Another mentally ill man attacks train passengers

Smondie

Two teens seriously injured as knifeman attacks passengers on train in Austria

It comes after a man attacked passengers on a crowded Swiss train with a knife and burning liquid on Saturday, leaving him and one of his victims dead.




http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/two-teens-seriously-injured-as-knifeman-attacks-passengers-on-train-in-austria-34969701.html



We can't be letting lads run round attacking people on trains.

Why the increase in attacks?
What's the solution?

Would airport style security prevent these incidents?

howamidifferent

s'all the video games fault.

PTH2009

Crazy and it's something that could happen here

There are a lot of unstable people walking the streets in Ireland. They think people are laughing at them, looking at them, talking about them etc

ClovenHoof

We need more Halal train services.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Smondie wrote: »

Two teens seriously injured as knifeman attacks passengers on train in Austria

It comes after a man attacked passengers on a crowded Swiss train with a knife and burning liquid on Saturday, leaving him and one of his victims dead.




http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/two-teens-seriously-injured-as-knifeman-attacks-passengers-on-train-in-austria-34969701.html



We can't be letting lads run round attacking people on trains.

Why the increase in attacks?
What's the solution?

Would airport style security prevent these incidents?

Is there an increase in the attacks or an increase in the reporting? I wonder how many attacks like this went unreported before the Daesh related attacks. Looks like the media is reporting everything at the moment and then adding suggestive sentences at the end of the report, something like this; "In June a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a wine bar and injured 11 others" or some other bullshít. These attacks are not related, but we will relate them anyway because fear is a newspapers best friend.

If you want the security of an Airport (not very secure pre security checks) then you will make public transport unusable due to high costs. Train tickets are already fairly pricey as it is.

Hilarious, I read the tripe article after posting the above, low and behold the "journalist" states the following;

"Last year, a heavily armed gunman opened fire on a high-speed Amsterdam to Paris train but was overpowered by two young American servicemen and their companion."

Apart from Trains, wtf has this got to do with the original story?

hatrickpatrick

PTH2009 wrote: »

Crazy and it's something that could happen here

There are a lot of unstable people walking the streets in Ireland. They think people are laughing at them, looking at them, talking about them etc

In fairness they're easy to spot and generally give a very clear advance warning, in the form of yelling "WHAT DA FUQ ARE YEWWWWWWWWWW LOOKIN' AH?" extremely loudly and belligerently from a distance.

Uncle Ben

Smondie wrote: »

Two teens seriously injured as knifeman attacks passengers on train in Austria

It comes after a man attacked passengers on a crowded Swiss train with a knife and burning liquid on Saturday, leaving him and one of his victims dead.




http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/two-teens-seriously-injured-as-knifeman-attacks-passengers-on-train-in-austria-34969701.html



We can't be letting lads run round attacking people on trains.

Why the increase in attacks?
What's the solution?

Would airport style security prevent these incidents?

I'd say it's the free travel pass. Just encourages these mad fcukers. 🙌

smash

Smondie wrote: »

We can't be letting lads run round attacking people on trains.

https://twitter.com/gardatraffic/status/579584828254867456

PARlance

Uncle Ben wrote: »

I'd say it's the free travel pass. Just encourages these mad fcukers. 🙌

I've been stuck beside some OAPs who tried to talk me to death.

Badly Drunk Boy

Dario Abundant Spine wrote: »

Is there an increase in the attacks or an increase in the reporting? I wonder how many attacks like this went unreported before the Daesh related attacks. Looks like the media is reporting everything at the moment and then adding suggestive sentences at the end of the report, something like this; "In June a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a wine bar and injured 11 others" or some other bullshít. These attacks are not related, but we will relate them anyway because fear is a newspapers best friend.

I agree. And the combination of every incident being reporting on Twitter and the like, which would probably have only been known locally, and the lazy 'journalism' which scoops up these incidents and creates a frenzy about them, only adds to it. Sometimes I reckon these stories create as much terror (at least in this part of the world) as ISIS and other such organisations.

Your Face

Smondie wrote: »

We can't be letting lads run round attacking people on trains.

