Ram lambs for export

Sheep breeder

Hi did anybody sell any ram lambs for export, we are going this evening to bring and weight centre and are getting paid at point,
Anybody and experience of this way of selling.

sheepfarmer92

Yea did it beforr, make sure your getting paid on point, they wont take any lame lambs

roosky

Looked into it buy hard to get exact answers off the lads.....if you could find out the following i would be very appreciative, or if someone else could answer that would be great

1. The weights have to be 40 to 45 kg.....what happens if your scales is off and some lambs are 39 or 46 kg for example.
2. What price per kg
3. Do they grade the lambs at all
....is there any high price for better lambs
4.do you get compensated for the price of the EID tag
5.when will they stop exporting...as in how long will this be an option


Thanks for this.

early_riser

Our local mart taking them, have to be 40-47kg, no lame sheep and no horns. Im not sure what price per kilo they are giving. Thing is thou you cant have bought any sheep into your flock in the last 21 days, is this the case with everyone?? catching alot of lads out around here with breeding sales in full flow and lads buying stores

Sheep breeder

Went with 20 lambs at 47 kg and paid 220 a kilo and money paid into the bank account by 10 the next morning, very straight forward, will go with more next week.

paddysdream

Same as above in local mart.2.20 a kilo with lambs needing eid tags and no purchases in last 21(30?) days into the flock number.Ram lambs 45kgs or so fleshy but not finished.No lame ones wanted.
Think one or two lads got a call to take them back as they had purchased sheep within the quarantine period.According to a few that went they were told beforehand about this so no excuse really.Dept. are pretty on the ball re. flock movements these days.

Hard to know if its as good as factory but at least it brings another option to the table.22 kgs at 4.90 is 107.8 before deductions whilst 48kg live at 2.20 is 105.60 so very little in it esp for lambs a bit underfleshed .EID tag cost plus weighing charge(unsure about that but was taken a few years ago with previous export weighing) would exceed factory costs but then if near the mart might have less transport cost.

Nice to see another option esp. for ram lambs at this time of year.

Forgot to mention that they didn't want mules or mountainy lambs.

razor8

what part of the country are the collections points?

Sheep breeder

we went through wicklow cattle company, they are collecting all over ireland. are the factories only paying to 21 kg dead.we paid no weighting charge and some lambs were under fleshed and were weighted full of the gut.
great to see another option bar all to the factory and talking to the muslin guy buying the lambs this is only going to get a bigger trade in the years to come and a great way to clean up the tail end ram lambs. as for having to use the EID tags sure wont all lambs going for slaughter shortly have them.

paddysdream

Sheep breeder wrote: »

we went through wicklow cattle company, they are collecting all over ireland. are the factories only paying to 21 kg dead.we paid no weighting charge and some lambs were under fleshed and were weighted full of the gut.
great to see another option bar all to the factory and talking to the muslin guy buying the lambs this is only going to get a bigger trade in the years to come and a great way to clean up the tail end ram lambs. as for having to use the EID tags sure wont all lambs going for slaughter shortly have them.

All factories are paying to at least 21.5 kgs at this stage and would assume most are getting 22kgs.
Talk of the factories and marts looking for eid tag on lambs but at the moment that's all it is.Enough deductions as it is without having to put a euro plus of a tag in a lambs ear for maybe an hour.

Sheep breeder

Eid tagging is coming down the road with the factories wanting it and when they want something they get it, as this will speed up the paper work and the kill sheet for the factory and traceability.

paddysdream

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Eid tagging is coming down the road with the factories wanting it and when they want something they get it, as this will speed up the paper work and the kill sheet for the factory and traceability.

Agree with that.EID tagging is going to suit the factory as it will reduce their costs whilst imposing an extra cost on the farmer.

As regards traceability,well no difference really as in theory a lamb is tracable at the moment to the farm of origin and putting an extra euro in their ear will not increase that.

Farrell

paddysdream wrote: »

Agree with that.EID tagging is going to suit the factory as it will reduce their costs whilst imposing an extra cost on the farmer.

As regards traceability,well no difference really as in theory a lamb is tracable at the moment to the farm of origin and putting an extra euro in their ear will not increase that.

Can't see this happening, but
If Factories & Marts want EID, but farmers don't ... cos of cost, why can't farmers get the EID at the cost of a Mart / slaughter tag with the Factories/ Marts picking up the balance

rangler1

Farrell wrote: »

Can't see this happening, but
If Factories & Marts want EID, but farmers don't ... cos of cost, why can't farmers get the EID at the cost of a Mart / slaughter tag with the Factories/ Marts picking up the balance

Lamb will pay for the tag eventually, if the processing cost goes up by the price of eid, the price will be reduced for the lamb by 5c/kg

Farrell

rangler1 wrote: »

Lamb will pay for the tag eventually, if the processing cost goes up by the price of eid, the price will be reduced for the lamb by 5c/kg

Sadly, I know you're right, just hateful to always be taking the kicking for everyone else

kk.man

We have very little to haggle with as Farmers and we would want to stand our ground on this one. Factories are chomping at the bit to get this in and when/if they get it they wont do farmers any favours. I think the IFA/Farm organisations are keeping this in reserve to negotiate a good deal for sheep farmers and holding it over the Depts head as a bargaining tool.

rangler1

kk.man wrote: »

We have very little to haggle with as Farmers and we would want to stand our ground on this one. Factories are chomping at the bit to get this in and when/if they get it they wont do farmers any favours. I think the IFA/Farm organisations are keeping this in reserve to negotiate a good deal for sheep farmers and holding it over the Depts head as a bargaining tool.

