Problems getting a job

BeardedNomad

Right so I wasnt exactly sure which thread to put this in, but since its a workish problem and the way I see it in my head it is a work problem I decided to put it here. If this is wrong couldnt someone either tell me how to move it or move it to the right thread for me. Thanks.

Right so some context I need a job, problem is I live in Leitrim a county with no jobs. The only jobs I can find are ALL the way down in dublin. I have zero money on a week to week basis. The Dole pays me 100 euro regardless of where I live. I have no other way to get money. I have no family or friends in Dublin that I can stay with. I have a security license but at present will do anything for money.

Does anyone know a way for me to afford getting a job, is it worth it. How much money would I need to stay up in Dublin for a few weeks until I get a job and my paychecks start to come in.

Any ideas welcome.

Thanks.

Senna

What's your experience, qualifications? What have you done since you started on the dole, course or experience gained?

I hear it tramped out every time, only jobs in Dublin. I'm in rural Donegal and there are jobs for those that have a willingness to learn and shows initiative in seeking employment.

eeguy

Thousands of people have security licenses. Anyone can pick one up easy enough. Even in dub, theres lads only working the door at weekends.

BeardedNomad

Experience roughly 4 years on and off Security mostly in events. I havent been continuously on the dole for more than six months at a time. I have Security Studies Fetac 5 course done, Security Operations and Administrations FETAC 6 course done, I have a seperate door license course which i am waiting results for now thats FETAC 4. I have self defense and resistance training and training, but no license, for the english security license that I got in scotland.

About the no jobs thing. There are really no jobs here. Ten were on fas and I applied for all of them maybe ten times each. I have also looked elsewhere really seems to me that the only jobs are in Dublin.

Also I'm 21. 22 in November.

My biggest problem is getting the money for the first two or three weeks of a job. That would include hostel, bus fare, food, ancillary expenses like uniform or buses/taxes around Dublin personal hygiene products. I worked it out from experience staying in Dublin with the hugely expensive hostels, I reckon it will take about 500 to 1000 euro to get started.

Because I am under twenty five and the dole hates anyone that is young and wants to show iniative I only get paid 100 euro a week. REGARDLESS of where I live. Many people think I would get paid more in Dublin, I have asked and I won't.

Thanks again. Anything else you need to know.

davo10

You have had the the opportunity of 14 years of education, what you make of it is your decision. No one here can give you a job. Take what your qualifications can get and if you can't get it, do something else.

RedXIV

Could you apply for a loan with the credit union maybe? That could be a solution and they are usually pretty flexible with fairly minimal repayments

BeardedNomad

Davo its not that im lookingfor a job. Im pretty confident I could get one in Dublin. Its more the affording to get a job up there.

Also a goo dpoint abou teducation is that 14 years of school really only prepares you to be good at school

Red that's actually a pretty good idea that I never thought of. Exactly why I put up this thread. I'll have to look into that. Thanks.

eeguy

There's not much of a future in security, especially since anyone can do a few days training and get some certs. You'd be better off signing onto a springboard course and going from there.

davo10

BeardedNomad wrote: »

Davo its not that im lookingfor a job. Im pretty confident I could get one in Dublin. Its more the affording to get a job up there.

Also a goo dpoint abou teducation is that 14 years of school really only prepares you to be good at school

Red that's actually a pretty good idea that I never thought of. Exactly why I put up this thread. I'll have to look into that. Thanks.

School gives you a stepping board to the future. If you can't get a job doing what you want to do where you want to do it, you take what you can get if you want a job/money. You need a good kick up the arse.

Stheno

davo10 wrote: »

School gives you a stepping board to the future. If you can't get a job doing what you want to do where you want to do it, you take what you can get if you want a job/money. You need a good kick up the arse.

Mod, the OP is looking for advice and nothing in their posts deserves your response.

Please respect the charter.

BeardedNomad

Ya I know everyone I know is getting a Security License and the market has become very over saturated. I'm hoping to do a history course in a few years not looking to make a career out of security. Frankly though I will work as anything right now for the money. Hahaha..