Sure ye can't be at that lads.

Johngoose

They might have to rethink free travel for mentally unstable people.

My name is URL

Smondie wrote: »

Would airport style security prevent these incidents?

Shur lets have armed special ops police at every bus stop in the continent too

Johngoose

Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves could cash in on all this.

Johngoose

Hollywood will be licking its lips

Widdershins

Bloomin' Norwegians.

Dyr

You make a pact with every other person in your carriage that any nuttiness will be kicked to death en masse

Failure to honour the pact will result in a kicking also.

OAP's etc are not expected to take active part but must shout encouragment should it be required

Widdershins

Bambi wrote: »

You make a pact with every other person in your carriage that any nuttiness will be kicked to death en masse

Failure to honour the pact will result in a kicking also.

OAP's etc are not expected to take active part but must shout encouragment should it be required

OAPs can get a few vicious jabs in from a safe distance with their sticks.

conorhal

Dario Abundant Spine wrote: »

Is there an increase in the attacks or an increase in the reporting? I wonder how many attacks like this went unreported before the Daesh related attacks. Looks like the media is reporting everything at the moment and then adding suggestive sentences at the end of the report, something like this; "In June a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a wine bar and injured 11 others" or some other bullshít. These attacks are not related, but we will relate them anyway because fear is a newspapers best friend.

If you want the security of an Airport (not very secure pre security checks) then you will make public transport unusable due to high costs. Train tickets are already fairly pricey as it is.

Hilarious, I read the tripe article after posting the above, low and behold the "journalist" states the following;

"Last year, a heavily armed gunman opened fire on a high-speed Amsterdam to Paris train but was overpowered by two young American servicemen and their companion."

Apart from Trains, wtf has this got to do with the original story?

Whataboutery, that's what this story is really about, that and crafting a political narrative. You see it on contentious threads here all the time, and just like those posters that trawl the net for ‘related, but not involving a terrorist stories’, the press is attempting to normalise Islamist attacks by publishing a story about an attack by a mentally ill pensioner and not so subtly equating one with the other.
The Journal tried to be a bit more subtle by linking the story to the Swiss attack earlier in the week in a feeble effort to further imply that earlier attack was probably unrelated to Islamist violence (without a shred of evidence about the earlier attack either way).
This is the media attempting to form a 'nothing to see here' narrative, which, just like the mass sexual assaults on the continent, is likely to blow up in their faces.

ScumLord

PTH2009 wrote: »

Crazy and it's something that could happen here

There are a lot of unstable people walking the streets in Ireland. They think people are laughing at them, looking at them, talking about them etc

The existence of this thread would kind of support their theories.

Autonomous Cowherd

It does seem as if there is increased reporting of these incidents. 30 years ago I had a man pull a knife on me and try to stab me on a train in Spain, and only for I ran into a carriage with a door I could lock I would have been done for, and in another incident 30 years ago on a high speed German train a filthy evil-looking vagrant trapped me alone in a carriage and masturbated and I could hardly get a police man to pay a blind bit of notice when I tried to report it afterwards. Trains, I tells ya!

Herb Powell

conorhal wrote: »

Whataboutery, that's what this story is really about, that and crafting a political narrative. You see it on contentious threads here all the time, and just like those posters that trawl the net for ‘related, but not involving a terrorist stories’, the press is attempting to normalise Islamist attacks by publishing a story about an attack by a mentally ill pensioner and not so subtly equating one with the other.
The Journal tried to be a bit more subtle by linking the story to the Swiss attack earlier in the week in a feeble effort to further imply that earlier attack was probably unrelated to Islamist violence (without a shred of evidence about the earlier attack either way).
This is the media attempting to form a 'nothing to see here' narrative, which, just like the mass sexual assaults on the continent, is likely to blow up in their faces.

So you're saying by reporting incidents as islamic terrorism, they're covering up islamic terrorist acts??

You people are fuccking unbelievable, fucck this.

ScumLord

EndaIsMyDealer wrote: »

The Indy is a liberal centre left newspaper. Are you accusing them of scaremongering now too? Hilarious. Soon anything to the right of The Guardian will be considered 'far right scaremoners!'

