Got hit by a cyclist, then he wanted to fight

vg88

So i was walking down a foot path today and got hit by a well built man on a push bike, not someone you'd want to fight. After he hit me he stopped 5 seconds later to shout at me what i was doing walking down a path. After I suggested there was a well built cycle lane beside us he got off his bike and tried to fight me, to which i talked my way out of as I was not looking to fight anyone.

When I cycle i always stop at every red light and never go on a path. I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

mrcheez

Came across a car yesterday that beeped me because he didn't like that I was in front of him while on the bike, then scraped by me and tried to knock me off by sharply turning left and breaking suddenly a few times.

If I'd chased after him to get a visual of his face (for my camera y'see, I video-d the whole thing as per normal) probably would have ended up in a fight.

To be honest I used to get bothered by that, but just water off a duck's back at this stage. People be stressing too much

Lumen

I can believe the well-built man, but a well-built cycle lane?

Shenanigans!

StevieGriff

moloner4 wrote: »

So i was walking down a foot path today and got hit by a well built man on a push bike, not someone you'd want to fight. After he hit me he stopped 5 seconds later to shout at me what i was doing walking down a path. After I suggested there was a well built cycle lane beside us he got off his bike and tried to fight me, to which i talked my way out of as I was not looking to fight anyone.

When I cycle i always stop at every red light and never go on a path. I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

I come across assh*les all the time, not just on bicycles or in cars if that's what you're wondering.
In other news, water...wet. :P

2RockMountain

moloner4 wrote: »

So i was walking down a foot path today and got hit by a well built man on a push bike, not someone you'd want to fight. After he hit me he stopped 5 seconds later to shout at me what i was doing walking down a path. After I suggested there was a well built cycle lane beside us he got off his bike and tried to fight me, to which i talked my way out of as I was not looking to fight anyone.

When I cycle i always stop at every red light and never go on a path. I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

Where is this 'well built cycle lane'?

Dermot Illogical

One time I had a similar experience. I nearly dropped my kebab.

moloner4 wrote: »

I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

bazermc

2RockMountain wrote: »

Where is this 'well built cycle lane'?

Its beside the footpad

Saipanne

moloner4 wrote: »

So i was walking down a foot path today and got hit by a well built man on a push bike, not someone you'd want to fight. After he hit me he stopped 5 seconds later to shout at me what i was doing walking down a path. After I suggested there was a well built cycle lane beside us he got off his bike and tried to fight me, to which i talked my way out of as I was not looking to fight anyone.

When I cycle i always stop at every red light and never go on a path. I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

I used to walk to work across the city centre. I saw stuff like that constantly. I even had a cyclist confront me for him hitting me with his bike on a footpath. Thankfully I'm more than able to throw a punch. It's the only thing these people understand.

meme74

I recently got verbally abused by a man on a motorbike (not a cyclist I know but still shocked by his attitude!) After turning left from a one lane road onto a 2 lane road (I was behind him in my car) he took the outside lane which was to go straight ahead, I took the inside lane which is to turn right. He then decided he was in the wrong lane and went to swerve into my lane. He got irate that I drove past him (very slowly I will add) and had he swerved fully into my lane, would have hit him. He was in the wrong for taking the wrong lane and swerving into the other lane but yet he pulls up beside me bangs on my window and proceeds to shout profanities at me telling me that I could have killed him and telling me over and over to "go F"ck yourself". Very frightening for a girl in the car on her own and I was really shook by his aggressiveness.

Anyway point im trying to make is nobody owns the roads or footpaths, not cars, not motorbikes, not cyclists, not pedestrians and everyone has a duty of care to everyone else in some way or another. Peoples attitudes, such as the attitude of your cyclist, can be appalling and people need to stop thinking it is ok to verbally abuse people in situations like this. They do not own the roads/footpaths and shouldn't behave like they do.

Trojan

Tell him you'll meet him behind the bike shed after school.

The_Valeyard

mrcheez wrote: »

Came across a car yesterday that beeped me because he didn't like that I was in front of him while on the bike, then scraped by me and tried to knock me off by sharply turning left and breaking suddenly a few times.

