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Incredible Miz promo on Talking Smack

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  • 24-08-2016 11:22am
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭


    Miz & Daniel Bryan had a great segment on talking smack last night, that ended up with Daniel Bryan walking off the set.

    Daniel basically said that he felt Miz wrestles like a coward, which led to Miz exploding (in shoot fashion), calling Bryan the coward for promising to the fans that he would be back to fight for the IC title, but retired instead. He told him to leave and go wrestle in a Bingo Hall.

    Renee Young and Maryse looked very awkward throughout. May have been a worked shoot mind.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Given it was the close of the show, it was obviously a work, but that doesn't make it any less tremendous. You can watch it here:

    https://streamable.com/yvwz

    Considering how bad Miz has been much of the past few years, it does again show that if you just let guys speak from the heart (and I'm sure Miz was - he's close to tears) they are much more captivating then spouting whatever garbage has been written for them

    Anyone wanting further proof, go and watch Dean Ambrose in his foam blue hat on Smackdown.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    According to Mauro Ranalo, the new sets used on Raw and Smackdown this week are perms ant changes. Even though Raw was a re-use of the Summerslam set, both looked really awesome and different to each other so really happy if true.
    They are what sorry?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Miz & Daniel Bryan had a great segment on talking smack last night, that ended up with Daniel Bryan walking off the set.

    Daniel basically said that he felt Miz wrestles like a coward, which led to Miz exploding (in shoot fashion), calling Bryan the coward for promising to the fans that he would be back to fight for the IC title, but retired instead. He told him to leave and go wrestle in a Bingo Hall.

    Renee Young and Maryse looked very awkward throughout. May have been a worked shoot mind.

    I loved it, especially the bingo hall part. Just shows how good The Miz can be if you use him right and let him speak his mind. Be interesting to see what this interview does for The Miz in the next coming weeks, obviously him and DB can't wrestle but can have verbal altercations but who can they get to feud with The Miz.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    MrMac84 wrote: »
    They are what sorry?

    Permanent changes, they are the new sets from now on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    Permanent changes, they are the new sets from now on.

    Same set as on the first Raw after the split ya? Is smackdown stage same? I haven't watched it yet


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    MrMac84 wrote: »
    Same set as on the first Raw after the split ya? Is smackdown stage same? I haven't watched it yet
    No, Smackdown has a different stage to Raw now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,985 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    That was brilliant by Miz.

    He's so much better as a heel and is one of the few that can cut very good, natural promos.

    His promo on JBL after he won the US title was similarly brilliant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Miz is a boss, carrying three titles like that.... AWESOME!!!

    the-miz-pictures-16.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    That was terrible. He still sounded like he was reading from a script.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    That was terrible. He still sounded like he was reading from a script.

    Bullsh*t. That was pure passion.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    An File wrote: »
    Bullsh*t. That was pure passion.
    Sounded and looked lame to me. Like he practised it before, and he was still flubbing his lines. It screams "worked shoot", and a bad one at that.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Mod Note: Split this off from the news thread and added the video to the top post!

    Thought it was the best thing Miz has ever done. Bryan was insulting the 'entertainment' part of his wrestling style and Miz twisted that 'coward' jab into an incredible heart-felt promo demanding respect. Wow. Loved it. Finally something must-see from Miz.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Sounded and looked lame to me. Like he practised it before, and he was still flubbing his lines. It screams "worked shoot", and a bad one at that.
    Don't think he flubbed his lines actually, it made it sound like he was so angry he was searching for words. How red he got in the face, how passionate he was, brilliant. Brilliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭johnnysmack


    Sounded and looked lame to me. Like he practised it before, and he was still flubbing his lines. It screams "worked shoot", and a bad one at that.

    Whadda we got here....a hater...we gotta hater over here


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    That was really excellent. More of that WWE. its not hard, you just have to not do it all the time and make your stories actually mean something instead of "AND THIS WEEK A IS CHALLENGING B BECAUSE A WANTS THE WWE UNIVERSE TO RESPECT HIM! WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN!" - no, you put some passion and pride and thought into it. Fair play to Miz, work or shoot he pulled it off brilliantly while staying bang on true to his character.

    and to that person saying he flubbed his lines and whatnot, the f**k?


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,552 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    As one of Miz's biggest critics around here, I thought it was a very good promo from him. (I wouldn't call it incredible though. That adjective should be reserved for the likes of Jake Roberts and Ric Flair and in their era, this promo would have been considered the norm.)

    Plus I'm not convinced anything substantial can come from it since the guy he had the promo with is on the shelf, plus Miz's character isn't the kind of character that is going to go out there and all of a sudden be a tough guy on the back of this promo. He is a cowardly wrestler as Bryan said; that's his schtick.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    Would love it to work up to Bryan getting someone to wrestle for him, Samoa Joe would fit the bill perfectly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    Don't think he flubbed his lines actually, it made it sound like he was so angry he was searching for words. How red he got in the face, how passionate he was, brilliant. Brilliant.
    Doesn't matter how red his faces gets, if he still sounds fake and like a douche, like Miz always does.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Miz can run his mouth but when he wrestles he can't do it in a convincing way. Probably because he is mainly WWE trained and they work soft.

    That is and always was his problem. He would be a mutli-time WWE champ if he could convincingly perform in the ring.

    Cena and Batista got away with it because they were huge and could perform a big impressive move to get themselves over. But their strikes and a lot of their moves look weak.

