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Are Vape Cigs safe?

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  • 26-08-2016 2:43am
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    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭


    Hey folks, want to give up the fags, I smoke about 15 a day, I want to try a vape cig to try come off the cigs and eventually off the vape too. New to vaping, never really payed much attention to them until now, are they safe? Would you recommend them?

    I should mention, the reason I am turning to a vape cig is a friend of mine starting smoking one about 6 months back to give up smoking cigarettes, now he has come off the vape and is not smoking anything the last 5weeks, but before I get one I want to make sure they are safe or get some advice.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Allan45121


    The short answer is no they aren't safe. The only safe thing to do is inhale pure air. But compared to cigarettes they are 95% safer.
    I fully recommend e cigs as a method of quitting smoking. I stopped the same day I got my first e-cig. You can lower the nicotine level of the liquid you use to wean yourself off them.
    So I think you should give it a go. It worked for your friends why not you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    You're so concerned about the vape being safe yet you smoke 15 fags a day?

    Common sense would tell you sucking in water vapour is 10x safer than sucking in 15 major a day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭mossymac!


    Allan45121 wrote: »
    inhale pure air.

    I was gonna just say that this would be a very expensive habit to have :)

    But I decided that unlike all the studies expounding the dangerous habit of vaping - I'd actually check my facts :D

    https://vitalityair.com/products/air/8l-banff-air/

    Canadian Bottled Air - $32 for 8L :eek:

    Just to put this in context
    quora.com wrote: »
    A person breathes 7 or 8 liters of air per minute


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Willie Stroker 1976


    Thanks for the replies I just got one, wish me luck :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭dball


    Go for it, sure you're already saving €€€€€€€'s - wait for shinyitus though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭Menoetius


    dball wrote: »
    wait for shinyitus though.

    ?? Go on indulge us


  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭mossymac!


    How to deal with shinyitis

    There's a very debilitating (to your bank account) disorder sweeping across the vaping community..

    Shinyitis is a common disorder amongst vapers. New e cigarette users may find that they are slowly sucked in past the ego or the nicolite and into the world of tailored mods, home made e-liquids and the quest for anything that is shiny shiny.

    Like a magpie, your life is taken up by the search for the perfect mod, the perfect piece of kit to fill you collection. Yet one mod is never enough. It's a relentless struggle against having money for mods and money to pay your bills.

    Shinyitis can be identified using the following questions:



    1. Are you constantly searching for the next new piece of kit?

    2. Do you crow over shiny shiny mods and atties

    3. Is your collection spiralling out of control and needing bigger storage?

    4. Are you eyeing up a room/garage/new shed to store your purchases?

    5. Do you try and enlist others into hiding how much you are spending? E.g. are you asking classified sellers to put in a note saying 'congratulations on your latest win'?

    6. Do you have more mods than any one person can use?

    7. Does the auto fill in your browser not filled with porn, or with handbags, but with links to your favourite vendors?

    8. Do you constantly hit F5 in the knowledge that if you aren't there first, you won't get it?

    9. Is your bank balance lower than when you did smoke?



    If you have answered YES to all of these questions (or even half) then it is a definite that you are suffering from Shinyitis.

    There is no cure for this severely obsessive disorder – not even buying gives you the same buzz, it has to be newer and foreign and better and more unique than anyone else's mod.

    Attempts at stopping this disorder have failed. Even switching from mods to e liquid have failed, as the sufferer then goes onto trying to locate the most obscure e liquids (Pluid and GVC are two of them) even if they don't like the flavour, even if it is only to have the bottle in their collection to look at and to moan about its flavour/tank cracking/price/rarity/whether it tastes better in a fasttech dripper or a £120 Cobra.

    Price means nothing to shinyitis. If it is something you do not have you will find the money, even if it means leasing a kidney (we do not ask you do this, as it can be deadly) or selling your soul to whatever deity it is you believe in (again, this is not advisable, although those who have done this can be seen by their admission into a mental hospital) or doing more overtime and hiding your purchases.