Saipanne

BeardedNomad wrote: »

Ya I know everyone I know is getting a Security License and the market has become very over saturated. I'm hoping to do a history course in a few years not looking to make a career out of security. Frankly though I will work as anything right now for the money. Hahaha..

A history degree is unlikely to land you any better job prospects. Think more like IT, Engineering, Economics, etc. Technical degrees where there is demand.

Best of luck in your current search.

B.A._Baracus

Hi Beardednomad,
Jobs are still hard to come by. They say things are the best they've been since before the recession. But still hard to get work imo.

Lets think about this realistically. Getting a job in Dublin and you'll have to tough it out for a while as rent is insane here. Be it in a hostel or travelling the crazy distance everyday. Unless you get a loan.

Sadly mate there really isn't an easy solution to your problem as you say you don't have any family you can crash with up here.

BeardedNomad

Ya I know about the history Im hoping to become a history professor at some point. So yano,z unrealistic expectations.

Hi B.A awesome name. And ya I've noticed that jobs are still pretty scarce. Maybe if were lucky all the english companies will move over here so that their still in the EU.

No matter what I was planning on staying in a hostel for a while. I done it before for a five day job. The hostel cost me over a hundred quid an the buss from where I live was 30 euro return. Not fantastic but if I could do it again just for the Work I would. That was three years ago. I looked over hostel prices last week and WOW, nearly 180 for 5 days. When did everything become so expensive.

B.A._Baracus

Dublin is a rip off compared to other parts of Ireland. It's mad.

But regarding your situation Min-wage is 9:15 per hour. So 366 euro before tax. Minus your 180 for a hostel and 30 for return bus fare.
That leaves 156 and that's before food and saving to get yourself out of a hostel. It'll be tough.

mawk

Hey OP, apply for factory jobs/ General operative work; they're generally great workplaces compared to service jobs in my experience. Look up recruiters and apply to all of them. They wont advertise specific jobs because they get a stack of CV and basically work through them one by one. Galway might be a much better option for you, there is a cheaper rent than dublin and there are a bunch of multinationals there. Work is fairly easy, low barrier to entry and pay will be anywhere from 4-700 euro a week depending.
electronics, pharmacuticals, med device.. all much the same, all good.

I saved enough working through a few temp contracts to get back to college and got a fine career.

BeardedNomad

Ya that's sort of the thing on my mind now, would it be worth going up to Dublin only to have to crawl back home when I failed with a half grand down the drain.

Galway might be a good option. I'll look into that too. I have a few friends over there who like it. I'll have a look on Jobs ireland. Would that be where to look for Factory work. Generally I just apply to every job whether Im qualified or not. Hoping they might take me on for another position or something.
Definitely look into the factories though great idea.

clear thinking

Why not set set up your own security business. The BTWEA would give you the full dole, there is a grant to buy some basics and get things going and you keep the welfare payment even if you earn. For 2 years.

BeardedNomad

To set up your own security company you need to get a contractor's license and all the paperwork and everything set up proper. I have a friend who tried. The license itself would cost him 1000 euro but all the other things he needed to pay for and get for it would cost nearly 5000 after the grants that he got. (Im not sure what grants he got.) Thanks though.

Thoie

It probably won't work, but if you could get a job lined up, your current local community welfare officer may be able to help you with some getting started money. As unlikely as that is, they definitely won't give you money to just head to Dublin without anything lined up.

Whatever you do, avoid using any of those "pay day" loan places. Anything with an APR in the thousands should set off major alarm bells.

It may not be pleasant, but if you could put up with a hostel dormitory in Dublin for a month, those are "only" about €12-€15 a night.
Food is up to yourself - if you'll cook for yourself in the hostel you needn't spend a fortune on food. Picking up a latte in a coffee shop every day will quickly add up.
You'll need money for travel, or a bike. If you already own a bike, bring it with you. Otherwise a Leap card initially is useful.

Do you have a driving license? Any other skills besides security?
Have you looked at the free elearning courses that you can do from home?