If I'd chased after him to get a visual of his face (for my camera y'see, I video-d the whole thing as per normal) probably would have ended up in a fight.

To be honest I used to get bothered by that, but just water off a duck's back at this stage. People be stressing too much

This wasn't on the back roads by castleknock college?

rtmie

Saipanne wrote: »

moloner4 wrote: »

So i was walking down a foot path today and got hit by a well built man on a push bike, not someone you'd want to fight. After he hit me he stopped 5 seconds later to shout at me what i was doing walking down a path. After I suggested there was a well built cycle lane beside us he got off his bike and tried to fight me, to which i talked my way out of as I was not looking to fight anyone.

When I cycle i always stop at every red light and never go on a path. I'm wondering how often do you come across people like this when you're on your bike or walking?

I used to walk to work across the city centre. I saw stuff like that constantly. I even had a cyclist confront me for him hitting me with his bike on a footpath. Thankfully I'm more than able to throw a punch. It's the only thing these people understand.

I cycle to work a couple of times a week,most weeks, other days I take the bus and I sometimes drive. I also walk, cycle and drive to places outside of work times. In general I find people to be reasonable but sometimes some people are agressive, rude, inconsiderate.

So I am not sure who the "these people" who only understand being punched are. All peole who cycle bikes, or all people who are agressive? I assume if you are the view the only thing people understand is being punched you may not have a fundamental problem with people being agressive.

For me, I understand the purpose of this forum is for people who are enthusiasts about cycling to have (possibly boring and nerdy) conversations about the benefit of one type of inner tube over another and such like. I don't think it is meant as a corporate body who must issue apology anytime someone acts like a dick whilst in possession of a bicycle.

Saipanne

I suppose the type of person who crashes into someone on a footpath, dismounts and charges someone aggressively. That type of person needs only one response.

rtmie

Saipanne wrote: »

I suppose the type of person who crashes into someone on a footpath, dismounts and charges someone aggressively. That type of person needs only one response.

I totally agree that that is total dick behaviour and you'd have a right to be ticked off. I would be, though being an old fogey I'd probably want to keep the high moral ground, though as you say that might not be comprehended by that person.
However I also doubt (based on people I either know, or have interacted with on this forum) that said person is a member here or that members here are likely to behave like that.

So if you encountered someone walking (or even cycling )along the pavement who acted the complete twat whilst , for example , wearing an <insert football team name> jersey, would you post to the forum for fans of said team to complain.

I know I am going on one about this and it is not really fair to focus it on you or the OP, it just seems lately that there are a lot of threads along the lines of "I encountered someone with a bike who acted like a complete dickhead, you cyclists need to explain yourselves". I'm just not sure what the point of that is.

Saipanne

rtmie wrote: »

I totally agree that that is total dick behaviour and you'd have a right to be ticked off. I would be, though being an old fogey I'd probably want to keep the high moral ground, though as you say that might not be comprehended by that person.
However I also doubt (based on people I either know, or have interacted with on this forum) that said person is a member here or that members here are likely to behave like that.

So if you encountered someone walking (or even cycling )along the pavement who acted the complete twat whilst , for example , wearing an <insert football team name> jersey, would you post to the forum for fans of said team to complain.

I know I am going on one about this and it is not really fair to focus it on you or the OP, it just seems lately that there are a lot of threads along the lines of "I encountered someone with a bike who acted like a complete dickhead, you cyclists need to explain yourselves". I'm just not sure what the point of that is.

The op probably felt like unloading. It's either here, or After Hours?

rtmie

The op probably felt like unloading.[\quote]
Shouting from the rooftop into the abyss?
Isn't that what Twitter's for?

Lu Tze

I was hit by a cyclist who ran a red light while I was crossing the road,got a bit of a shock, as did she. Luckily was going quite slowly, no body hurt. I asked her if she was OK, and she started cyclying off! One she was about 5m away she shouted "sorry" back at me! I'm guessing she thought I might react badly to being hit!