It's got nothing to do with left or right side politics. All media outlets use scaremongering to sell, because that's what people will pay for.

conorhal

Herb Powell wrote: »

So you're saying by reporting incidents as islamic terrorism, they're covering up islamic terrorist acts??

You people are fuccking unbelievable, fucck this.

Unbelievable is your willingness to suck up propaganda, but I suppose there is no lie easier to sell then the ones people are most eager to believe.
The point of both articles was to draw a false equivalence, a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none. Otherwise why link two the two events, and what are the articles trying to say what by doing so?

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Samaris

conorhal wrote: »

Whataboutery, that's what this story is really about, that and crafting a political narrative. You see it on contentious threads here all the time, and just like those posters that trawl the net for ‘related, but not involving a terrorist stories’, the press is attempting to normalise Islamist attacks by publishing a story about an attack by a mentally ill pensioner and not so subtly equating one with the other.
The Journal tried to be a bit more subtle by linking the story to the Swiss attack earlier in the week in a feeble effort to further imply that earlier attack was probably unrelated to Islamist violence (without a shred of evidence about the earlier attack either way).
This is the media attempting to form a 'nothing to see here' narrative, which, just like the mass sexual assaults on the continent, is likely to blow up in their faces.

Weeell, looking at this thread, the OP started it off with the usual jibes implying it was a terrorist attack/Islamist/etcetera.*

Apparently neither he nor anyone else read the damn article in which the guy was identified as a German man in his sixties with "no migration background"** who was, in fact, mentally ill.

The reason these stories are getting reported so much? It's because the people that love to be afraid keep lapping them up without so much as a question. And yes, they do actually have to specify these days whether or not something is an Islamist attack, because people are far too willing to do ISIS' work for them by winding themselves into a tizzy every time someone commits a crime in case a burqa is involved. It's a shame that ISIS have to keep getting more airtime because of the malicious or lazy people that can't do a bit of research, but there you have it.

No-one's denying the terrorist attacks. Just some of us are getting fed up with having random crime rammed down our throats so someone can get off on the "cultural diversity" cracks.

Edit: *Actually, I take that back, I misread a word in the opening post. It can apply to a good 80% of the rest of the thread though!
**quote from another article referencing the attack. Both specified he was a German national, however. Won't deny that there's a possibility of his being a second or third generation immigrant, but given his age, it seems unlikely.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

EndaIsMyDealer wrote: »

The Indy is a liberal centre left newspaper. Are you accusing them of scaremongering now too? Hilarious. Soon anything to the right of The Guardian will be considered 'far right scaremoners!'

Yea, yea I am. I don't know where abouts on the scale of righ/left a newspaper is, nor do I give two shíts really. A tabloid rag of a paper like the "Indy" cares about one thing and one thing only, revenue.

Smondie

Samaris wrote: »

Weeell, looking at this thread, the OP started it off with the usual jibes implying it was a terrorist attack/Islamist/etcetera.*

Apparently neither he nor anyone else read the damn article in which the guy was identified as a German man in his sixties with "no migration background"** who was, in fact, mentally ill.

The reason these stories are getting reported so much? It's because the people that love to be afraid keep lapping them up without so much as a question. And yes, they do actually have to specify these days whether or not something is an Islamist attack, because people are far too willing to do ISIS' work for them by winding themselves into a tizzy every time someone commits a crime in case a burqa is involved. It's a shame that ISIS have to keep getting more airtime because of the malicious or lazy people that can't do a bit of research, but there you have it.

No-one's denying the terrorist attacks. Just some of us are getting fed up with having random crime rammed down our throats so someone can get off on the "cultural diversity" cracks.

Edit: *Actually, I take that back, I misread a word in the opening post. It can apply to a good 80% of the rest of the thread though!
**quote from another article referencing the attack. Both specified he was a German national, however. Won't deny that there's a possibility of his being a second or third generation immigrant, but given his age, it seems unlikely.