Moving to Dublin with nothing more than a vague hope of getting 2-3 nights a week door work would be insanity. How's your typing/general office skills? Can you sign up with a temping agency at home in the short term and pick up temping work to help you build up some savings? You can go "part time" on the dole, so if you only get 2 days work this week, you can still claim the dole for the other 4 days.

Saipanne

General Operative jobs in Connaught


http://www.irishjobs.ie/ShowResults.aspx?Keywords=General+Operative&Location=67&Category=&Recruiter=Company&Recruiter=Agency


http://ie.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=General+operative&l=Galway&from=home,whereauto

BeardedNomad

Thoie I never knew about hte free Ecourses. Do they give recognized awards? Im going to look into them now. If I moved up Id hope to get 2 or 3 nights on the door an maybe weekdays as a retail officer. or shop attendants. I think that I will need two jobs to afford up there.

Thanks Saipanne I will look into those factory jobs.

Thoie

Depends on which course you do, but yes, some of them do. For those ones you'd have to sit an exam in an authorised exam center, but worth it.

The PMBOK (Project Management one) gives you a credit towards overall PM certification, but there's a lot more work you'd need to do before getting the cert.

BeardedNomad

i was looking at the computer ones. The names of them are confusing Thanks for that never knew about that.
Ya i would imagine the exams are worth it, where are the exam centers located like in intero offices or county council buildings.

experiMental

BeardedNomad wrote: »

Any ideas welcome.

Thanks.

Team up with people in your area who are in the same boat as you are, and look for solutions. You might find something in your local area in this way. If that fails, I think that relocating to Dublin is not really a good option.

I live in Dublin myself and it is far too expensive. I am moving out of a small studio apartment, and the price of it may rise to over 650 Euro per month.

If you are looking to relocate, consider Galway as a first choice or Cork as a second choice. Cork is actually getting more competitive these days, with respect to both work and accommodation.

BeardedNomad

the area i live is so small that i think there is only about five or ten other twenty year olds in the place and most are farmers who dont want to move.

Damn that is a lot of money. How oes anyone afford to live up there. I'll definitely look into Galway. Cork is something like 6 hours away on two or three buses. Seems like a great idea but i'd need to have more money saved for it I think. Thanks for the suggestion... Good luck looking for a house.

Senna

BeardedNomad wrote: »

the area i live is so small that i think there is only about five or ten other twenty year olds in the place and most are farmers who dont want to move.

Damn that is a lot of money. How oes anyone afford to live up there. I'll definitely look into Galway. Cork is something like 6 hours away on two or three buses. Seems like a great idea but i'd need to have more money saved for it I think. Thanks for the suggestion... Good luck looking for a house.

Do you drive, what about the factories in Sligo?

Mrs cockett

Have you tried looking for jobs in hotels in Leitrim, not necessarily in security, maybe trainee barman I don't know what part you are in but I know Lough Rynn hotel for example employs a fair few.Likewise Landmark in Carrick on shannon Now might be a good time as well because a lot of students who were working for the summer will be returning to college shortly.I think with cost of living in Dublin you would be on the breadline in low paid job.

BeardedNomad

No I dont drive. Without a job i cant afford a car, in the area I live i cant get a job without a car. Catch 22.

I'll look into the hotels in carrick. Pretty sure I have already applied for all of them. Carrick is about forty minutes away from me. Im in the border with cavan.

Squeeonline

OP what skills do you have? What talents?

I'm thinking in terms of web design, or fixing computers, or carpentry, or something else that you could potentially use to get you a few bob while something more permanent comes along.

Until then, try volunteering locally or in something you're interested in. People always need volunteers and at the events/etc you will meet people who will either be able to give you a stellar reference for the work that you do or may even be able to point you in the right direction after they see your work ethic.

