Nissan now dirt?

sellasheep

Since Renault took over they seem to have gained an awful reputation for being unreliable. Would this be true?

mickdw

sellasheep wrote: »

Since Renault took over they seem to have gained an awful reputation for unreliability. Would this be true?

Qashqai is flying and I don't here too any complaints.

Toyotafanboi

The early noughties Nissans were poor.

The Quasqai has always been respectable, their other stuff has gone downhill.

The K13 Micra isn't as much a contender to it's rivals as the 10, 11 or even the 12 was, it's a bit too built to a budget. Pulsars seem to be selling well but they are a bit crap even compared to a Corolla etc.

Their commercial stuff is ok, but I suppose they all badge engineered models.

The'd be about as successful as Mitsubishi i'd say if they didn't have the Qashqai.

Giacomo McGubbin

sellasheep wrote: »

Since Renault took over they seem to have gained an awful reputation for being unreliable. Would this be true?

The track record of a particular model and engine is what points to actual reliability.
Going by make or nationality instead of model is a very unreliable guide to reliability.

bigroad

Yea their stuff is just Ok.
Main engine for nearly everything is a 1.5dci.
Only for the Quasqai they would have been in trouble.As said the Pulsar isnt too bad .
Nothing like the cars and vans they built in 90s,They sold very well here,i often see many older primara s still going.

kona

Yea a r35 is dirt. Lol.

robtri

where are you hearing these rumours??? curious
More like the "premium" brand BMW are piles of ****e

According to JD power in the UK nissan is 4th most dependable manufacturer.

Arthur Daley

Compared to the 80s and 90s though I feel Nissan went down market. Specifically around 2002 when that solid 2nd generation primera was replaced by the futuristic jelly shaped dog that ran up to the introduction of the cash cow. The micra also went down big time with the most recent model. The sunny/almera/tiida was never a dynamic choice in the golf/focus class and the competition has just moved on so much from nissan. Smacks of lack of investment/innovation.

bigroad

Strange graph,as in dacia,renault and nissan use a lot of the same parts,
Honda well down the list,
Mercedes well up the list
and kia and hyundai using the same parts.

robtri

bigroad wrote: »

Strange graph,as in dacia,renault and nissan use a lot of the same parts,
Honda well down the list,
Mercedes well up the list
and kia and hyundai using the same parts.

The study measures problems experienced during the past 12 months by original owners of vehicles in the United Kingdom after 12-36 months of ownership. The study examines 177 problem symptoms across eight categories: engine and transmission; vehicle exterior; driving experience; features/controls/displays; audio/communication/entertainment/navigation (ACEN); seats; heating, ventilation and cooling (HVAC); and vehicle interior. Overall dependability is determined by the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100), with a lower score reflecting higher quality.

tanko

I haven't seen a new Quasqai since the new Hyundai Tuscon came out.

Unknown Soldier

They are pretty sh1t.

Fact.

Because I said so on the internet, or me mate told me. Or I don't have a clue and am just offering an opinion. But please take it as fact.

That aside I would imagine like most cars these days, they are OK.

Most brands are made from the same parts at this stage, Tis just numpy heads who have vision of good and bad.

Style however, thats a different story, which numpty heads wouldn't get.

bigroad

robtri wrote: »

The study measures problems experienced during the past 12 months by original owners of vehicles in the United Kingdom after 12-36 months of ownership. The study examines 177 problem symptoms across eight categories: engine and transmission; vehicle exterior; driving experience; features/controls/displays; audio/communication/entertainment/navigation (ACEN); seats; heating, ventilation and cooling (HVAC); and vehicle interior. Overall dependability is determined by the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100), with a lower score reflecting higher quality.

Ah so up to 3 years old,that might explain a bit,also a lot of these problems would have been covered by warranty.
Nothing on diesel vs petrol.

bigroad

tanko wrote: »

I haven't seen a new Quasqai since the new Hyundai Tuscon came out.

Yea Quasqai was a great fashion for a few year but they are soooo yesterday.

For Forks Sake

tanko wrote: »

I haven't seen a new Quasqai since the new Hyundai Tuscon came out.

bigroad wrote: »

Yea Quasqai was a great fashion for a few year but they are soooo yesterday.