No damage done though, and an apology as well, so i think its more the attitude the op had a problem with as opposed to the initial incident. Some people are dicks it turns out!

mrcheez

rtmie wrote: »

it just seems lately that there are a lot of threads along the lines of "I encountered someone with a bike who acted like a complete dickhead, you cyclists need to explain yourselves". I'm just not sure what the point of that is.

ah now you do really don't you?

mrcheez

mrcheez wrote: »

Came across a car yesterday that beeped me because he didn't like that I was in front of him while on the bike, then scraped by me and tried to knock me off by sharply turning left and breaking suddenly a few times.

If I'd chased after him to get a visual of his face (for my camera y'see, I video-d the whole thing as per normal) probably would have ended up in a fight.

To be honest I used to get bothered by that, but just water off a duck's back at this stage. People be stressing too much

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This wasn't on the back roads by castleknock college?

nope... did you see the same thing happen there? Wouldn't surprise me, that road is terrible

mrcheez

mrcheez wrote: »

Came across a car yesterday that beeped me because he didn't like that I was in front of him while on the bike, then scraped by me and tried to knock me off by sharply turning left and breaking suddenly a few times.

If I'd chased after him to get a visual of his face (for my camera y'see, I video-d the whole thing as per normal) probably would have ended up in a fight.

To be honest I used to get bothered by that, but just water off a duck's back at this stage. People be stressing too much

Where?

Last week a cyclist blocked me because the filter later at Christchurch is 1/2 road and 1/2 bike lane. For some reason the cyclist was stopped in the bike lane with his phone in his hand oblivious to the fact that he's blocking the filter lane. When I beeped him he just turned around and pointed to the fact that he's on the cycle lane which I guess gives him special rights to not share the road?

After 20-30 seconds of playing with his phone and right after the filter lane went red he hopped on his bike and cycled through the red light.

I cycle and I drive. I would never stand in a cycle lane and I always give cyclists plenty of space. To be fair this is the first time in a long time I've had a problem with a cyclist.

mrcheez

Deleted User wrote: »

Where?

Last week a cyclist blocked me because the filter later at Christchurch is 1/2 road and 1/2 bike lane. For some reason the cyclist was stopped in the bike lane with his phone in his hand oblivious to the fact that he's blocking the filter lane. When I beeped him he just turned around and pointed to the fact that he's on the cycle lane which I guess gives him special rights to not share the road?

After 20-30 seconds of playing with his phone and right after the filter lane went red he hopped on his bike and cycled through the red light.

I cycle and I drive. I would never stand in a cycle lane and I always give cyclists plenty of space. To be fair this is the first time in a long time I've had a problem with a cyclist.

eh... not there

The_Valeyard

mrcheez wrote: »

nope... did you see the same thing happen there? Wouldn't surprise me, that road is terrible

Yeah saw something very similar last night at the farmleigh house crossroads.

Thelomen Toblackai

I walk to work every day (In a town down the country) and it's a rare thing to see a cyclist not being a menace down here.

I was almost hit before crossing at a pedestrian crossing. A red light immune cyclist decided he didn't have time for such inconveniences as the law, pedestrians or veering from his chosen direction and came towards me at speed as I was about halfway across the road. And I had to do a little skip jump to get out of his way which made me look a right fool.

ted1

mrcheez wrote: »

Came across a car yesterday that beeped me because he didn't like that I was in front of him while on the bike, then scraped by me and tried to knock me off by sharply turning left and breaking suddenly a few times.

If I'd chased after him to get a visual of his face (for my camera y'see, I video-d the whole thing as per normal) probably would have ended up in a fight.

To be honest I used to get bothered by that, but just water off a duck's back at this stage. People be stressing too much

Off to the motoring forum

2RockMountain

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

I walk to work every day (In a town down the country) and it's a rare thing to see a cyclist not being a menace down here.

I was almost hit before crossing at a pedestrian crossing. A red light immune cyclist decided he didn't have time for such inconveniences as the law, pedestrians or veering from his chosen direction and came towards me at speed as I was about halfway across the road. And I had to do a little skip jump to get out of his way which made me look a right fool.

And yet, for all the anecdotes where about menaces, near misses, almost killed me, cyclists are a cancer etc etc - we just have to look at the news any night of the week to see where the real danger lies on the road.

Dermot Illogical

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

which made me look a right fool.

So this is a repeat performance?

