly simple producers - or else they're having a laugh at us, saying 'this is what they need'...even our friends in the BBC are succumbing to the race to the bottom..shame.

Genghis Cant

Neks point above is well made. There is a general decline in standards I think. Even the once high and mighty Irish Times is no better than the rest with some of its reports.
I often think some of the IFJ team keep half an eye on what's goin on here. Articles arrive in the Journal after the same issue being thrashed out here.
Maybe I'm over thinking it :-)

Lady Haywire

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can you answer me this seeing that you are a culprit, why do people subsitute yes with absolutely? It doesn't mean yes only in a roundabout way, why use it then?

It's a more florid style of writing, I would also be a 'culprit' as I think it makes reading a bit more interesting to use words that embellish the writing.

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Neks point above is well made. There is a general decline in standards I think. Even the once high and mighty Irish Times is no better than the rest with some of its reports.
I often think some of the IFJ team keep half an eye on what's goin on here. Articles arrive in the Journal after the same issue being thrashed out here.
Maybe I'm over thinking it :-)

They do, I asked Justin straight out last time I met him. Because life's too short to wonder!

Buford T. Justice XIX

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Neks point above is well made. There is a general decline in standards I think. Even the once high and mighty Irish Times is no better than the rest with some of its reports.
I often think some of the IFJ team keep half an eye on what's goin on here. Articles arrive in the Journal after the same issue being thrashed out here.
Maybe I'm over thinking it :-)

The decline is a product of the society we live in. People seem to give more credence to free news sources that compete on price of advertising with the traditional media. Traditional media then has less income to pay for both the number and quality of journalists, with some exceptions, needed to give a full and frank account of any story being reported.

I still buy the Journal, it has a lot of good articles from across the spectrum of farm industries. There is a lack of technical articles with the last while which probably reflects the research being done atm and I feel there is a huge shift towards beef reporting since Justin was appointed which was probably needed tbf.

GiantPencil

I live abroad and find the code they give in the Irish Country Living so you can access the site fully for that week to be fierce handy...Parents give me the code each Thursday and I can browse away for the week online

valtraman

Only buy it once in a while ,there is a good supplement on corn sprays in the spring and the ploughing map is very handy other than that it only puts me in a bad humour with largely rubbish and hype reporting and hardly a price on any advert

X6.430macman

Get it through my ag science class at school, 20€ for the whole school year, fairly good. Might get two some weeks

sea12

Haven't bought it in ages but bought it this week for the ploughing. My wife was in town on Thursday and bought a second copy for me because if the ploughing. Typical

audi12

sea12 wrote: »

Haven't bought it in ages but bought it this week for the ploughing. My wife was in town on Thursday and bought a second copy for me because if the ploughing. Typical

A lot of people I know wives dont talk to them never mind buy them anything I would be grateful