4396 of them registered this year. You need to look harder.

bazz26

7,230 Tucsons registered though.

r3nu4l

For Forks Sake wrote: »

4396 of them registered this year. You need to look harder.

While I agree that they have sold in the bucket loads, I think the tanko was making the point that the Tuscon is outstripping sales of the Qashqai massively, as shown here

Edit: Also, I owned a 2.0L (150hp) 2007 reg QQ in England, top spec with all the toys you could imagine but it was a proper Friday afternoon car in terms of quality unexplained surging, leaking fuel pipe, radiator leak, seized calipers, busted wheel bearings (front driver and front nearside wheels), as well as normal wear and tear. That said, I loved the car to drive as it was almost like owning a sleeper

To balance that personal report, I also had a mate who owned a 2008 QQ and he never had a day of trouble with it.

Kintarō Hattori

While I wouldn't buy either, the Tucson is quite good looking while the Qashqai is looking quite dated... imho.

bigroad

bazz26 wrote: »

7,230 Tucsons registered though.

Yes thats right the qq at one time i think was 4th on the best sellers list but not anymore.

bazz26

Interestingly the Qashqai's sister, the Renault Kadjar sold around 2,500 units.

robtri

so far this year....

Tuscon - 7,230 registered

Quashqui - 4,396 registered

listermint

I don't like Nissans at all.


Nothing more nothing less.

JohnBoy26

Nissan really haven't made a great car since the late 90's. Their newer stuff wouldn't hold a candle to the nissans of the 80's/90's in terms of build or reliability.

Nekarsulm

Wife has an X Trail. 2005 model.
She bought it as a 6 year old car.
She has had it five years now, and it has never failed to start, nor ever broken down. Its a 2.0 petrol auto.
Loves petrol though......

monkeysnapper

I bought a 1998 primera in 2004 and I have to say it was solid . I drove the pants off that car from 30k till I sold it on 135k . looking back it was a fab car .

My next few cars have been Audi's and Citroen .

The Audi's were lovely cars but seem to always be fixing something that cost way more to fix than it should have .

The Citroens have been way cheaper to buy which leaves you the extra money to fix the problems .

I look at my cars in drive way and to be honest I really don't know what to do next ????

Nekarsulm

Interesting to look at that reliability chart above, and see that Audi's reported almost twice as many faults as VW's.

LpPepper

My parents have an 07 Note 1.4 petrol since new and never had any problems with it. Just service it and have had a few wheel bearings replaced.

colm_mcm

That Jr. Power survey has a subjective element to it. A bit like asking a customer in KFC and one in a Michelin star restaurant to mark their meal out of 5.

That's why Dacias get high scores, if you've bought one then your standards won't be as high as someone who buys a Renault for example.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I had a soft spot for nissans for many years, one of my first cars was a Uk spec K10 (1.2 GSX) and it was a little flier. I also has a Bluebird ZX turbo and a S11 Silvia. The last Nissan I owned was a 98 Primera GT (chromaflair Mystique). That was the last Nissan available in Ireland with any kind of performance (although they were by no means fast) It's like they gave up, the last Primera was the ugliest most mundane POS ever.

Nissan for some strange reason currently have no saloon cars available and as a result are severely limiting their potential buyers.

The pulsar is ok looking. They really should bring out a GT version of it (there's probably one available elsewhere but not in this god for saken shïthole of a country where the government and insurance industry are slowly but surely ensuring that all people will soon be able to tax or insure is a low emission econobox.

colm_mcm

SUVs are where it's at, nobody wants saloons now, to be fair to Nissan, they have the juke, Qashqai, and x trail. All serious contenders.

The only saloons selling in any numbers are Passats and Corollas.

BigEejit

I have used the warranty direct reliability index as part of my car buying decisions in the past, its not based on customers answering a poll but on actual data about repairs that they covered under warranty. With polls you can get people acting like religious zealots giving every aspect of their motor 10/10 while slating everything else, and also you could get people incredibly unhappy about some make that would badly skew the data.