Op here I never mention, implied or anything else about Islam either in the opening post or the thread title. In fact mentally ill is in the thread title. Ironic you give out about people not reading stuff.

Cerisepink

I for one am absolutely sick of reading threads like this. The world has always been a crazy sick place, the only difference now is that we hear about every single terrible thing that happens so much so that I actively avoid reading news like this. I didn't read the article. What good is reading and talking about this story unless to instil more fear and paranoia? The fact that the man was mentally ill just makes this a sad but still rare event. Is this like the other thread asking what should be done with mentally ill people? Jesus where will it end.

Samaris

Smondie wrote: »

Op here I never mention, implied or anything else about Islam either in the opening post or the thread title. In fact mentally ill is in the thread title. Ironic you give out about people not reading stuff.

Yes, I edited and retracted that in the first footnote at 19.07.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Smondie wrote: »

What's the solution?

Would airport style security prevent these incidents?

Martin Blunt, is that you?

Not really a great deal you can do about it. You want to set up seucirty at trains? Metro/Luas stops? Busses?

And how do you think it;s going to be funded? You'll be the first one up in arms when the cost of your ticket skyrockets.

DanMurphy

Bambi wrote: »

You make a pact with every other person in your carriage that any nuttiness will be kicked to death en masse

Failure to honour the pact will result in a kicking also.

OAP's etc are not expected to take active part but must shout encouragment should it be required

Easy to generalize about people, i.e. like OAPs for instance (even in jest as in this case,)
I'm an OAP, as you put it, aged 67 to be exact, someone who was reared in the hard old days, spent 30 years in the Army and am still reasonably fit and healthy.
You never know who's sitting beside you on that bus or train, if and when **** happens. If it was me on the bus, I'd rather depend on some of the other 'OAP's I know, than some modern day Mammy's hand - reared boys who'd probably burst into tears at the sight of real violence.

Just sayin' like

PucaMama

PTH2009 wrote: »

Crazy and it's something that could happen here

There are a lot of unstable people walking the streets in Ireland. They think people are laughing at them, looking at them, talking about them etc

Judging by the behaviour I see every day a lot of people are doing all that.

Widdershins

DanMurphy wrote: »

Easy to generalize about people, i.e. like OAPs for instance (even in jest as in this case,)
I'm an OAP, as you put it, aged 67 to be exact, someone who was reared in the hard old days, spent 30 years in the Army and am still reasonably fit and healthy.
You never know who's sitting beside you on that bus or train, if and when **** happens. If it was me on the bus, I'd rather depend on some of the other 'OAP's I know, than some modern day Mammy's hand - reared boys who'd probably burst into tears at the sight of real violence.

Just sayin' like

Scarily accurate. Rugged manliness being as unpopular as it is I don't know who would stick up for a victim in such a situation.

biko

If only the other passengers would have had some guns...

Widdershins

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Martin Blunt, is that you?

Not really a great deal you can do about it. You want to set up seucirty at trains? Metro/Luas stops? Busses?

And how do you think it;s going to be funded? You'll be the first one up in arms when the cost of your ticket skyrockets.

I don't know the ins and outs of security or how it's done/how easy it is but I would be willing to accept the increased cost of tickets, if necessary..I wonder if many people who want increased security would be bothered by a price hike? I can only speak for myself..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Widdershins wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Martin Blunt, is that you?

Not really a great deal you can do about it. You want to set up seucirty at trains? Metro/Luas stops? Busses?

And how do you think it;s going to be funded? You'll be the first one up in arms when the cost of your ticket skyrockets.

I don't know the ins and outs of security or how it's done/how easy it is but I would be willing to accept the increased cost of tickets, if necessary..I wonder if many people who want increased security would be bothered by a price hike? I can only speak for myself..

No, because it's a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that isn't going to be solved.

Why do you think this could only happen on trains? What makes you think it couldn't happen on a bus? Or even walking down the street?

Widdershins

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No, because it's a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that isn't going to be solved.

Why do you think this could only happen on trains? What makes you think it couldn't happen on a bus? Or even walking down the street?

