Up-and-coming areas of Dublin?

Floodzie

Has anyone any opinions on what the latest property hot-spots in Dublin will be?

I'll start:

Northside - Phibsborough. The area around the Blessington Basin has lots of nice red-bricks, and when they finally knock down the shopping centre the place will look a lot prettier. Also, the new Luas line seems to be adding value to houses already, even before it's operational.

North Circular Road. Beautiful old houses, will we start to see them converted back from bedists/flats to single family homes? Reminds me of areas around Rathmines and Portobello in the 1980s.

Southside - Inchicore, especially closer to Kilmainham. The Dart Underground (and its Inchicore stop) have been shelved, but the Eastern part is still walking/cycling distance to the city, and nearby Kilmainham is looking great these days. Still lots of cheap places for sale closer to the village.

Thomas Street/Meath Street/Francis St - a bit of a punt, but the area is looking a bit more hipster these days, while still retaining it's authentic Dublin vibe (for better or worse - I make no judgement! :-) )

I would also take a punt on Rialto, the Dolphin flats are an eyesore but when they are inevitably improved it could add a lot of value to the area. Rialto is also looking a bit better these days anyway, a bit of a spillover from Kilmainham, perhaps?

asteroids over berlin

Nutgrove is a bit of a bargain,some ex council estates in a fantastic location, will only go higher through the next decade or so.

Same goes for Killester & parts of Artane, Phibsborough

Hollister11

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

Theboinkmaster

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Nutgrove is a bit of a bargain,some ex council estates in a fantastic location, will only go higher through the next decade or so.

Same goes for Killester & parts of Artane, Phibsborough

Agreed on nutgrove

Michael D Not Higgins

Hollister11 wrote: »

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

That would take a lot of investment. It's a pre-63 which would need converting if you wanted to live there and there's no interior shots so I can only imagine it's pretty bad inside. Bags of potential though.

Floodzie

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Hollister11 wrote: »

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

That would take a lot of investment. It's a pre-63 which would need converting if you wanted to live there and there's no interior shots so I can only imagine it's pretty bad inside. Bags of potential though.

Yes indeed - but at that price, plus another 150-200, and you could have a spectacular house. I'm extremely bullish on the NCR - period houses within walking/cycling distance of the city centre are very attractive. A lot of older houses on the Southside sold off their gardens for mews and other developments, but the front gardens are still ample enough, and these houses are fetching very high prices. I would take a bet that the same will happen on the Northside.

A solicitor friend of mine moved her business to Inchicore last year. She tells me there was talk then of the place becoming 'the new Ranelagh'. Not sure I'd go quite that far - but the red-bricks, the small village and the proximity to town make me think the place has bags of potential. And if the Dart Underground ever gets back on track (pun!) then it could even do for Inchicore what the Luas has done for Ranelagh.

Floodzie

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Nutgrove is a bit of a bargain,some ex council estates in a fantastic location, will only go higher through the next decade or so.

Same goes for Killester & parts of Artane, Phibsborough

Out of interest, how long after a house is bought off the council is it normally put on the open market? As far as I know there is a claw-back clause for any discounts granted during the repayment period, so about 20 years?

Michael D Not Higgins

The problem with that house on the NCR is the proximity to Croker. It'd be grand most of the time though.

Inchicore, definitely. I used to work there years ago and while it is a bit rough around the edges, there's loads of nice spots.

mel123

Hollister11 wrote: »

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

Id consider that a steal if you wanted to buy something to rent out.
Actually even if you had the money to do it up, still a steal IMO.

Michael D Not Higgins

mel123 wrote: »

Id consider that a steal if you wanted to buy something to rent out.
Actually even if you had the money to do it up, still a steal IMO.

If there's a two bed for 1200/month and two 1 beds at 1000/month (estimating low). That's a potential return of 16%. That's enormous.

Floodzie

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

The problem with that house on the NCR is the proximity to Croker. It'd be grand most of the time though.

Yes indeed - and look at the prices of houses near Landsdowne Road (I refuse to call it anything else! :-) ), they just keep going up and up. Even Garth Brooks wouldn't stop it!

Floodzie

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Inchicore, definitely. I used to work there years ago and while it is a bit rough around the edges, there's loads of nice spots.

The regeneration (removal?) of St Michael's Estate seems to have helped. I know a guy who lived there for 8 years, but moved out 2 years ago. He wasn't a fan of the place but just seems to have just missed the start of a possible transformation.