    A secondary condition can be Hoarding. Hoarding is the squirrelling away of all mod, e cig and e liquid purchases, hiding them from those around you and those you love the most. The furtive, secretive activity has been mistaken for adultery in the past. We do not recommend this behaviour if you have a jealous partner as you may find yourself with more mods and a cardboard box as a home.

    But, how can Shinyitis be combated? There is no known cure for this wallet and bank emptying disorder. All that can be done is moderation, and this does not always work. 'Just one more mod, just one more atty, just that chi_you list, just that Cobra on the classies'. It is a never ending cycle of purchase and regret. Sadly, this may lead not only to the end of your overdraft, but the end of relationships and marriages...and having a spare kidney.........or not being in bondage to a mod maker.....

    http://www.vapourmate.co.uk/blogs/news/8317943-how-to-deal-with-shinyitis


  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭Menoetius


    mossymac! wrote: »
    How to deal with shinyitis

    There's a very debilitating (to your bank account) disorder sweeping across the vaping community..

    Shinyitis is a common disorder amongst vapers. New e cigarette users may find that they are slowly sucked in past the ego or the nicolite and into the world of tailored mods, home made e-liquids and the quest for anything that is shiny shiny.

    Like a magpie, your life is taken up by the search for the perfect mod, the perfect piece of kit to fill you collection. Yet one mod is never enough. It's a relentless struggle against having money for mods and money to pay your bills.

    Shinyitis can be identified using the following questions:



    1. Are you constantly searching for the next new piece of kit?

    2. Do you crow over shiny shiny mods and atties

    3. Is your collection spiralling out of control and needing bigger storage?

    4. Are you eyeing up a room/garage/new shed to store your purchases?

    5. Do you try and enlist others into hiding how much you are spending? E.g. are you asking classified sellers to put in a note saying 'congratulations on your latest win'?

    6. Do you have more mods than any one person can use?

    7. Does the auto fill in your browser not filled with porn, or with handbags, but with links to your favourite vendors?

    8. Do you constantly hit F5 in the knowledge that if you aren't there first, you won't get it?

    9. Is your bank balance lower than when you did smoke?



    If you have answered YES to all of these questions (or even half) then it is a definite that you are suffering from Shinyitis.

    There is no cure for this severely obsessive disorder – not even buying gives you the same buzz, it has to be newer and foreign and better and more unique than anyone else's mod.

    Attempts at stopping this disorder have failed. Even switching from mods to e liquid have failed, as the sufferer then goes onto trying to locate the most obscure e liquids (Pluid and GVC are two of them) even if they don't like the flavour, even if it is only to have the bottle in their collection to look at and to moan about its flavour/tank cracking/price/rarity/whether it tastes better in a fasttech dripper or a £120 Cobra.

    Price means nothing to shinyitis. If it is something you do not have you will find the money, even if it means leasing a kidney (we do not ask you do this, as it can be deadly) or selling your soul to whatever deity it is you believe in (again, this is not advisable, although those who have done this can be seen by their admission into a mental hospital) or doing more overtime and hiding your purchases.

    A secondary condition can be Hoarding. Hoarding is the squirrelling away of all mod, e cig and e liquid purchases, hiding them from those around you and those you love the most. The furtive, secretive activity has been mistaken for adultery in the past. We do not recommend this behaviour if you have a jealous partner as you may find yourself with more mods and a cardboard box as a home.

    But, how can Shinyitis be combated? There is no known cure for this wallet and bank emptying disorder. All that can be done is moderation, and this does not always work. 'Just one more mod, just one more atty, just that chi_you list, just that Cobra on the classies'. It is a never ending cycle of purchase and regret. Sadly, this may lead not only to the end of your overdraft, but the end of relationships and marriages...and having a spare kidney.........or not being in bondage to a mod maker.....

    http://www.vapourmate.co.uk/blogs/news/8317943-how-to-deal-with-shinyitis

    :D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    That's me alright :D:D but no hiding stuff anymore,which I miss:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Willie Stroker 1976


    mossymac! wrote: »
    How to deal with shinyitis

    There's a very debilitating (to your bank account) disorder sweeping across the vaping community..