    I like the Miz as a character. From Miz and Morrison, to US Champ to MITB and WWE champ. He deserved and earned those spots but as his wrestling was mediocre other people could catch and pass him out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    problem with this is that it wasn't on the live show, so it's unlikely that anything will come of it.
    if Vince was to have his say we'd probably have the return of the Honk-a-meter.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Doesn't matter how red his faces gets, if he still sounds fake and like a douche, like Miz always does.

    play_themiz_576.jpg
    DM_7 wrote: »
    Miz can run his mouth but when he wrestles he can't do it in a convincing way. Probably because he is mainly WWE trained and they work soft.

    Not soft think smart. Look at the injury record of the guys who come in and probably squeak past the medical. Not great reading. WWE like guys they can rely on plus he's bags of personality which is hard to come by now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    Miz tripped over his words once or twice but it was inconsequential by then, he had gotten his point across. I liked how he kept going well after Bryan walked, it was a proper rant.

    Hopefully they run with it and we get less of the fake Spielberg call crap.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    ERG89 wrote: »
    Not soft think smart. Look at the injury record of the guys who come in and probably squeak past the medical. Not great reading. WWE like guys they can rely on plus he's bags of personality which is hard to come by now

    The WWE trained guys do work soft on striking. Lots of them still get injured doing more complex moves, moves required for the part of the card they reach. Cena, Batista and Orton all got lots of injuries, they have to work longer matches the higher the card they go.

    Miz has had lots of time off, lots of time on TV without wrestling and lots of his matches were down the card with little time to do much. He doesn't have huge mileage compared to others. That is fine.

    The issue with the experienced guys coming in is that they were left outside WWE for SO long. They had a policy of mainly recruiting muscle guys and they failed to train enough talent internally so had to turn to the guys they overlooked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,677 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    Miz tripped over his words once or twice but it was inconsequential by then, he had gotten his point across. I liked how he kept going well after Bryan walked, it was a proper rant.

    Hopefully they run with it and we get less of the fake Spielberg call crap.

    They could play that off as him being so enraged and angry.

    The scripted stuff isn't the problem it's the fact that the majority of superstars both male and female can't take what they are given and put the things in their own words/ put their own spin on it and make it seem like it isn't them just parroting it back on camera.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    DM_7 wrote: »
    The WWE trained guys do work soft on striking. Lots of them still get injured doing more complex moves, moves required for the part of the card they reach. Cena, Batista and Orton all got lots of injuries, they have to work longer matches the higher the card they go.

    Miz has had lots of time off, lots of time on TV without wrestling and lots of his matches were down the card with little time to do much. He doesn't have huge mileage compared to others. That is fine.

    The issue with the experienced guys coming in is that they were left outside WWE for SO long. They had a policy of mainly recruiting muscle guys and they failed to train enough talent internally so had to turn to the guys they overlooked.

    Yeah Cena & those are far bigger than Miz, he's hardly even comparative in physique. He gets his character. It'd look unconvincing if he was throwing kicks and strikes like I dunno Low Ki or doing old Jerry Lynn spots?
    I'm not sure what you mean by soft striking as surely the idea is to not go in the ring and hit hard....unless you want to make a shorter career.
    WWE also leave the lads pissing into the wind down in NXT in their peak years after signing them too.
    Not his fault that Miz has less mileage, helps he is smart enough to know and perform a promo can do more to get attention than a long TV match with Cesaro or Sheamus that fills time rather than anything productive cause thats what most of these long TV matches are essentially doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭The Showstopper


    It was very interesting that Bryan talked about wwe not letting him wrestle and the wwe soft style, doesn't sound like things wwe would want being mentioned. It was almost as if they were working themselves into a shoot with some of those lines.

    This is stating the obvious probably, but I think what made the promo so good is, like a lot of great storylines/characters in wrestling, that it was based on reality. It must be frustrating for Miz with how much he still gets criticised. Go back to the fatal four way at extreme rules and a lot of people commenting that they were excited for cesaro, zayn and owens but not wanting miz in with them, at least that's what I remember.

    Another point that's being made here before, these network shows are brilliant for character development, with talent getting the opportunity to show more personality by having much more freedom in what they say than on tv.

    Now I just hope something positive comes from that promo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Sounded and looked lame to me. Like he practised it before, and he was still flubbing his lines. It screams "worked shoot", and a bad one at that.

    This always amuses me, nothing like being the smartest guy in the room by calling 'worked shoot'. Isn't everything in wrestling a worked shoot? Or is the rest of it a worked, erm, work? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Frank O. Pinion


    Monokne wrote: »
    This always amuses me, nothing like being the smartest guy in the room by calling 'worked shoot'. Isn't everything in wrestling a worked shoot? Or is the rest of it a worked, erm, work? :D
    You know I was quoting someone using the term "worked shoot", right? It's used in the very first post of this thread. Why didn't you call out others who used the term? I mean, it's a term that exists, for better or worse. You know exactly what it means, what it's used to imply. That Bryan/Miz segment was a worked shoot. A bad one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Looper007


    Now I just hope something positive comes from that promo.

    Miz as WWE Champion would be the biggest positive for him, meh not for me to be honest but he has his fans. I never quite can take the Miz serious for some reason. Want AJ styles to have a long run with the title once he gets it.

    For me something positive would be having Bryan turn into a heel GM imo, just have him as a embittered ex wrestler who blames WWE for not letting him wrestle. Have him bring up Samoa Joe as his enforcer, just beat down anyone who attempts to stand up to him. Then it lead to a feud with Shane Mcmahon and Bryan for Smackdown. The biggest problem would people boo Bryan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭angryIreGamer


    Good promo is good.

    Genuine shocker in wwe - especially with some of the **** Miz does actually get.


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