SarahMollie

I'd certainly be tempted to take a punt on parts of East Wall (as well as probably any of the areas above)

The only one that wouldnt appeal to me would be Nutgrove. Its alright, but I'm not sure the value there is spectacular. If I was taking a punt, I'd rather take a punt closer to the city center than Rathfarnham/Churchtown.

Floodzie

SarahMollie wrote: »

I'd certainly be tempted to take a punt on parts of East Wall (as well as probably any of the areas above)

The only one that wouldnt appeal to me would be Nutgrove. Its alright, but I'm not sure the value there is spectacular. If I was taking a punt, I'd rather take a punt closer to the city center than Rathfarnham/Churchtown.

Nutgrove is a bit suburban looking for my tastes. I think walking/cycling into the city in 15 mins or less is important. East Wall is definitely up and coming - the proximity to the IFSC helps.

whiskeyman

The way I'd look it it, if a place isn't currently showing any signs of regeneration / growth now, it hasn't much of a hope.
We're in one of the worst housing crisis in a long time, so areas should be making the most of it if there's any stock out there at all.

Pepe LeFrits

Hollister11 wrote: »

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

Potential alright, wrong end of North Circular Road for me though. With O'Devaney being redeveloped I think the west end of the road could be great. Quite a few of the houses around there have been redeveloped already.

... doubt I'll ever be able to afford one, mind.

Pepe LeFrits

Oh, and as far as up and coming - Stoneybatter/Smithfield/Grangegorman. DIT & the Luas coming.

gmisk

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Oh, and as far as up and coming - Stoneybatter/Smithfield/Grangegorman. DIT & the Luas coming.

I think those areas have already come up tbh given the prices... Stoneybatter especially. The houses are generally tiny. I would agree RE inchicore I bought about a year ago, houses in worse condition going for over 30/40k more than I paid. I find it safe and quiet, union 8 in kilmainham has a good buzz, imma is terrific, close to phoenix park and great transport links.

Floodzie

gmisk wrote: »

union 8 in kilmainham has a good buzz, imma is terrific, close to phoenix park and great transport links.

All the best parts of Inchicore are in Kilmainham! :-)

SarahMollie

Floodzie wrote: »

Nutgrove is a bit suburban looking for my tastes. I think walking/cycling into the city in 15 mins or less is important. East Wall is definitely up and coming - the proximity to the IFSC helps.

Exactly, I think a good few of the areas mentioned have already "come up" so to speak. For example, I can't see much more out of Stoneybatter above the market rate. Once a place is full of trendy coffee shops and neighbourhood resturants, then its job done IMO.

East Wall doesnt yet have a hipster scene or much regeneration (that I know of) but I think purely because of its location that it will improve eventually.

Floodzie

SarahMollie wrote: »

Exactly, I think a good few of the areas mentioned have already "come up" so to speak. For example, I can't see much more out of Stoneybatter above the market rate. Once a place is full of trendy coffee shops and neighbourhood resturants, then its job done IMO.

Yes indeed, in Stoneybatter the houses are quite small and I don't see too many people ever paying over 350k for a 2-bed house with a small garden and no off-street parking, even if they are done up to an extremely high standard.

SarahMollie wrote: »

East Wall doesnt yet have a hipster scene or much regeneration (that I know of) but I think purely because of its location that it will improve eventually.

A completely un-scientific observation of mine regarding population change of an up-and-coming area is: Working class and students only, Gays move in, then Hipsters, Yuppies/childless couples, Families, finally Unaffordable :-)

Michael D Not Higgins

I always felt East Wall was isolated due to the surrounding of it by railway tracks and few interconnecting roads. This could be a good or bad thing in the future. It could protect the roads from through traffic (away from the Port Tunnel of course) but it can also make the place feel cut-off from the city.

For example if you image the Docklands station wasn't there along with the other bit of track surrounding the southern side of East Wall, it would have long since had some regeneration from the IFSC/North Wall/Point redevelopment. Not sure how this will affect it in the future though.

gmisk

Floodzie wrote: »

All the best parts of Inchicore are in Kilmainham! :-)

Ha I suppose a lot of them are...but all close together.
Inchicore has errr a Tesco...and enoteca

Floodzie

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

I always felt East Wall was isolated due to the surrounding of it by railway tracks and few interconnecting roads. This could be a good or bad thing in the future. It could protect the roads from through traffic (away from the Port Tunnel of course) but it can also make the place feel cut-off from the city.

For example if you image the Docklands station wasn't there along with the other bit of track surrounding the southern side of East Wall, it would have long since had some regeneration from the IFSC/North Wall/Point redevelopment. Not sure how this will affect it in the future though.