Complete waste of money, a factory killing 4 or 5000 a day wasting €4 0r 5000 euros of farmers money, compared with employing someone to read the lambs manually, shouldn't be let happen

roosky

Does anyone know where i could find about collection points

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

Complete waste of money, a factory killing 4 or 5000 a day wasting €4 0r 5000 euros of farmers money, compared with employing someone to read the lambs manually, shouldn't be let happen

As I've said before there is no benifit for the farmer to put etags in lambs ears when they're just going to be cut off hours later.

Actually is anyone else been asked to put the check letters on the movement dockets?

DMAXMAN

ganmo wrote: »

As I've said before there is no benifit for the farmer to put etags in lambs ears when they're just going to be cut off hours later.

Actually is anyone else been asked to put the check letters on the movement dockets?

bloody dept man in our local mart has been looking for it this year or so.has to be filled in fully i.e. all spaces in the line filled in

paddysdream

ganmo wrote: »

As I've said before there is no benifit for the farmer to put etags in lambs ears when they're just going to be cut off hours later.

Actually is anyone else been asked to put the check letters on the movement dockets?

Nobody,not the Dept,factory's or marts can show how the introduction of an EID tag will benefit a farmer in any way.

Helps the Dept. look like good little boys when the EU auditors call round and they can show our wonderful fully traceable bell's and whistle's system.
Dept. inspectors advice (not to me I hasten to add as I am compliant!!!!) to friend was to cut out all the tags from incorrectly tagged/missing one tag/missing both tags/mart tagged ewes and just retag with all new EID tags.Traceability my ar*e

Factory's will love their ability to read "all" the lambs without the problem of paying someone to do it and it will be farmer's/electronic reader supplier/tag provider's fault when they make a mistake.Of course this traceability etc. will increase the price by about x per kilo don't you know.

Marts need it because they feel that it would give an advantage to factory trade if EID was only required in marts so meaning higher cost to sell live.They say store buyers want it but do they pay extra for EID tagged sheep at the moment?

Regarding the check letter;never put it down as it's not required.Think it's only a random letter to check that the tag no. is valid ie stop someone deciding to print their own tags.
Sending your own consequitively numbered lambs to the factory and/or mart you only need to enter the first and last numbers(no need for the full 13 digits eg. 50 lambs tagged 10000 to 10049 just need 10000 slash/line 10049 and that's it.Your herd indentifier is on the top of every dispatch docket so no need to enter it if all the lambs are tagged with your own tag.

paddysdream

DMAXMAN wrote: »

bloody dept man in our local mart has been looking for it this year or so.has to be filled in fully i.e. all spaces in the line filled in

Just tell him he is wrong ,end of story.
He either does not know the rules or is a difficult assh*le.
Like I said in the previous post no need when all the lambs are from your own flock.That I do know for 100% certain.

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

Complete waste of money, a factory killing 4 or 5000 a day wasting €4 0r 5000 euros of farmers money, compared with employing someone to read the lambs manually, shouldn't be let happen

The manual reading leaves a lot to be desired. flock numbers aren't noted. And individual numbers aren't accurate. Icm print a disclaimer on the bottom of each kill sheet.

paddysdream

Willfarman wrote: »

The manual reading leaves a lot to be desired. flock numbers aren't noted. And individual numbers aren't accurate. Icm print a disclaimer on the bottom of each kill sheet.

Wonder would the Dept. accept if we farmers printed a similar disclaimer on all our paperwork.Maybe something along the lines of;

"Due to the chronic state of Irish agriculture and the poor returns I may make mistakes in my herd register/flock register/remedies book/spray book etc etc but this is because the returns do at many times not justify the time and effort to fill in lots of duplicated data that is kept anyway's by the Dept and will most prob. only be used to either cut my BPS or frighten me with the threat of an inspection".

Honest question.Will EID mean anything other than an increased cost to the supplier?Factory is rather unlikely to pass on any saving by way of a better price.
At the end of the day its the return that matters and whilst it might be nice to know how each individual lamb kills out,the margin on lambs is small enough without making it any smaller.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

The manual reading leaves a lot to be desired. flock numbers aren't noted. And individual numbers aren't accurate. Icm print a disclaimer on the bottom of each kill sheet.

It works alright with us, all coming from the one herd number is a help, wouldn't be that many mistakes, Have had words with ICM so maybe they make more of an effort with ours.
we're using EID this year on the lambs, but they're not all tagged with them, had about 100 ordinary tags to use up.

orm0nd

rangler1 wrote: »

It works alright with us, all coming from the one herd number is a help, wouldn't be that many mistakes, Have had words with ICM so maybe they make more of an effort with ours.
we're using EID this year on the lambs, but they're not all tagged with them, had about 100 ordinary tags to use up.

is that just a single eid tag ? or are you using the pair

rangler1

orm0nd wrote: »

is that just a single eid tag ? or are you using the pair

single

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

single

What do you do with the other one?

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

What do you do with the other one?

We use these, they can be supplied EID, automatic reader has to be within 3ins of them but that could be the readers fault.

http://www.quicktag.ie/products/192-tagfaster-batch-tag.aspx?CategoryID=84

The gun holds the strip of 20

http://www.quicktag.ie/products/189-tagfaster-automatic-gun.aspx

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

We use these, they can be supplied EID, automatic reader has to be within 3ins of them but that could be the readers fault.

http://www.quicktag.ie/products/192-tagfaster-batch-tag.aspx?CategoryID=84

The gun holds the strip of 20

http://www.quicktag.ie/products/189-tagfaster-automatic-gun.aspx

Will that gun take other tags from other manufacturers?

rangler1

ganmo wrote: »

Will that gun take other tags from other manufacturers?

Don't know, but unlikely

razor8

roosky wrote: »

Does anyone know where i could find about collection points

One in Cavan last night, will be another next week, paying €2.30