Thelomen Toblackai

2RockMountain wrote: »

And yet, for all the anecdotes where about menaces, near misses, almost killed me, cyclists are a cancer etc etc - we just have to look at the news any night of the week to see where the real danger lies on the road.

In a discussion about some less than considerate cyclists in a cycling forum why are you so desperate to redirect any negativity towards motorists ? The fact bikes don't cause as much damage as cars doesn't give cyclists a right to do whatever the hell they want or excuse any damage or close calls they do have.

And there's quite a big reason why there's so many anecdotes, near misses, almost killed me's (who said cyclists are cancer?) though. The fact that despite cars being so much more dangerous and so much more common people still seem to have more actual issues or issues regularly with cyclists.

Personally as a pedestrian walking to work every day of the week I have had more issues with cyclists than motorists or other pedestrians despite the number of cyclists I meet being nowhere near the number of motorists or other pedestrians I encounter. I've never had a car run a red light and nearly hit me. Never had a car come up on the footpath at speed and force me to get out of the way. Never had a pedestrian come barreling towards me forcing me to jump out of the way.

XR3i

cyclists don;t know the rulr sof the road

Thelomen Toblackai

Dermot Illogical wrote: »

So this is a repeat performance?

You seem like a pleasant fellow. I bet you're real considerate and friendly on the roads. :rolleyes:

Dermot Illogical

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

You seem like a pleasant fellow. I bet you're real considerate and friendly on the roads. :rolleyes:

Yup. Sure am.

rtmie

But the point is why did you jump into the cycling forum for this? Do you have a lead that the culprit lurks here?
Do you jump to the motoring forum when you see a car double parked?

tomasrojo

rtmie wrote: »

The op probably felt like unloading.

Shouting from the rooftop into the abyss?
Isn't that what Twitter's for?

This post, with its evocation of rooftops, unloading and Twitter storms, reminds of one of my favourite quotes from Samuel Peyps' diary:

At night home and up to the leads [roof], were contrary to expectation driven down again with a stinke by Sir W. Pen's shying of a ****ten pot in their house of office

Thelomen Toblackai

rtmie wrote: »

But the point is why did you jump into the cycling forum for this? Do you have a lead that the culprit lurks here?
Do you jump to the motoring forum when you see a car double parked?

I'm sure he probably would if someone in a car drove into him then got out and tried to fight him....

XR3i

i seen a row tofday betwixt a cyclist a nd a bus \(reddacted_+ driver, the bus driver was very sure of humself und didn;t low and behold the poor cyclist produced a crow0bar and said " you ffffing **** i'll warp you r back with the crow-bar, whereupom thr bus-driver swiftly dissssappeared, pity, iy would have made a great video for liveleak

The J Stands for Jay

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

I've never had a car run a red light and nearly hit me. Never had a pedestrian come barreling towards me forcing me to jump out of the way.

You obviously don't work in Dublin.

kirving

rtmie wrote: »

But the point is why did you jump into the cycling forum for this? Do you have a lead that the culprit lurks here?
Do you jump to the motoring forum when you see a car double parked?

Have you seen the dashcam thread?

Generally. People in the motoring forum don't respond to other who bring up bad driving with "Oh yeah well I see cyclists breaking the rules of the road too."

That kind or response is very common on the cycling forum however.

As a cyclists myself, I don't understand the collective defensiveness and undermining of the OP.

Thelomen Toblackai

McGaggs wrote: »

You obviously don't work in Dublin.

No I don't. I don't think I'm fit enough to survive Dublin in rush hour.

2RockMountain

XR3i wrote: »

cyclists don;t know the rulr sof the road

Were you driving while typing this?

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

In a discussion about some less than considerate cyclists in a cycling forum why are you so desperate to redirect any negativity towards motorists ? The fact bikes don't cause as much damage as cars doesn't give cyclists a right to do whatever the hell they want or excuse any damage or close calls they do have.

And there's quite a big reason why there's so many anecdotes, near misses, almost killed me's (who said cyclists are cancer?) though. The fact that despite cars being so much more dangerous and so much more common people still seem to have more actual issues or issues regularly with cyclists.