I think the main problem with East Wall is that's it's associated with rail and car traffic - for a lot of people it's a place you pass through. Rightly or wrongly it's not somewhere you associate with green spaces and families, or a nice main street with trendy cafes. It could actually have all of those things with the right vision. In fact, it's proximity to town and the IFSC makes it an inevitability, IMO, which is why it's worth a punt. A good pedestrian and cycle link (away from busy roads) could be the kick-start the area needs.

Floodzie

gmisk wrote: »

Ha I suppose a lot of them are...but all close together.
Inchicore has errr a Tesco...and enoteca

Inchicore will change - mark my words!

One of the nicest parts of Kilmainham is actually Inchicore Road, and one of the nicest parts of Inchicore is the Eastern part of Emmet Road, which actually looks like it's part of Kilmainham! :-)

Pepe LeFrits

SarahMollie wrote: »

Exactly, I think a good few of the areas mentioned have already "come up" so to speak. For example, I can't see much more out of Stoneybatter above the market rate. Once a place is full of trendy coffee shops and neighbourhood resturants, then its job done IMO.

East Wall doesnt yet have a hipster scene or much regeneration (that I know of) but I think purely because of its location that it will improve eventually.

Well I guess it depends on what you consider 'up'. Stoneybatter has its fair share of coffee shops and tattoo places but it's not exactly Ranelagh either.

SarahMollie

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Well I guess it depends on what you consider 'up'. Stoneybatter has its fair share of coffee shops and tattoo places but it's not exactly Ranelagh either.

Yes, but not everywhere can/will become a Ranelagh.

Ranelagh is great, but the city likely couldnt sustain many multiple Ranelaghs around the place.

Stoneybatter was very working class and quite run down. Its now quite gentrified with a definite hipster tone, and property prices to match. I really don't see it needing to become another Ranelagh in order to say its come up in the world.

I think the whole point of this thread is to identify parts of town where people could buy a property relatively cheaply that might appreciate in value due to the area improving. Stoneybatter has already improved drastically and there isnt the same value to be had there as there once was. People have already made their money there and moved on.

Floodzie

SarahMollie wrote: »

Yes, but not everywhere can/will become a Ranelagh.

Ranelagh is great, but the city likely couldnt sustain many multiple Ranelaghs around the place.

Stoneybatter was very working class and quite run down. Its now quite gentrified with a definite hipster tone, and property prices to match. I really don't see it needing to become another Ranelagh in order to say its come up in the world.

I think the whole point of this thread is to identify parts of town where people could buy a property relatively cheaply that might appreciate in value due to the area improving. Stoneybatter has already improved drastically and there isnt the same value to be had there as there once was. People have already made their money there and moved on.

For my money, I still say Inchicore (village end, but Kilmainham side), Phibsborough (might have missed the boat on that one already though) and East Wall

Pepe LeFrits

SarahMollie wrote: »

Stoneybatter has already improved drastically and there isnt the same value to be had there as there once was. People have already made their money there and moved on.

Well again, it's a matter of degrees. One of the cottages on my street just went for I believe nearly 30% more than what I paid for mine 12 months ago (though it's in somewhat better condition). This is despite there being at least a half dozen derelict houses on the street and a bunch more around Grangegorman. Plus only a fraction of the DIT campus has opened so far (and the LUAS hasn't).

H3llR4iser

One of the mysteries of Dublin's outskirts has to be Clongriffin...I've been renting there for about a year now, no problem whatsoever, decently connected with the DART station and the 15 bus (well, not today but generally...). Roads network also favourable, driving into the city takes less than 20 minutes without traffic, M50 / Belfast motorway within reach, shopping centers et cetera.

Yet, although in these 12 months I've seen a definite increase in population (way less "dark windows" at night, more people on the DART platform in the morning), the commercial facilities there do not take off - there's an entire supermarket/small shopping centre that sits empty. Surely a Tesco / Lidl / Aldi / Supervalu would catch the entire area as a customer base?

What do you reckon? It's one of the few areas where property is still relatively affordable for a single persone (well, apartments at least).

Hollister11

H3llR4iser wrote: »

One of the mysteries of Dublin's outskirts has to be Clongriffin...I've been renting there for about a year now, no problem whatsoever, decently connected with the DART station and the 15 bus (well, not today but generally...). Roads network also favourable, driving into the city takes less than 20 minutes without traffic, M50 / Belfast motorway within reach, shopping centers et cetera.

Yet, although in these 12 months I've seen a definite increase in population (way less "dark windows" at night, more people on the DART platform in the morning), the commercial facilities there do not take off - there's an entire supermarket/small shopping centre that sits empty. Surely a Tesco / Lidl / Aldi / Supervalu would catch the entire area as a customer base?