It also looks good on the CV to have filled your unemployment time with something.

chocice94

The likes of Boston Scientific and Medtronic look for "Product Builders" in Galway. Look up ICE Recruitment, they do the hiring for boston, I think all you need is the leaving cert and they just do an interview and aptitude test and you're in! Plus they pay a good bit over minimum age so that might an idea worth exploring. Best of luck

BeardedNomad

Dont really have anything like that. Pity I cant find a way to make money from knwing what a Hastati was

I have tried all the volunteer shops where I live. Most say they just dont have the work, One said they couldn't afford it (I dont understand that either) Im not lying when I say that most people round where i live have to move away to work. All the talk about the recession being over is a proven lie round here

BeardedNomad

ICE recruitment cool. I'll look that up now. That looks really cool.

cloudatlas

Do you have to move to look for work, could you not start applying remotely from where you are now and then go for an interview on the day if and when you get the call?

Having a job set up before you get there and living in a house share has got to be cheaper than rocking up with nothing and living in a miserable hostel eating expensive takeaway food.

Nomis21

I was a coach/bus driver for 40 years. Sometimes I worked out of a hotel as a ski bus driver in resorts in the French Alps. I noticed that there were hundreds of hotels in the region and most of the staff were English speakers from Australia, UK and Ireland in their early twenties, doing everything from Pot washing to maintenance to operating the ski hire. They start recruiting about this time of year.

Wages are low, but free transport to the resort, food, accommodation and even a ski pass if you want to learn to ski are included in the deal. You just need to show enthusiasm to get recruited.


All the major ski companies are online and the work lasts till April with many needing holiday reps for summer holidays as well.

BeardedNomad

Cloudatlas that was actually the plan. I am not even thinking of moving up there without a job. And I would want one before booking the hostel to. What i want is to get a job and then get the hostel. Problem is the week in hand that every single job seems to want to have. Which means I need abou ta week or two worth of money before I go up. Which in Dublin is easily 500 euro.


Nomis. Would you have any of the names of these ski companies that sounds pretty cool.

BaaLamb

Vistamed in Carrick-on-Shannon are recruiting process operators http://www.vistamed.net/careers/ Might be worth having a look at?

Nomis21

Just google irish ski holidays if you are interested in looking for ski work.

I know it's not easy, but you really also need to use some of your own initiative.

Senna

No jobs in Leitrim, 200 announced yesterday.

OP have you though about what employment there is in the area, do any local employers interest you, what have you done to get one of those jobs?

livedadream

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0829/812577-vistamed-jobs/

try looking in sligo, mayo, cavan,longford, roscommon as well, plenty of jobs out there if you look.

Szmola

Hey there,

From my experience, e-mailing and online applying for a job is not working much. Especially for young folks with no or little experience.
I'm in Dublin and can't find a job but think that's because of my attitude and state of mind. So each to their own, but what I saw is that knocking on the door, presenting yourself personally and giving the CV is the best thing to get the job.

All my friends got the job that way or because of friend's recommendation to their bosses. And, they are all working as kitchen porters, waiting staff, car valetors, etc...nothing fancy but it's still big competition for jobs like that. People are coming from bad economic backgrounds from all around the world and are eager to get any kind of job so there must be large amount of decisiveness to fight and do all what's neccessary to get what you want.

Those general operative jobs via agencies are mostly tricky to accept because working shifts are usually beginning or ending when the bus is not driving anymore or the job location is too far away from any bus route.

Dublin is really expensive and many people are sharing apartments (renting just rooms or similar combinations).
Maybe you could have a deal with your friends in Galway to stay at their place for a about two weeks and than see what's next.
If you get a job in those two weeks, you could start to search a room in a shared apartments. Google around and see all expenses, calculate a little bit...

p.s.
Don't forget about a tax when you get a job!

BeardedNomad

Hey guys sorry haven't checked this in a few weeks.


In response to the messages.

I have checked every factory, shop, dog kennel and pub (including about a dozen other things that i have thought of) in my local area and most are not hiring. Out of all my friends the only ones I know who have a job were the ones who had the money to move to Dublin.

I have to be honest I feel like there's a lot of negative reaction to me saying I can't get a job in my local area. I'm sorry if that offends some people but honestly there is no work here and I'm not the only one in this boat. Personally I think the job market for under twenty fives with little to know experience (I.e most under 25's) is appalling all over the country but in a county as sparsely populated as Leitrim it seems to me to be worse.