Well I was talking about the people who do want increased security. Obviously if you think it's unnecessary you won't accept price hikes.
Can't say I've thought about it, only commented off-hand.

Samaris

Widdershins wrote: »

Scarily accurate. Rugged manliness being as unpopular as it is I don't know who would stick up for a victim in such a situation.

Always in these situations, one's own rugged manliness is never in doubt, of course.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Widdershins wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No, because it's a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that isn't going to be solved.

Why do you think this could only happen on trains? What makes you think it couldn't happen on a bus? Or even walking down the street?

Well I was talking about the people who do want increased security. Obviously if you think it's unnecessary you won't accept price hikes.
Can't say I've thought about it, only commented off-hand.

Kinda makes my point aboutcs knee-jerk reaction - but my point is it's a very false security.

If someone with a mental illness or a terrorist wants to pick up a knife and go on a stab a few innocent people, it's going to happen. Theyll just do it somewhere else.

_Whimsical_

Maybe there is a need for a consensus among members of the public that when it's one person with a gun, knife, whatever, that they probably can be overpowered by enough other people. That as many people as possible step forward and act in these situations rather than run, or as happens now film it on their phone.

In the attack last year in the London Underground where a man with a sword tried to seriously injure someone there was a news report afterwards with a man who did step forward and in part foiled the attack. He said he was surrounded by other onlooking men and expected when he stepped in that others would follow but instead they stood around filming on their phones and left him alone to confront the attacker. He said the attacker could have easily been overpowered by just 2 or 3 more men. One man interviewed who had stood videoing the attack said he stayed and filmed it because he thought the footage would be useful to the police later.

It seems like these attacks by mentally ill people are becoming a phenomenon similar to hysteria, where people in the grip of mental illness are very suggestible and the expression of their distress will manifest itself in the way their culture or environment reflects back to them is how it's done.

Surely if people became more likely to step in it would give pause for thought for the majority of the lone attackers we've seen recently, like teenagers and mentally ill people. It would and should seem more a sure fire route to public humiliation and physical injury than a chance to play scary attacker/jihadi.

Widdershins

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Kinda makes my point aboutcs knee-jerk reaction - but my point is it's a very false security.

If someone with a mental illness or a terrorist wants to pick up a knife and go on a stab a few innocent people, it's going to happen. Theyll just do it somewhere else.

How on earth did it make your point? Asking a mild question is not knee jerk..
There was no knee jerk. I respect that you don't see a need for extra security, and wondered if those who do are prepared to pay for it.
When and where best to implement is a completely different topic for another thread.

Samaris

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Maybe there is a need for a consensus among members of the public that when it's one person with a gun, knife, whatever, that they probably can be overpowered by enough other people. That as many people as possible step forward and act in these situations rather than run, or as happens now film it on their phone.

An issue with that is that no-one knows how they're react in a situation like that. If I saw someone with a knife attacking people on a train or whatever, I would like to -think- that I'd try to help/stop it. I have some slight evidence that I -do- step into stupidly dangerous situations if someone's in trouble, but I've never been confronted with...okay, I have had the knife thing, but I've definitely never been confronted with a gun. Or someone actually stabbing people with said knife. I can -say- "yes, people must attack these people and put a stop to them", but until and unless I am actually in that situation*, it's nothing but words.

*I'd really prefer not to be, thanks!

Samaris

Samaris wrote: »

An issue with that is that no-one knows how they're react in a situation like that. If I saw someone with a knife attacking people on a train or whatever, I would like to -think- that I'd try to help/stop it. I have some slight evidence that I -do- step into stupidly dangerous situations if someone's in trouble, but I've never been confronted with...okay, I have had the knife thing, but I've definitely never been confronted with a gun. Or someone actually stabbing people with said knife. I can -say- "yes, people must attack these people and put a stop to them", but until and unless I am actually in that situation*, it's nothing but words.

*I'd really prefer not to be, thanks!

No-one knows til it happens, even then ya can't always be sure. I've run when there was no need to, I've stepped in after a pint when seeing someone get bottled and it was nothing to do with me. Sometimes it flips one way, sometimes the other. I avoid fighting as much as I can though because I tend to lose control and I'm not small.