The blurb on the JD Power site says "The study shows that problems with vehicle audio, communication, entertainment, and navigation (ACEN) systems now account for 20% of all customer-reported problems." so some ****box dacia with no features will have a 20% bonus over someone who cant operate the bluetooth on their honda.

Saying that, the warranty direct index got skewed by Daihatsu (probably small sample size or something).

nice_guy80

I've a soft spot for Tiidas

having rented them on a few different continents

CJhaughey

Navara is suffering from cracked chassis in many instances.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/nissan-offers-cracked-chassis-deal-to-owners-205826

https://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2057627028?

http://www.europe4x4mag.com/2016/03/03/pick-ups-check-chassis/

_Kaiser_

colm_mcm wrote: »

SUVs are where it's at, nobody wants saloons now, to be fair to Nissan, they have the juke, Qashqai, and x trail. All serious contenders.

The only saloons selling in any numbers are Passats and Corollas.

Ah there's a lot more saloons than that around.. every 3rd/4th car is a new-ish BMW 3/5 series, or some variant of A4/6 for example.

The Irish love their saloons. It's why estates never became particularly popular here either.

bazz26

I think Colm is talking about SUV crossovers from non premium brands. The likes of the Qashqai, Tucson etc are selling well whereas sales of traditional saloons like the Avensis, Mondeo, etc are in decline across Europe.

pajor

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The pulsar is ok looking. They really should bring out a GT version of it (there's probably one available elsewhere but not in this god for saken shïthole of a country where the government and insurance industry are slowly but surely ensuring that all people will soon be able to tax or insure is a low emission econobox.

Yours for €29,640 here in NL. 190hp. Top speed of 217kph and 0-100 in 7.7 seconds. Doesn't sound too shabby.

CO2 of 138g so that would be €280 tax in Ireland. Go figure.

Henry Ford III

You can get a Nissan Juke Nismo RS here for c.€33k+

Sounds like a fun car.

p.s. 370Z is still available - megabucks though.

Ah, Nissan Juke, a car that all ready looks like it has been crashed.

Cee-Jay-Cee

colm_mcm wrote: »

That's why Dacias get high scores, if you've bought one then your standards won't be as high as someone who buys a Renault for example.

Crikey...in my opinion Renault are equally as rubbish as Dacia.

Veloce

Henry Ford III wrote: »

p.s. 370Z is still available - megabucks though.

and €2,350 tax!

Joe 90

Veloce wrote: »

and €2,350 tax!

Makes the £500 for my ISF seem almost reasonable.

colm_mcm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Crikey...in my opinion Renault are equally as rubbish as Dacia.

I deliberately said Renault - they're not any worse, but probably score worse because of different expectations.


Just like Skoda 10/15 years ago.
Even with cars like the Aygo/C1/107 which were all the same car, they scored completely differently IIRC.

robtri

colm_mcm wrote: »

That Jr. Power survey has a subjective element to it. A bit like asking a customer in KFC and one in a Michelin star restaurant to mark their meal out of 5.

That's why Dacias get high scores, if you've bought one then your standards won't be as high as someone who buys a Renault for example.

Dacia got a crap score, one above Audi... so not sure what u are on about

and you comparison is not valid, it is decided on by how many faults the cars have had... they either had a fault or not, not subjective...


BMW, Audi and Dacia had a lot of faults... so one could say poor build quality

colm_mcm

I must be thinking of a different survey. Apologies.

BigEejit

robtri wrote: »

and you comparison is not valid, it is decided on by how many faults the cars have had... they either had a fault or not, not subjective...

Depends on what you define as being a fault? According to JD Power, someone not reading the fecking manual and whinges to the person who rings them up for an online car study about not being able to pair their phone is a "fault" .... however, according to the warranty direct reliability results, something needs to be actually broken.
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2016-uk-vehicle-dependability-study
fyi, ACEN = audio/communication/entertainment/navigation

Volume brands also outpaced premiums in 2015, but by a smaller margin (52 PP100). However, premium brands also have more tech features—one of the largest sources of quality issues. Five of the top 10 problems in the industry are related to technology in the ACEN category. The most often reported ACEN problem is built-in Bluetooth mobile phone/device frequent pairing/connectivity issues.