What do you reckon? It's one of the few areas where property is still relatively affordable for a single persone (well, apartments at least).

Yes clongriffin is good value for money, I know it well. I think the reason the property prices there aren't outrages is because the properties had pyrite (all sorted now) and that sticks. So when people are researching the area, they google 'clongriffin' they will get articles to do with pyrite, and possibly put off the purchase.

pandoraj09

Carrickmines/Cherrywood have both been developing a lot over the last 5 years. Massive redevelopment happening in Cherrywood over the next few years too. Both on the Luas line into town. Carrickmines still has plenty of green space, but has so many amenities on your doorstep compared to what it used to have. Also Stepaside area. 6 new schools opened in the last year alone in these areas and more on the way...

H3llR4iser

Hollister11 wrote: »

Yes clongriffin is good value for money, I know it well. I think the reason the property prices there aren't outrages is because the properties had pyrite (all sorted now) and that sticks. So when people are researching the area, they google 'clongriffin' they will get articles to do with pyrite, and possibly put off the purchase.

Yeah I get it - I've often been surprised about how many native Dubliners don't even know where Clongriffin is; The ones who do, immediately go "ah, where the pyrite scandal happened!". In those regards, it might be interesting to see what happens when the redeveloped Priory Hall will be completed.

asteroids over berlin

pandoraj09 wrote: »

Carrickmines/Cherrywood have both been developing a lot over the last 5 years. Massive redevelopment happening in Cherrywood over the next few years too. Both on the Luas line into town. Carrickmines still has plenty of green space, but has so many amenities on your doorstep compared to what it used to have. Also Stepaside area. 6 new schools opened in the last year alone in these areas and more on the way...

Disagree, a bit too far out and quite cold and windy for most of the year as you are on the doorstep of the Dublin mountains etc, personally i would avoid regardless of redevelopment. Stepaside is ok though - cold though

asteroids over berlin

Floodzie wrote: »

Out of interest, how long after a house is bought off the council is it normally put on the open market? As far as I know there is a claw-back clause for any discounts granted during the repayment period, so about 20 years?

Unsure but i know a lot of these estates are from lates 60's/70's and are long gone private etc, although there are always a handful of houses where the tenants never bothered buying and rent to this day or have moved on, i think the council just sells them off then.

asteroids over berlin

Raheny is not bad although perhaps the house prices have risen a good bit above bargain levels

con1982

Hollister11 wrote: »

North Circular Road 4 bed house 240K

http://www.daft.ie/11303021

That's beside Summerhill. Seriously dodgy area.

Teyla Emmagan

pandoraj09 wrote: »

Carrickmines/Cherrywood have both been developing a lot over the last 5 years. Massive redevelopment happening in Cherrywood over the next few years too. Both on the Luas line into town. Carrickmines still has plenty of green space, but has so many amenities on your doorstep compared to what it used to have. Also Stepaside area. 6 new schools opened in the last year alone in these areas and more on the way...

So boring though. And very 'new'. Personally new places do nothing for me. Stepaside is becoming a ghetto for people who would have liked to live in Rathfarnham. The average population age must be about 6.

Nutgrove a good location but parts of it have quite a bad element still. And there's no 'village'. I like an auld village myself. The SC does not count (it's actually a great SC, but it doesn't beat somewhere with a few restaurants). But it is good value for money.

East Wall fantastic IN THEORY. Would be amazing if you could get some of the more criminally oriented locals to move out.

I also think Clongriffin is the way to go. That supermarket will be open in no time. You're on the DART. It's all owner occupiers (I think). You're laughing.

Inchicore also definitely worth a punt. Especially if that '5 types of takeaway' takeaway is still open. There aren't many of those on the go!

Shint0

con1982 wrote: »

That's beside Summerhill. Seriously dodgy area.

It could also be a real money pit as well to bring it up to standard. Some of the estimates on costs here might be conservative as who knows what condition it's in. Good thread all the same.

Hollister11

Independent posted a article on property hot spots

http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/revealed-the-property-hotspots-that-should-be-on-house-hunters-radars-35037570.html

Phibsborough is on it.

Kings Inns or bust

I looked at a place in Summerhill, the houses are huge. You'd be looking at hundreds of thousands in costs though to bring the houses up to standard. You'd then have a huge, nice house in a very dodgey area. Wasn't there a B&B there that was sold recently enough? They were looking for mad money for it, but it was an example of the potential those houses have.

LG1234

Everyone always says inchicore, people have been saying it for years. I just moved out after three years, its an absolute kip. Break ins, feral kids, non stop hassle in the spar from some of the locals. So glad to be gone from there, I've lived in Dublin all my life and never had the hassle I did in inchicore.

Floodzie

Floodzie wrote: »

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I would also take a punt on Rialto, the Dolphin flats are an eyesore but when they are inevitably improved it could add a lot of value to the area. Rialto is also looking a bit better these days anyway, a bit of a spillover from Kilmainham, perhaps?

I reckon you're not far off the mark here.
There's some lovely properties in the area already so it would be no surprise to see some of the more run down ones being improved.

Problem is property in Rialto is already less than cheap...
http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/rialto/18-longs-place-rialto-dublin-1261016/

http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/rialto/131-herberton-road-rialto-dublin-1190763/

You'd want to be getting a "in need of modernising" one for under €200k really and maybe those days are gone if turnkey ish ones are asking what the two linked are.

asteroids over berlin

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

So boring though. And very 'new'. Personally new places do nothing for me. Stepaside is becoming a ghetto for people who would have liked to live in Rathfarnham. The average population age must be about 6.

Nutgrove a good location but parts of it have quite a bad element still. And there's no 'village'. I like an auld village myself. The SC does not count (it's actually a great SC, but it doesn't beat somewhere with a few restaurants). But it is good value for money.

East Wall fantastic IN THEORY. Would be amazing if you could get some of the more criminally oriented locals to move out.

I also think Clongriffin is the way to go. That supermarket will be open in no time. You're on the DART. It's all owner occupiers (I think). You're laughing.

Inchicore also definitely worth a punt. Especially if that '5 types of takeaway' takeaway is still open. There aren't many of those on the go!

Stepaside!!! 100 % disagree, it is nice and quite upmarket, no bargains to be had there though

Nutgrove - no bad element(s) in it these days - i know as we purchased in mountain view a couple of years ago and are very happy, it is very quiet and actually developing into a great area with lots of young professional types buying. I have rarely seen the police in the area, there is no need! So i strongly disagree with your point. Even the few neighbours who are here years said it wasnt even that bad back in the day, a few bad apples but the area got a bad name in the early 80s due to a major drug dealer who lived there. Anyway i won't go on....great investment with the location/amenities, travel options etc

Inchicore - indeed some good areas, however anywhere near the flats i would avoid (personally)

Clongriffin - yeah close to the beach/malahide, still kinda feels a bit in the middle of nowehere vibe though, not bad, but still not a place i would buy (at the moment)
East wall - not the best family area but again you are fixated somewhat in the past, some characters arounnd but in general it is grand, i work in the IFSC and my gym is in Clontarf, this area has drastically improved in the last decade, enormous improvement even. Heavy traffic though

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Not too sure on inchicore. Stay with a friend of mine there on a semi regular basis. Lots of abuse from junkies, actually got punched in the head by some auld one off her head when I refused to give her money.

thierry14

D15/Clonee/Hollystown area is seeing lots of development, great job prospects, Facebook huge new site, lots of pharma, warehouses going up.

If I had money I would be buying there

Will be huge demand for rental accomadation

Teyla Emmagan

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Stepaside!!! 100 % disagree, it is nice and quite upmarket, no bargains to be had there though

That was a joke, I meant it's like a ghetto for middle class people.

It was probably a bad joke alright.

Think I've gone off Inchicore after reading a few more comments. I am holding my ground on East Wall though.

asteroids over berlin

thierry14 wrote: »

D15/Clonee/Hollystown area is seeing lots of development, great job prospects, Facebook huge new site, lots of pharma, warehouses going up.

If I had money I would be buying there

Will be huge demand for rental accomadation

Clonee is saturated, somewhat of a megatown in it s own right these days. Indeed good rental potential though

Nutser

What is the general feeling about ballybough as an up and coming area?

Harvey Normal

thierry14 wrote: »

D15/Clonee/Hollystown area is seeing lots of development, great job prospects, Facebook huge new site, lots of pharma, warehouses going up.

If I had money I would be buying there

Will be huge demand for rental accomadation

Well the city will probably have to expand in that direction.

But Facebook are in the city centre.

Kings Inns or bust

Nutser wrote: »

What is the general feeling about ballybough as an up and coming area?

Nope.

It's one of the areas in Dublin where the social issues are so ingrained it's likely not going to change much over the next 50 years or so. There will always be these small pockets and Ballybough is one.

It did look like for a while something was going to happen with the area being redeveloped but it's looks to have been scaled back.

That's not to say the vast majority of people there aren't grand.