Personally as a pedestrian walking to work every day of the week I have had more issues with cyclists than motorists or other pedestrians despite the number of cyclists I meet being nowhere near the number of motorists or other pedestrians I encounter. I've never had a car run a red light and nearly hit me. Never had a car come up on the footpath at speed and force me to get out of the way. Never had a pedestrian come barreling towards me forcing me to jump out of the way.

No redirection - just a little context, so we don't lose sight of the bigger picture (that motorists routinely kill and maim, while cyclists don't). If you've never had a car run a red light at you, I suggest you stay well away from the Luas red light camera on the red line. The camera shows that 12% of those breaking lights were cyclists, and the remainder were motorists. And yet, these discussions regularly and repeatedly demonise cyclists because 'one of them nearly killed me' while conveniently ignoring the motorists who actually (not nearly) kill people daily on our roads.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to group people by their choice of transport on any particular day, but if you want to improve road safety, you know which group you should be focusing on first, right?

http://irishcycle.com/2016/05/20/fines-for-cyclists-should-be-welcomed-but-a-bit-of-perspective-is-needed/

tomasrojo

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Generally. People in the motoring forum don't respond to other who bring up bad driving with "Oh yeah well I see cyclists breaking the rules of the road too."

... because people don't fetch up on the shores of the Motoring forum out of the blue and demand an explanation from "motorists" or tell "motorists" that they have to get their house in order.

mrcheez

XR3i wrote: »

i seen a row tofday betwixt a cyclist a nd a bus \(reddacted_+ driver, the bus driver was very sure of humself und didn;t low and behold the poor cyclist produced a crow0bar and said " you ffffing **** i'll warp you r back with the crow-bar, whereupom thr bus-driver swiftly dissssappeared, pity, iy would have made a great video for liveleak

Drunk posting is great!

07Lapierre

i work in customer service... I speak to angry people a lot! There everywhere!

tomasrojo

mrcheez wrote: »

Drunk posting is great!

Reminds me of the fragments of text peppered through Renegade by Mark E. Smith.

vg88

rtmie wrote: »

But the point is why did you jump into the cycling forum for this? Do you have a lead that the culprit lurks here?
Do you jump to the motoring forum when you see a car double parked?

I cycle a lot and have never meet an aggressive cyclist looking for a fight. I do 25ish km a day when going from college but not near the city for the last 4 years. I was to asking if other cyclists meet aggressive cyclists often like such (not drivers).

XR3i

mrcheez wrote: »

Drunk posting is great!

look whose talkin

2RockMountain

moloner4 wrote: »

I cycle a lot and have never meet an aggressive cyclist looking for a fight. I do 25ish km a day when going from college but not near the city for the last 4 years. I was to asking if other cyclists meet aggressive cyclists often like such (not drivers).

Don't forget to clarify the location of the cycle lane when you have a minute, thanks.

Thelomen Toblackai

2RockMountain wrote: »

No redirection - just a little context, so we don't lose sight of the bigger picture (that motorists routinely kill and maim, while cyclists don't). If you've never had a car run a red light at you, I suggest you stay well away from the Luas red light camera on the red line. The camera shows that 12% of those breaking lights were cyclists, and the remainder were motorists. And yet, these discussions regularly and repeatedly demonise cyclists because 'one of them nearly killed me' while conveniently ignoring the motorists who actually (not nearly) kill people daily on our roads.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to group people by their choice of transport on any particular day, but if you want to improve road safety, you know which group you should be focusing on first, right?

http://irishcycle.com/2016/05/20/fines-for-cyclists-should-be-welcomed-but-a-bit-of-perspective-is-needed/

This isn't a road safety discussion though where cyclists are being singled out above others as being a danger. The OP started the thread in the cycling forum by saying he as a cyclists is considerate etc yet he encountered this lunatic who hit him then tried to fight him. So it's not about demonizing cyclists in general either.

As I said just because there's other issues in terms of road safety doesn't mean any and all discussion of cyclist issues should be ignored or redirected. The title of that article sums it up tbh. "Fines for cyclists welcomed BUT... lets not talk about it lets shift the focus and blame elsewhere.."

mrcheez

XR3i wrote: »

i seen a row tofday betwixt a cyclist a nd a bus \(reddacted_+ driver, the bus driver was very sure of humself und didn;t low and behold the poor cyclist produced a crow0bar and said " you ffffing **** i'll warp you r back with the crow-bar, whereupom thr bus-driver swiftly dissssappeared, pity, iy would have made a great video for liveleak

tomasrojo wrote: »

Reminds me of the fragments of text peppered through Renegade by Mark E. Smith.

He even managed to capture the slur sounds in his post.. quite an achievement I might add

2RockMountain

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

This isn't a road safety discussion though where cyclists are being singled out above others as being a danger. The OP started the thread in the cycling forum by saying he as a cyclists is considerate etc yet he encountered this lunatic who hit him then tried to fight him. So it's not about demonizing cyclists in general either.

As I said just because there's other issues in terms of road safety doesn't mean any and all discussion of cyclist issues should be ignored or redirected. The title of that article sums it up tbh. "Fines for cyclists welcomed BUT... lets not talk about it lets shift the focus and blame elsewhere.."

Just to be clear, my only response to the OP was to ask him where was the grand cycle lane he mentioned.

My response to your post, the one that spoke of the "cyclist not being a menace - almost hit" was to put these 'almost hit' stories in context - the context being that very few people are actually injured by cyclists. It is a very relevant clarification - your position was that cyclists are 'menacing' on a daily basis. The facts of our road traffic statistics show that this just isn't true.

It is an exaggerated, pointed, unbalanced position - that's a relevant angle for discussion, right?

Stepping Stone

I never understand the immediate defence of dicks just cos they cycle on this forum.

My neighbour is one of the most aggressive drivers out there. He is fast, inconsiderate, drives one of those expensive German cars that don't have indicators. I have seen him cut off other drivers, pass too close to cyclists, break red lights...I dread seeing that car.

As a pedestrian, he is a dick. He will stroll out into traffic, force people out of his way at the crossings...every annoying thing possible.

Ironically, he also cycles...and he is a dick. Cycling on footpaths, cutting other cyclists off, stopping where and when he wants, breaksred lights, cuts through busy pedestrian crossings on his bike, goes the wrong way on one way streets (does this in the car too).

Essentially, the man behaves as though he owns the road, regardless of modes of transport. He is selfish, dangerous and a dick. A menace is a menace, regardles of mode of transport.

Before anyone asks, he is a legal professional, which can be the only reason that he still has a licence.

Thelomen Toblackai

tomasrojo wrote: »

... because people don't fetch up on the shores of the Motoring forum out of the blue and demand an explanation from "motorists" or tell "motorists" that they have to get their house in order.

People post about bad driving all the time over there. What you don't tend to get are people taking criticism of randomers driving as a personal attack.

You do realize that you're not a representative of any group right ? You're one of many many people who happen to ride a bike. I walk to work everyday. I don't get personally offended if I hear someone say "Damn pedestrian walked out in front of my car today, idiots are always doing". Why ? Because I'm not walking out in front of anyone's car ! They're not talking about me. They're talking about other people....

Thelomen Toblackai

2RockMountain wrote: »

Just to be clear, my only response to the OP was to ask him where was the grand cycle lane he mentioned.

My response to your post, the one that spoke of the "cyclist not being a menace - almost hit" was to put these 'almost hit' stories in context - the context being that very few people are actually injured by cyclists. It is a very relevant clarification - your position was that cyclists are 'menacing' on a daily basis. The facts of our road traffic statistics show that this just isn't true.

It is an exaggerated, pointed, unbalanced position - that's a relevant angle for discussion, right?

No you weren't putting it in context. The context was the OP mentioned he was hit by a cyclist and and threatened afterwards and asked if people had encountered others cyclists like this. I mentioned I had been almost hit by a cyclist before and they were in general a bit of a menace in my area.

That's my position. That in my area, in my experience I find most cyclists don't obey the rules of the road and on one occasion nearly hit me after breaking a red light.

All you did was try redirect the discussion off topic which you're still trying to do. By all means go start a "Road safety" thread and harp on about the dangers of cars to your hearts content. This is about cyclists not behaving themselves.