Honestly, if anyone thinks that Renault make better cars than Honda they want their fecking heads examined.

For Forks Sake

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Nissan really haven't made a great car since the late 90's. Their newer stuff wouldn't hold a candle to the nissans of the 80's/90's in terms of build or reliability.

Granted, most of their output has been utter dross...but this managed to escape the clutches of the Renault beancounters...

Eric Cartman

robtri wrote: »

where are you hearing these rumours??? curious
More like the "premium" brand BMW are piles of ****e

According to JD power in the UK nissan is 4th most dependable manufacturer.

to be fair to your graph

BMW : the latest state of the art just released navigation system is broken.

Nissan : what navigation system.

Audi : One of my 10 cylinders in my high compression turbo petrol engine has a misfire

Toyota : my 4 cylinder N/A petrol design from the 90s is still lazily chugging away.

Mercedes : My new E-Class is making a slight noise, to the dealer with it immediately,

Skoda : I don't care if the check engine light is on, sure I financed it to the hilt and haven't serviced it in 2 years as I can't afford to , the whole collection of 40-50 issues will count as one when it eventually dies and I bring it to a mechanic with a heat seized engine.

ok may be a bit far but in general , premium cars have a lot more kit, the latest kit and more complicated engines.
Also what may be a problem (like a slight creak or led gone on a switch) for a jaguar/LR/BMW/Merc owner would generally go ignored on a cheap jap family car / runaround.

robtri

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be fair to your graph

BMW : the latest state of the art just released navigation system is broken.

Nissan : what navigation system.

Audi : One of my 10 cylinders in my high compression turbo petrol engine has a misfire

Toyota : my 4 cylinder N/A petrol design from the 90s is still lazily chugging away.

Mercedes : My new E-Class is making a slight noise, to the dealer with it immediately,

Skoda : I don't care if the check engine light is on, sure I financed it to the hilt and haven't serviced it in 2 years as I can't afford to , the whole collection of 40-50 issues will count as one when it eventually dies and I bring it to a mechanic with a heat seized engine.

thats fair... BMW new tech unreliable...

how many Audi sold as a percentage are the 10 cylinder variety? so doesnt really explain why they so low


Skoda.... strange then that Dacia and Chevrolet are not same....

Eric Cartman

robtri wrote: »

thats fair... BMW new tech unreliable...

how many Audi sold as a percentage are the 10 cylinder variety? so doesnt really explain why they so low


Skoda.... strange then that Dacia and Chevrolet are not same....

not many 10 cyl at all, but id bet the ones who do own them are back at the dealer for every knock to get the most out of warranty.

realistically audi and VW should pretty much be the same, platforms, electronics , engines and other drivetrain components are heavily shared , same with skoda and seat. My only answer as to why audi is on the other side of the pendulum is pickier owners and higher end electrical systems failing.

chevrolet have had some truly dire models that would drag them all the way down there

robtri

Eric Cartman wrote: »

not many 10 cyl at all, but id bet the ones who do own them are back at the dealer for every knock to get the most out of warranty.

realistically audi and VW should pretty much be the same, platforms, electronics , engines and other drivetrain components are heavily shared , same with skoda and seat. My only answer as to why audi is on the other side of the pendulum is pickier owners and higher end electrical systems failing.

chevrolet have had some truly dire models that would drag them all the way down there

I would disagree with Audi and VW, just because ur car costs a bit more doesnt make you more pickier... People who buy new cars generally buy as best they can afford, so cost is slightly irrelevant as if u have spend all your hard earned cash and spent as much as you can afford, you will be as picky as the next person who spend a few quid more...

robtri

different take on it...

Manufacturer Ratings
All of Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies are used to build up a particular manufacturer’s ratings into one figure that should expose whether cars from this stable are generally reliable - or maybe not! Perhaps most models lack in a certain area, Audis suspensions might be a case in point. Any manufacturer can introduce the occasional misfit but this rating might give you the confidence to consider a later model edition or an alternative model from the same marque – or satisfy your general misgivings and encourage you to look elsewhere! Due to this being an average a single high or low scoring model can disproportionately affect the result however.

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer