Sunday 11th

BorneTobyWilde

Dark Alliance 25-1 2.00 Curragh

Beat Captain Power 3 races back, Captain will be one of the well fancied horses here.
Dark Alliance on bottom weight and a big price.
With 4 to place I like it ew

1pt ew 25-1

sdoc13

Also 2 00 Curragh. Bubbly Bellini is overpriced at 25s. MultipleC and D winner off higher marks including earlier this year when winning off 88. Runs off 83 tomorrow and the ground has come right for him. I expect it to run well and to go off 16s or shorter. 2.5 pt win.

HarshOstrich

sdoc13 wrote: »

Also 2 00 Curragh. Bubbly Bellini is overpriced at 25s. MultipleC and D winner off higher marks including earlier this year when winning off 88. Runs off 83 tomorrow and the ground has come right for him. I expect it to run well and to go off 16s or shorter. 2.5 pt win.

I've been watching him closely for a while and there's no doubt he's well handicapped but the ground won't be soft enough I don't think, if it where soft I would go in big time.

sdoc13

I think yielding would be OK. But agreed any rain will help big time.

HarshOstrich

Bubbly Bellini got the Hugh Taylor treatment before I decided to back him.
Hate when the value goes

sdoc13

HarshOstrich wrote:

Bubbly Bellini got the Hugh Taylor treatment before I decided to back him. Hate when the value goes

Just saw that. Would have gone in again if I saw the 33s with 365.

arayess

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Dark Alliance 25-1 2.00 Curragh

Beat Captain Power 3 races back, Captain will be one of the well fancied horses here.
Dark Alliance on bottom weight and a big price.
With 4 to place I like it ew

1pt ew 25-1

50/1 now on 365

ON ZEE BRIDLE

I like captain power Ew in the first.Been told to back Shamreen in the second

ON ZEE BRIDLE

Shamreen just about gets up!thought he was goosed two out but battled well to win it

BumperD

Interesting sprint coming up at the Curragh. Suspect it will go to the Uk. Spirit Quartz and Gracious John would be on my shortlist. No bet though

BorneTobyWilde

Gracious John 20-1 3.10

Poor run last time out on heavy ground. Ran 3rd to Meccas Angel before this finishing ahead of Sole Power and Ardmooney that day.
Its record over 5f is really good.
I think it has every chance at treble the price of others

20-1 ew .

BorneTobyWilde

arayess wrote: »

50/1 now on 365

Reflected in the run.

uxiant

Going to give Lockheed a chance in the next at the Curragh at 25/1 ew on Paddy Power. Don't think Churchill has beaten much and Mehmas is stepping up from an easy 6f to a stiff 7f on slower ground which I don't think will suit. Psychedelic Funk looks like one of those early season 2 year olds who won't progress so the in form Haggas looks a bit of value to spring a shock.

BorneTobyWilde

Mr Scaramanga 17-2 5.25

Ran run in better company than all of these. At 17-2 with 4 place PP I like it,

2pts ew 17-2

4068ac1elhodqr

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mr Scaramanga 17-2 5.25

Ran run in better company than all of these. At 17-2 with 4 place PP I like it,

2pts ew 17-2

Madam Prancealot in this, for no other reason that's it's 100/1.
A 4th place will do, to boost the daily e/w accumulator.
A big field so just a sprinkle of a few cautious pennies.

akelly02

Ryan moore absolute awful on order of st george there, wow.

Pinesky

akelly02 wrote: »

Ryan moore absolute awful on order of st george there, wow.

It looked awful. He looks like he's carrying an injury.

uxiant

Ted Walsh can't seem to put together a sentence without mentioning ****ing national hunt horses. This is meant to be Ireland's premier flat meeting.

Harry Angstrom

uxiant wrote: »

Ted Walsh can't seem to put together a sentence without mentioning ****ing national hunt horses. This is meant to be Ireland's premier flat meeting.

And he was spouting some rubbish that if Simenon was in the race he would've hacked up. Simenon's last run was in a 3 mile hurdle at Roscommon where he was last of 4, beaten 30 lengths.

Earendil

Jesus I hope Aiden was on Wicklow Brave or he'll be suicidal.

uxiant

Apart from his Irish Leger win where he ran to an RPR of 125 Order Of St George hasn't really done much at all including when beating a poor bunch of stayers in the Gold Cup. That 11L win last year is starting to look a bit of an anomaly and although that wasn't Ryan's finest hour maybe he's just not as good as people make him out to be. No wonder Aidan never dropped him to 12f and looked towards the Arc. He'd get stuffed.

BorneTobyWilde

Jolie Yellow Wisdom wrote: »

Madam Prancealot in this, for no other reason that's it's 100/1.
A 4th place will do, to boost the daily e/w accumulator.
A big field so just a sprinkle of a few cautious pennies.

Yea
I like LetMeStopYouRightThere at 40-1 too
Has potential. I hope I don't regret not going for it.

HarshOstrich

Terrible ride from Colin keane
Best horse in the race and he holds him up behind 28 horses

BorneTobyWilde

Not a place.

BorneTobyWilde

Castle Guest 20-1 5.55

Like this in last

2pts win 20-1

4068ac1elhodqr

Jolie Yellow Wisdom wrote: »

Madam Prancealot in this, for no other reason that's it's 100/1. A 4th place will do, to boost the daily e/w accumulator. A big field so just a sprinkle of a few cautious pennies.

Thought it came 4th, but it was the other Madam 'Bounska' 66/1 that came 4th instead.
Ah well time to look at the golf instead to see if anyone can knock DJ off the top of the leaderboard.

Jake Stiles

Wicklow Brave (gelding, above average national hunt horse) at 7 wins a classic.

4 runners also - poor turnout.

longshotvalue

akelly02 wrote: »

Ryan moore absolute awful on order of st george there, wow.

I wouldnt really agree there, i was away and missed all the racing, but after watching that , moore was only 3 lengths down and started his run. The horse just wasnt as good as he would have expected, and frankie had left enough on wicklow brave for a nice burst of speed 2 out.

Wicklow has his best trip there for sure and probably improved for front running, but if Order was the horse we though he was hed be winning easily from that position.

kfallon

aidankkk wrote: »

I wouldnt really agree there, i was away and missed all the racing, but after watching that , moore was only 3 lengths down and started his run. The horse just wasnt as good as he would have expected, and frankie had left enough on wicklow brave for a nice burst of speed 2 out.

Wicklow has his best trip there for sure and probably improved for front running, but if Order was the horse we though he was hed be winning easily from that position.

Yeah OOSG looked a bit of a dodgepot in the last few furlongs, looked to me like he was trying to lug in behind the winner on a couple of occasions. Wasn't there a strong headwind in the home straight, maybe that was the reason for him doing it? Never saw it before from the horse.

ziggy

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Kauto

ziggy wrote: »

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No its not a classic and shouldn't be referred to as such.

tryfix

kfallon wrote: »

Yeah OOSG looked a bit of a dodgepot in the last few furlongs, looked to me like he was trying to lug in behind the winner on a couple of occasions. Wasn't there a strong headwind in the home straight, maybe that was the reason for him doing it? Never saw it before from the horse.

The horse and jockey combination were fighting each other for a fair bit towards the end of the race, I thought it was the horse in the earlier part of the end of the race but near the end it looked like Moore deliberately lugged in behind the winner looking for a non existent gap or to slipstream the other horse with no time left that would justify such a move. Then when Moore got the horse out again OOSG only got going as the line was approaching. While it looked like OOSG was well beaten he was in fact only beaten by a rapidly diminishing 1/2L. OOSG would most likely have won yesterday if Moore had been strong enough? or willing to drive the horse straight to the line instead of letting or lugging him in behind the other horse

The horse was beaten by his own teams tactics. Firstly in a race that had cut up really badly they withdrew the pacemakers leaving their star stayer vulnerable to a clever tactical ride by one of his rivals in a 4 horse race and they don't come any cleverer tactically than Frankie Dettori. Secondly the jockey rode OOSG like he was a non stayer ( held up ) when the horse had won the race last year by grinding his rivals into submission from the front from 3 furlongs out.