    Shinyitis is a common disorder amongst vapers. New e cigarette users may find that they are slowly sucked in past the ego or the nicolite and into the world of tailored mods, home made e-liquids and the quest for anything that is shiny shiny.

    Like a magpie, your life is taken up by the search for the perfect mod, the perfect piece of kit to fill you collection. Yet one mod is never enough. It's a relentless struggle against having money for mods and money to pay your bills.

    Shinyitis can be identified using the following questions:



    1. Are you constantly searching for the next new piece of kit?

    2. Do you crow over shiny shiny mods and atties

    3. Is your collection spiralling out of control and needing bigger storage?

    4. Are you eyeing up a room/garage/new shed to store your purchases?

    5. Do you try and enlist others into hiding how much you are spending? E.g. are you asking classified sellers to put in a note saying 'congratulations on your latest win'?

    6. Do you have more mods than any one person can use?

    7. Does the auto fill in your browser not filled with porn, or with handbags, but with links to your favourite vendors?

    8. Do you constantly hit F5 in the knowledge that if you aren't there first, you won't get it?

    9. Is your bank balance lower than when you did smoke?



    If you have answered YES to all of these questions (or even half) then it is a definite that you are suffering from Shinyitis.

    There is no cure for this severely obsessive disorder – not even buying gives you the same buzz, it has to be newer and foreign and better and more unique than anyone else's mod.

    Attempts at stopping this disorder have failed. Even switching from mods to e liquid have failed, as the sufferer then goes onto trying to locate the most obscure e liquids (Pluid and GVC are two of them) even if they don't like the flavour, even if it is only to have the bottle in their collection to look at and to moan about its flavour/tank cracking/price/rarity/whether it tastes better in a fasttech dripper or a £120 Cobra.

    Price means nothing to shinyitis. If it is something you do not have you will find the money, even if it means leasing a kidney (we do not ask you do this, as it can be deadly) or selling your soul to whatever deity it is you believe in (again, this is not advisable, although those who have done this can be seen by their admission into a mental hospital) or doing more overtime and hiding your purchases.

    A secondary condition can be Hoarding. Hoarding is the squirrelling away of all mod, e cig and e liquid purchases, hiding them from those around you and those you love the most. The furtive, secretive activity has been mistaken for adultery in the past. We do not recommend this behaviour if you have a jealous partner as you may find yourself with more mods and a cardboard box as a home.

    But, how can Shinyitis be combated? There is no known cure for this wallet and bank emptying disorder. All that can be done is moderation, and this does not always work. 'Just one more mod, just one more atty, just that chi_you list, just that Cobra on the classies'. It is a never ending cycle of purchase and regret. Sadly, this may lead not only to the end of your overdraft, but the end of relationships and marriages...and having a spare kidney.........or not being in bondage to a mod maker.....

    http://www.vapourmate.co.uk/blogs/news/8317943-how-to-deal-with-shinyitis


    Nah this defo wont be me I only spent 200quid on a range of liquids today :) lol I joke, I hope it won't anyway


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭jno547


    Hey folks, want to give up the fags, I smoke about 15 a day, I want to try a vape cig to try come off the cigs and eventually off the vape too. New to vaping, never really payed much attention to them until now, are they safe? Would you recommend them?

    I should mention, the reason I am turning to a vape cig is a friend of mine starting smoking one about 6 months back to give up smoking cigarettes, now he has come off the vape and is not smoking anything the last 5weeks, but before I get one I want to make sure they are safe or get some advice.

    It's probably too big a question to answer positively yes but they contain an awful lot less harmful substances than cigs which can only be a good thing in the long run. We were smoking cigarettes for about 20 years before some genius realised that these things might be shortening our lives so perhaps at some stage when we see people on the street with tentacles growing out of their forehead we'll realise that vaping was bad for you:):eek:
    In the meantime,they are a very effective way off coming off cigarettes, much better imo than patches,gum or locking yourself in a dark room trying to give up and the health benefits from stopping cigarettes are huge as I'm sure your well aware off. The financial savings can also be huge even if the odd period of shinyitis does raise it's wonderful head:D,I have a case of permanent shinyitis but funnily enough I'm still better off after just over 3 years vaping than I would be if I was still smoking.
    If you go the vaping route get yourself some good kit to start with,there are plenty here who will advise on what's available to start with and the range and quality of equipment and juice thats available nowadays is superb.
    Good luck with it and ENJOY. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭mossymac!


    jno547 wrote: »
    when we see people on the street with tentacles growing out of their forehead we'll realise that vaping was bad for you:):eek:

    Hey, lay off the Star Trek Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Farscape Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Babylon 5 Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Star Wars Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Doctor Who Conventions :D

    (Trying to cover all my bases here :D)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭jno547


    mossymac! wrote: »
    Hey, lay off the Star Trek Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Farscape Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Babylon 5 Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Star Wars Conventions :D

    Hey, lay off the Doctor Who Conventions :D

    (Trying to cover all my bases here :D)

    Lest we forget :)
    cTmwvD.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 DeiseMan4


    Look whatever the risks of vaping but they're 98% better for you than fags surely. Like how could they even compare. 1/2 smokers die of a smoking related disease.


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Willie Stroker 1976


    5 days in lads, haven't had a fag since Friday dinner time, and I used to smoke 15-20 a day. Wouldn't be able to cope without this e cig, going to try come off this now in about a 2months


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    Nice one Willie,you will notice a big change in your health very soon,vaping can cause dehydration,so drink plenty of water,I was going to give up vaping after a few months but it became a hobby as well,8 years later I'm still enjoying it...


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭nobodys_hero


    Nice going Willie. I'm 7 weeks off the smokes myself (20+ rollies a day). I had a lead in period of about a month where I was doing both, but quickly found I was only smoking my first and last of the day, the rest was vaping. My taste started coming back and one day 7 weeks ago I had half a rollie and chucked the rest because it tasted awful. Haven't had one since and still have tobacco in my car, desk drawer etc.

    I've been on anything but tobacco flavours vape juice wise because I've discovered that now that I can taste it I don't really like it.

    Why I'm replying though is because of the timeframe you've given yourself to come off the vape too. Hopefully it will work for you, but I'm giving myself a full year at least. I'll think about dropping nicotine level (currently 12mg in a tight draw mod and 6 mg in an airy one) at the 4 to six month stage.

    One thing I'm sure of though. If I feel like I'm going to slip back to real cigarettes I'll go back to stronger nicotine vaping for a while and try again down the line perhaps. I'd rather spend the rest of my life vaping than go back to cigarettes. I'm not thrilled about still being on nicotine but that misses the point of how much better I feel without the nicotine being in actual cigarettes. I have to keep reminding myself and not chastising myself for being an addict. I've been an addict for about 27 years and I didn't ever really give myself a hard time about it when I was smoking, so why start now that I'm not?

    Loving hearing of other people also giving up via vaping. I went on quit.ie and was talking to one of their online people who could only say "We don't recommend vaping, have you tried NRT". Not helpful since vaping is essentially NRT. But that's the HSE for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭Willie Stroker 1976


    Nice going Willie. I'm 7 weeks off the smokes myself (20+ rollies a day). I had a lead in period of about a month where I was doing both, but quickly found I was only smoking my first and last of the day, the rest was vaping. My taste started coming back and one day 7 weeks ago I had half a rollie and chucked the rest because it tasted awful. Haven't had one since and still have tobacco in my car, desk drawer etc.

    I've been on anything but tobacco flavours vape juice wise because I've discovered that now that I can taste it I don't really like it.

    Why I'm replying though is because of the timeframe you've given yourself to come off the vape too. Hopefully it will work for you, but I'm giving myself a full year at least. I'll think about dropping nicotine level (currently 12mg in a tight draw mod and 6 mg in an airy one) at the 4 to six month stage.