On Longford, Cavan, Carrick etc... the major places I can get to and have looked into, people in longford and Cavan won't hire me because I live to far away (30 minutes is not far but some people don't realize that). Places like Roscommon and Athlone are too far away the town I live in has no bus transport and I cant afford to drive. So buses are essential.

Sorry if I'm ranting.

Anyway all of this is off topic for what I wanted anyway.
I put up this post to see if anyone knew how much it would roughly cost me to afford a hostel, food, bus fare, and so on for about two weeks until my first job starts paying (Any body else hate doing a week in hand). This is my fault I didnt know how to word the question and kind of buggered it up.

Szmola thanks for the advice (Everyone else too) and yes I find that actually going in helps. Then again i have handed in over a two hundred CVs in the last two months and nothing has come of it so maybe were wrong . Either way i hope to be able to hand in CV's as well.
Sadly its all about the money.

About the tax, I worked in a hospital as a Security Special for six months once (Think carer for violent patients) and it was my first job and I didnt know about tax and couldn't understand what was going on with the pay check. That is really something to remember.

Thanks all.

Clampdown

BeardedNomad wrote: »

Hey guys sorry haven't checked this in a few weeks.


In response to the messages.

I have checked every factory, shop, dog kennel and pub (including about a dozen other things that i have thought of) in my local area and most are not hiring. Out of all my friends the only ones I know who have a job were the ones who had the money to move to Dublin.

I have to be honest I feel like there's a lot of negative reaction to me saying I can't get a job in my local area. I'm sorry if that offends some people but honestly there is no work here and I'm not the only one in this boat. Personally I think the job market for under twenty fives with little to know experience (I.e most under 25's) is appalling all over the country but in a county as sparsely populated as Leitrim it seems to me to be worse.

On Longford, Cavan, Carrick etc... the major places I can get to and have looked into, people in longford and Cavan won't hire me because I live to far away (30 minutes is not far but some people don't realize that). Places like Roscommon and Athlone are too far away the town I live in has no bus transport and I cant afford to drive. So buses are essential.

Sorry if I'm ranting.

Anyway all of this is off topic for what I wanted anyway.
I put up this post to see if anyone knew how much it would roughly cost me to afford a hostel, food, bus fare, and so on for about two weeks until my first job starts paying (Any body else hate doing a week in hand). This is my fault I didnt know how to word the question and kind of buggered it up.

Szmola thanks for the advice (Everyone else too) and yes I find that actually going in helps. Then again i have handed in over a two hundred CVs in the last two months and nothing has come of it so maybe were wrong . Either way i hope to be able to hand in CV's as well.
Sadly its all about the money.

About the tax, I worked in a hospital as a Security Special for six months once (Think carer for violent patients) and it was my first job and I didnt know about tax and couldn't understand what was going on with the pay check. That is really something to remember.

Thanks all.

No, you're right. People don't understand how bad the employment market is in the Northwest. They're just dole bashers, don't heed them. They put down everyone who's unemployed even if the person is desperate for work they still think if you're on the dole you must be lazy. Stick them in a two horse town with no transport and no savings for a deposit to move elsewhere and see how they'd get on.

I'm in the same boat, trying to save up to move to a busier area is hard when you're on the dole, I've started a credit union acct so if I get an offer I can take a loan for relocation.

BeardedNomad

Hi Clampdown thanks its nice to know someone else is in the same boat. I have a credit union account too. Always worried about taking out loans but it looks like the only way.

Ya when I put this up I was surprised by the reactions. Seems stupid to me to go at someone when their looking for work.


I think one of the biggest problems i have is how little the dole pay. 100 euro a week is nothing to move out on. Hell apartments in carrick are nearly 650 a month, that makes for a 1300 euro deposit, at least.

Where are you looking to move if you dont mind me asking. Have you looked into hostels, transport and the like?

Larry SR

Tough situation and I don't envy you.

If I were you I would plan to move to Sligo. More opportunities in terms of jobs (retail, bars, factories etc.), house and flat shares aren't too expensive (in comparison with other parts of the country) and you could look at doing a course with Sligo IT in order to enhance your career prospects.