'Twas shocking arrogance from team Coolmore to leave their star ( 124 OR ) horses reputation in a 4 horse race in the hands of a jockey who's proven himself to be tactically inept this year, all the while Bondi Beach ( a horse who had a Leger in the bag last year ) was left out the back and out of this prestigious race to chase around the sharper 12f horses at Leopardstown for a winning prize that was worth considerably less than even 2nd in the Irish St Leger was worth.

They've destroyed OOSG's reputation as a theoretical ( overblown ) match for the likes of the Arc horses and damaged his stud value, all through crap planning and belief in a seriously suspect jockey tactics and health wise.

Wicklow Brave

Zhukova and Intricately both winning over the weekend. Fastnet Rock x Galileo proving to be very successful. Thoughts?

tryfix

Wicklow Brave wrote: »

Zhukova and Intricately both winning over the weekend. Fastnet Rock x Galileo proving to be very successful. Thoughts?

The nick has produced 2 Gp 1 winners ( Qualify and Intricately ) and the promising Gp2 winning juvenile Rivet. That ability to produce top 2yos and Classic horses would suit Coolmore and their legion of Galileo broodmares very well. If you look at Zhukova she's very much like a Dubawi, didn't run till 3 and has kept progressing through the ranks. The likes of her and most of the Dubawi's we've seen are not exactly the types that Coolmore want to produce for their stallion farms but who could turn down such fine animals.

Hopefully we'll see plenty of the better Coolmore mares heading Fastnet Rock's way, the stallion deserves that kind of support. He's a little like his own sire Danehill in his final years at Coolmore when he was churning out middle distance types rather than the speedy 2yos of his early days.

Just to add, ye can seemingly cross Galileo with anything and get good results. Yesterday an inbreeding experiment called Musaanada ( by Sea The Stars x Gaze ( Galileo ) won a 12f race on the all weather on his debut.


Hope you don't mind, I'm going to cross post this reply on the Stallions thread to breathe a little life into that thread.

Lt Dan

tryfix wrote: »

The horse and jockey combination were fighting each other for a fair bit towards the end of the race, I thought it was the horse in the earlier part of the end of the race but near the end it looked like Moore deliberately lugged in behind the winner looking for a non existent gap or to slipstream the other horse with no time left that would justify such a move. Then when Moore got the horse out again OOSG only got going as the line was approaching. While it looked like OOSG was well beaten he was in fact only beaten by a rapidly diminishing 1/2L. OOSG would most likely have won yesterday if Moore had been strong enough? or willing to drive the horse straight to the line instead of letting or lugging him in behind the other horse

The horse was beaten by his own teams tactics. Firstly in a race that had cut up really badly they withdrew the pacemakers leaving their star stayer vulnerable to a clever tactical ride by one of his rivals in a 4 horse race and they don't come any cleverer tactically than Frankie Dettori. Secondly the jockey rode OOSG like he was a non stayer ( held up ) when the horse had won the race last year by grinding his rivals into submission from the front from 3 furlongs out.

'Twas shocking arrogance from team Coolmore to leave their star ( 124 OR ) horses reputation in a 4 horse race in the hands of a jockey who's proven himself to be tactically inept this year, all the while Bondi Beach ( a horse who had a Leger in the bag last year ) was left out the back and out of this prestigious race to chase around the sharper 12f horses at Leopardstown for a winning prize that was worth considerably less than even 2nd in the Irish St Leger was worth.

They've destroyed OOSG's reputation as a theoretical ( overblown ) match for the likes of the Arc horses and damaged his stud value, all through crap planning and belief in a seriously suspect jockey tactics and health wise.

Anyone at the Parade ring before the races. The experts were saying before the race how OSG would win doing handstands - despite Ascot Gold Cup winners of that year having a shoddy enough history in the race, Yeats included. They were more interested in talking about him going to the Arc and, lol, doing it in Melbourne where he was definitely down for top weight (few ever win it with top weight) and potential good - good to firm ground.