    One thing I'm sure of though. If I feel like I'm going to slip back to real cigarettes I'll go back to stronger nicotine vaping for a while and try again down the line perhaps. I'd rather spend the rest of my life vaping than go back to cigarettes. I'm not thrilled about still being on nicotine but that misses the point of how much better I feel without the nicotine being in actual cigarettes. I have to keep reminding myself and not chastising myself for being an addict. I've been an addict for about 27 years and I didn't ever really give myself a hard time about it when I was smoking, so why start now that I'm not?

    Loving hearing of other people also giving up via vaping. I went on quit.ie and was talking to one of their online people who could only say "We don't recommend vaping, have you tried NRT". Not helpful since vaping is essentially NRT. But that's the HSE for you.

    Hey, fairplay to you also, 7 weeks and going strong so well done. I think with out vaping I could never give up fags, the hardest time is after food I crave a fag but thanks to the ecig after around 6puffs I don't want a fag. Keep going strong buddy, I'm right behind ya lol.

    Hoping to stop vaping maybe after xmas and be completely nicotine free, maybe a new years resolution to give up the ecig, like you I am on 12mg but I mix the tabacco flavour with a few drops of Apple flavour and a tad drop of menthol, its unreal. In nov/dec I will try to drop down to 6mg to prepare coming off it in Jan


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    Just out of curiosity, why do you want to give up vaping? It seems to me to only add pressure and increase the likelihood of reverting back to smoking. Also as theirs about the same risk as from vaping as drinking coffee or tea why abandon it if it gives you pleasure? I know the anti smoking people have recently moved to nicotine abstinence as a goal (coincidently around the time ecigs came on the market) but to what purpose?
    I just don't get it, I smoked because I enjoyed it, I knew the risks and smoked anyway because the pleasure outweighed the risk. I switched because I found vaping a better experience, the health benefit was a bonus. TBH I never had any negative health issues from smoking so I may be an exception here. Do you feel the same need to give up caffeine or other mild stimulants, what is so different about nicotine?


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭nobodys_hero


    Hey Tommy,
    If vaping / smoking was a choice then I would feel the same way, but it's not a choice. I'm addicted to the nicotine. I'd love to be free of that some day.

    I wouldn't choose to do either without that addiction. While vaping is definitely much better than smoking constant inhaling of anything other than air isn't what our lungs were designed for. It may be that vaping is not worse than being exposed to traffic fumes on the way to work every day and it tastes good too, but I'm definitely only doing it for the nicotine.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Is vaping safer than cigarettes- - on one knows- it took 80 plus years to show cigarettes caused lung cancer- the association was known in the 60s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭jonski


    I'd say science could have a good guess though, and so far they are guessing it is safer than smoking by a large margin . They are cheating with their guess-work though, they are using science .

    PS: I'll be dead in 80 years either way . :)

    PPS: You have to die of something :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The issue I would be concerned with is atheroma , and does the use of vaping increase the risk of atheroma , I would say there is little doubt that it is better than smoking with regards to respiratory disease. But as seen with other nicotine delivery mechanisms Eg chewing tobacco there is an increased risk of cancer and atheroma and some studies have shown an increase in myocardial infarction ( heart attack) with smokeless tobacco.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭jonski


    I would assume scientists would have looked at these and compared them to other types of tobacco use . And lets not forget, vaping isn't a tobacco product, it is a nicotine delivery system .



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just always share my experience. Started vaping at well over 20 stone, started playing 5 a side etc and lost a bunch of weight and got up to speed within maybe 10 weeks. The difference in fitness in that short a time was unbelievable, likely because I'd been smoking the last 10 times I tried to get fit. Maybe vaping causes some long-term damage but short-term the obvious physicial improvements are massive. A lad in work (good mate tbh) said the difference in how I looked when I quit drinking was huge but the difference when I switched to vaping was unexpected and pretty damn big as well. Unfortunately the wheels have come off in some ways for me and I'm smoking more than "occasionally" now.