Can you save anything from your current weekly dole payment? Can you get some help financially from a family member or friend?

Whatever you do, you need to think of something as the months/years go by quickly and you don't want to be in this situation long term.

Mrs cockett

Would you apply to join the gardai? Recruitment going on at the moment

Clampdown

BeardedNomad wrote: »

Hi Clampdown thanks its nice to know someone else is in the same boat. I have a credit union account too. Always worried about taking out loans but it looks like the only way.

Ya when I put this up I was surprised by the reactions. Seems stupid to me to go at someone when their looking for work.


I think one of the biggest problems i have is how little the dole pay. 100 euro a week is nothing to move out on. Hell apartments in carrick are nearly 650 a month, that makes for a 1300 euro deposit, at least.

Where are you looking to move if you dont mind me asking. Have you looked into hostels, transport and the like?

I am not sure but would be looking to go to Galway, Cork or a decent size town. I've applied for a Webelevate digital design skills course which is 1 year part time online to do while I save up. It's free for jobseekers.

The tricky part other than deposit money is I have a dog I adopted a few years ago when I had full time work. So while my Mum would mind her til I got settled in somewhere I'd eventually need to find a place that allows pets to take her with me.

Another poster suggested Sligo, I lived there for 8 years and had to leave because work dried up and I was unemployed for a year, could not get anything other than Jobbridge. Maybe it's improved a bit but it was dying when I left.

jn45672

Im sorry if I sound harsh but you need to have more motivation. if theres no work in the north west then its simple.. move out..dont want to go to Dublin? get a loan of 1000 euro hop on a plane to London, Cork, Liverpool, Galway,etc like every other Irish person and get a job there in Construction or bar work. Theres loads of work outside of the North West if you do research on the Internet using initiative.

Gavinz

You'll make a fine History Professor.

PMBC

Clampdown wrote: »

I am not sure but would be looking to go to Galway, Cork or a decent size town. I've applied for a Webelevate digital design skills course which is 1 year part time online to do while I save up. It's free for jobseekers.

The tricky part other than deposit money is I have a dog I adopted a few years ago when I had full time work. So while my Mum would mind her til I got settled in somewhere I'd eventually need to find a place that allows pets to take her with me.

Another poster suggested Sligo, I lived there for 8 years and had to leave because work dried up and I was unemployed for a year, could not get anything other than Jobbridge. Maybe it's improved a bit but it was dying when I left.

Would you update us on your present situation - I'm hoping things worked for you and that you got a job and got to study History.

Clampdown

jn45672 wrote: »

Im sorry if I sound harsh but you need to have more motivation. if theres no work in the north west then its simple.. move out..dont want to go to Dublin? get a loan of 1000 euro hop on a plane to London, Cork, Liverpool, Galway,etc like every other Irish person and get a job there in Construction or bar work. Theres loads of work outside of the North West if you do research on the Internet using initiative.

Spoken like someone who hasn't actually been in this situation.

A loan of a 1000 euro is going to set you up in London, Cork, Liverpool or Galway? That might get you a deposit and months worth of rent in Ireland in a house share with very little left for food/commute/other bills and then you have 4 weeks to get sorted. If you think that will set you up in London I wonder what year are you living in? I'm saving in a credit union now because it's the only way to get a loan, you might be surprised to hear the banks aren't throwing money at unemployed people at the moment.

Are you seriously suggesting people should emigrate to London to go work in a bar? Yeah great plan. You'll earn about 7 pound an hour in a dead end job where rents and everything else are astronomical. And I've worked in bars for before and during college. I don't see it as a career opportunity worth emigrating and then starving for, I'm not 21 anymore.

I have a sister who went there as a nurse and she even finds it tough to make ends meet a real times. There's more tax there including council tax that even renters pay.

If only it were so easy to get out of these ruts. My solution would be: allow me to take a years dole in one payment and then I can't qualify for it again for a full year. I'd be gone then. Instead I'm on it two years now barely saving 20 quid a week. The way things are I will ironically only be able to save properly for a relocation, if I find a job!