While I always feel that there is a bit of a curse in winning the Gold Cup and then running in something like the Goodwood, Donny or Yorkshire Cups and/or St Leger, in fairness, light Leading Light , OSG had no problems winning the Group 3 prep race for the St Leger. As you alluded to, OSG was definitely coming fast near the end, I thought he had Wicklow Brave. Not sure did the wind , and there was one, blowing into them, harmed him. Seemed a good day for front running as Pat Smullen showed earlier in the Blandford

Doesn't O'Brien tell his jockeys how he wants them ran?

tryfix

Lt Dan wrote: »

Anyone at the Parade ring before the races. The experts were saying before the race how OSG would win doing handstands - despite Ascot Gold Cup winners of that year having a shoddy enough history in the race, Yeats included. They were more interested in talking about him going to the Arc and, lol, doing it in Melbourne where he was definitely down for top weight (few ever win it with top weight) and potential good - good to firm ground.

While I always feel that there is a bit of a curse in winning the Gold Cup and then running in something like the Goodwood, Donny or Yorkshire Cups and/or St Leger, in fairness, light Leading Light , OSG had no problems winning the Group 3 prep race for the St Leger. As you alluded to, OSG was definitely coming fast near the end, I thought he had Wicklow Brave. Not sure did the wind , and there was one, blowing into them, harmed him. Seemed a good day for front running as Pat Smullen showed earlier in the Blandford

Doesn't O'Brien tell his jockeys how he wants them ran?

IIRC O'Brien's staying hotpots have had a terrible record in the Irish Leger it's just one of those races that's very difficult to take. Probably the fall down factor is that it's a 1m 6f race that Ascot Gold Cup 2m 4f type horses are expected to win with ease.

OOSG ain't as pacey as a 4yo as he was as a 3yo, or maybe he's been ridden like he's a classy 12f horse who's arsing around with vastly inferior opponents. You don't really instruct a rider like Moore on how to ride a horse he's very well acquainted with, you just let him at with broad instructions like settle him in behind and take it from there as the race progresses. Besides that, it wasn't only jockey error that beat the horse, team Coolmore let the horse compete in a notoriously tricky race with just 3 opponents and no pacemaker when they'd an army of suitable pacemakers available to them who'd have earned a nice little crust for finishing last in that tiny field.

Lt Dan

tryfix wrote: »

IIRC O'Brien's staying hotpots have had a terrible record in the Irish Leger it's just one of those races that's very difficult to take. Probably the fall down factor is that it's a 1m 6f race that Ascot Gold Cup 2m 4f type horses are expected to win with ease.

OOSG ain't as pacey as a 4yo as he was as a 3yo, or maybe he's been ridden like he's a classy 12f horse who's arsing around with vastly inferior opponents. You don't really instruct a rider like Moore on how to ride a horse he's very well acquainted with, you just let him at with broad instructions like settle him in behind and take it from there as the race progresses. Besides that, it wasn't only jockey error that beat the horse, team Coolmore let the horse compete in a notoriously tricky race with just 3 opponents and no pacemaker when they'd an army of suitable pacemakers available to them who'd have earned a nice little crust for finishing last in that tiny field.

I can not disagree,but being pedantic, that was only Moore's second time to ride him in a race. He must be still injured too , could only explain the finish. People like yourself correctly alluded to the inability to understand by a stayer like Bondi Beach was not allowed to run in this, even on his own merits not to mention a pace maker that they clearly have little use for in the future. Are Coolmore really that arrogant?

tryfix

Lt Dan wrote: »

I can not disagree,but being pedantic, that was only Moore's second time to ride him in a race. He must be still injured too , could only explain the finish. People like yourself correctly alluded to the inability to understand by a stayer like Bondi Beach was not allowed to run in this, even on his own merits not to mention a pace maker that they clearly have little use for in the future. Are Coolmore really that arrogant?

That was Moore's third time to ride him, he also was beaten over course and distance on him by Bondi Beach in June 2015 before the horse went on a 6 race winning spree before Moore lost again over course and distance on Sunday.

Coolmore tend to run only one horse when they're super confident of winning, guess they were too super confident to realise that OOSG ain't Pegasus.

Lt Dan

tryfix wrote: »

That was Moore's third time to ride him, he also was beaten over course and distance on him by Bondi Beach in June 2015 before the horse went on a 6 race winning spree before Moore lost again over course and distance on Sunday.

Coolmore tend to run only one horse when they're super confident of winning, guess they were too super confident to realise that OOSG ain't Pegasus.

How right you are, Father. Forgive me!