    My mother smoked for 45 years and I got her to try a decent vape and in 3.5 years she's had 2 drags of a cigarette and both times threw it away. Her skin has literally changed colour and her constant wheezing and coughing has pretty much ceased.

    I doubt vaping is "good" for anyone (though may aid clearing the lungs compared to quitting fags cold turkey, just based on experience) but it's certainly a whole lot less bad than smoking.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Vaping is very conclusively "healthier" than smoking tobacco cigarettes.

    It's not as healthy as not vaping.

    It also has other advantages in terms of giving up nicotine completely eventually

    I used to smoke (more than just when drinking but not constantly either)

    Then mostly vaping and some cigarettes

    Then only vaping

    Gave up vaping eventually a few years ago as was just vaping pretty much all day really.

    I found it a lot easier to give up vaping though in the end. It wasn't that difficult at all (for me anyways)


    This is due to ->

    • There is ammonia added to tobacco cigarettes which makes them more addictive


    • There are MAO Inhibitors in tobacco smoke which make tobacco smoking more addictive and harder to give up

    Nicotine is the major neuroactive compound of tobacco, which has, by itself, weak reinforcing properties. It is known that levels of the enzymes monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A) and MAO-B are reduced in the platelets and brains of smokers and that substances, other than nicotine, present in tobacco smoke have MAO-inhibitory activities.

    Here, we report that inhibition of MAO dramatically and specifically increases the motivation to self-administer nicotine in rats. These effects were more prominent in rats selected for high responsiveness to novelty than in rats with low responsiveness to novelty.

    The results suggest that the inhibition of MAO activity by compounds present in tobacco smoke may combine with nicotine to produce the intense reinforcing properties of cigarette smoking that lead to addiction.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    A while back I saw a scale that the NHS use to show how harmful something is. It went from 0-100. Smoking was 70 something if I remember correctly. It's pretty bad for you.

    Vaping was at 7.


    So, no vaping isn't good for you but it's less damaging than a lot of things. Red meat every day would probably be at a higher risk.


    The three options in order of hard are Smoking, vaping, not smoking or vaping. And there's a huge distance between the first two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I have read a study on the absorption of heavy metals from the ignition coil direct to the bloodstream. The metal content of the coil was not licensed or controlled so across many manufacturers the heavy metal content varies considerably. As it’s a cheap part it comes from cheap sources.

    The below paper summarises many other papers and looked primarily at the metals in the liquids. That’s not the danger. It’s the aerosol as the liquid is heated as it passes over the metal coil. The paper isn’t great at making that point.

    So vaping is a good method of getting off the cigarettes but not good long term.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137911/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tbh a scale of 0-100 is not going to be the most scientific thing ever in the absence of long-term comparative outcome data which can't be said to exist for vaping even now

    It's definitely far far better than smoking but there are also other factors to consider.

    Another factor that I would mention as a former smoker then vaper then former vaper is what I would called the "crossover" effect into other areas of your life

    When I really started vaping more juice I noticed that I would be less inclined to do intensive exercise like running if I had vaped.

    For one thing it was very noticeable if you vaped on the day before going for a run.

    Vaping causes some lung inflammation and this was 100% noticeable - particularly for the first few miles of a run and you'd be less likely to go for a run after vaping to begin with.

    So it definitely reduced the amount of exercise that I was doing.

    In the same way that tobacco smokers would not be into a lot of healthy exercise full stop.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I noticed the opposite. I'm a pretty fast walker. I slowed down after a smoke. And there was no hope of me running. After I started vaping my morning cough disappeared and I did the couch to 5k.


    Weirdly I as referred to a consultant pulmonologist when I was smoking. The referral took so long (years) that the tests started when I was smoking and finished when I was vaping a few years. And I finally had a call with him about two months ago. My lungs are better than most peoples my age. He asked if I was smoking and I said I was vaping. He said I should give it up but whatever I did, do not go near smoking :)



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