Samaris

Deleted User wrote: »

No-one knows til it happens, even then ya can't always be sure. I've run when there was no need to, I've stepped in after a pint when seeing someone get bottled and it was nothing to do with me. Sometimes it flips one way, sometimes the other. I avoid fighting as much as I can though because I tend to lose control and I'm not small.

No harm in survival instincts! I will and have used that I am female in weighing up the odds. In one case, it worked in my favour, because the large bloke whaling the **** out of the smaller stunned bleeding guy didn't want to thump a teenage girl in a pink skirt because rly, that's not going to do anything for his cred :P I might have had more issues as a male there, as that guy outweighed me (and a hypothetical male me) by LOTS. Other situations, being female has worked against me. I doubt it would make any difference in the sorts of situations we're talking about here though. I'm no fighter, so I tend to be the one to get into the middle of it and try to calm the situation, which doesn't work with either terrorist attacks or someone being off their heads. I also don't think Tactic Two (a thorough scolding - hey, it's worked before for me ) would be particularly helpful either.

Sooo, realistically I can conclude that I'd either stay back or get stabbed. Or both.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Widdershins wrote: »

How on earth did it make your point? Asking a mild question is not knee jerk..
There was no knee jerk. I respect that you don't see a need for extra security, and wondered if those who do are prepared to pay for it.
When and where best to implement is a completely different topic for another thread.

There have been two or three attacks in the last few weeks around Europe. The immediate reactions is a sudden claim for the nessecity of metal-detectors and security on every train and metro in Europe (which is what was queried in the opening post). That is most certainly a knee-jerk reaction.

You're never going to be completely safe or immune from this happenign to you.

Widdershins

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There have been two or three attacks in the last few weeks around Europe. The immediate reactions is a sudden claim for the nessecity of metal-detectors and security on every train and metro in Europe (which is what was queried in the opening post). That is most certainly a knee-jerk reaction.

You're never going to be completely safe or immune from this happenign to you.

I'm not debating the necessity for extra security and didn't say anything about metal detectors etc. I had no knee jerk reaction. I was working on the basis of some people wanting security, and not questioning the sense of that, only whether they would be ok with paying for it. Their minds are made up, I'm not interested in putting them down or proving them wrong.

_Whimsical_

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There have been two or three attacks in the last few weeks around Europe. The immediate reactions is a sudden claim for the nessecity of metal-detectors and security on every train and metro in Europe (which is what was queried in the opening post). That is most certainly a knee-jerk reaction.

You're never going to be completely safe or immune from this happening to you.

The greatest safety should lie in knowing there's usually tens or hundreds of people around and that they will step in and help if something does happen. It should also be the greatest deterrent for would be attackers. Not just for terrorism but for violence in general too.

Samaris wrote: »

An issue with that is that no-one knows how they're react in a situation like that. If I saw someone with a knife attacking people on a train or whatever, I would like to -think- that I'd try to help/stop it. I have some slight evidence that I -do- step into stupidly dangerous situations if someone's in trouble, but I've never been confronted with...okay, I have had the knife thing, but I've definitely never been confronted with a gun. Or someone actually stabbing people with said knife. I can -say- "yes, people must attack these people and put a stop to them", but until and unless I am actually in that situation*, it's nothing but words.

*I'd really prefer not to be, thanks!

Yup I agree with you. I don't know exactly how I'd react either. I think it would be easier to step in though if we lived in a society where you were absolutely confident others would join in.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Widdershins wrote: »

I'm not debating the necessity for extra security and didn't say anything about metal detectors etc. I had no knee jerk reaction. I was working on the basis of some people wanting security, and not questioning the sense of that, only whether they would be ok with paying for it. Their minds are made up, I'm not interested in putting them down or proving them wrong.

Fair enough. Didn't mean it to be come across as being personal

But the OP mention mealt secuirty which startde it all. And my poitn was that it's going to cost money and not make people any safer.

mickstupp

Thread title is disgusting.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

mickstupp wrote: »

Thread title is disgusting.

How so?