One of the biggest cover ups in history

Reiver

Is it possible that the Black Death was really a cover up for a zombie outbreak, an onslaught of the walking dead? The symptoms are all there and it would help explain why the epidemic spread so fast and voraciously, the population of the world was hit hard by it. What do people think?

seamus

Who covered up it, and why?

Fuzzytrooper

The saucer people in conjunction with the reverse vampires.

Butters1979

1. The Black Death or the pubonic plague still exists today. We have clear scientific evidence that it exists and what it can do to a population without the medical science to fight it.

2. We have clear biological scientifically knowledge to understand that zombies cannot exist.

I'm sure this thread was just for a bit of fun though. So let's say it was a cover up. Do you mean it was covered up at the time or later in history. And why?

Jawgap

seamus wrote: »

Who covered up it, and why?

The Illuminati......no, wait, the Masons.....no, wait the Knights Templar......or all of the above!

:D:D:D

My understanding of plague is that there's not much walking involved when it strikes you down

Letree

I don't think you are on to something there

wally79

Butters1979 wrote: »

the pubonic plague

This conversation could get hairy

InTheTrees

Butters1979 wrote: »

1. The Black Death or the pubonic plague still exists today.

That would be the terrifying condition of not being able to find a pub? Thats why zombies stagger so much and have that far away stare.

Glenster

Reiver wrote: »

Is it possible that the Black Death was really a cover up for a zombie outbreak, an onslaught of the walking dead? The symptoms are all there and it would help explain why the epidemic spread so fast and voraciously, the population of the world was hit hard by it. What do people think?

It all adds up.

Mystery solved. Pub anyone?

looksee

What did the walking dead die of, and why did they suddenly all decide to get up?

Why did so many people die, were they the walking dead, or were they killed by zombies? Which came first? How does a zombie kill someone?

ohnonotgmail

InTheTrees wrote: »

That would be the terrifying condition of not being able to find a pub? Thats why zombies stagger so much and have that far away stare.

surely that would be their state AFTER leaving the pub?

ohnonotgmail

looksee wrote: »

What did the walking dead die of, and why did they suddenly all decide to get up?

Why did so many people die, were they the walking dead, or were they killed by zombies? Which came first? How does a zombie kill someone?

they crack open their skulls and feast on the goo inside.

Wibbs

Butters1979 wrote: »

pubonic plague

Fúck. That. :eek::eek::eek: *injects industrial strength antibiotics in gluteus*

Widdershins

Plagues probably inspired zombie / revenant legends

Pac1Man

Nobody ever landed on the moon.

Jawgap

Butters1979 wrote: »

1. The Black Death or the pubonic plague still exists today......

InTheTrees wrote: »

That would be the terrifying condition of not being able to find a pub? Thats why zombies stagger so much and have that far away stare.

No, it's victims can be seen most weekends staggering away from Coppers - mostly Dublin lads who've hooked up with GAA groupies up for d'match.

The only other time I've seen guys with that dead stare in their eyes was in the 'Nam

"The thousand-yard stare. A Marine gets it after he's been in the **** for too long. It's like you've really seen...beyond. I got it. All field Marines got it. You'll have it, too."

uck51js9zml2yt

Yes it's possible....end thread or move to conspiracy theories.

Wibbs

In some outbreaks the plague went pneumonic and in that form the infected could go from feeling fine to dead very rapidly. It was reported that this could happen even mid sentence. Septicaemic type is very rapid too. A few hours IIRC. Bubonic can take a few days. If it ever went rogue again because of some random mutation then even modern medicine could be quickly overwhelmed.

There was more than one "plague" too. Chroniclers tended to lump all epidemics under one title. Virulent smallpox was added to the list. There was an odd one sometimes named the sweat or sweating fever that swept across Europe killing loads. Henry the 8th's missus Anne Boleyn barely survived it. Other types appeared to be akin to Ebola, IE haemorrhagic fevers. Another killed horses as well as people for some reason. Europe had rolling yearly plagues and epidemics as part of daily life for over a thousand years. We don't know we're born really. We're very lucky. And lucky too because if you are of European stock you're likely resistant to many fevers that would kill other populations. It's one theory why HIV didn't spread nearly so rapidly here. Indeed there are quite the percentage of Europeans who are essentially immune to the virus.

Fascinating part of history for me.

Reiver

Pac1Man wrote: »

Nobody ever landed on the moon.

Please try to stay on topic.

Duggy747

Jet beams can't melt steel fuel.

CINCLANTFLT

I heard it was covered up by the lads who keep all those secret castles full of goats...

Collie D

Like a lot of modern day conspiracies the Plague was blamed on the Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_Jewish_persecutions

riffmongous

I have a sudden urge to listen to some Iron Maiden after reading through this thread

Your Face

Reiver wrote: »

Is it possible that the Black Death was really a cover up for a zombie outbreak, an onslaught of the walking dead? The symptoms are all there and it would help explain why the epidemic spread so fast and voraciously, the population of the world was hit hard by it. What do people think?

Please explain your hypothesis.
Focus on details.

Reiver

Wibbs wrote: »

In some outbreaks the plague went pneumonic and in that form the infected could go from feeling fine to dead very rapidly. It was reported that this could happen even mid sentence. Septicaemic type is very rapid too. A few hours IIRC. Bubonic can take a few days. If it ever went rogue again because of some random mutation then even modern medicine could be quickly overwhelmed.

There was more than one "plague" too. Chroniclers tended to lump all epidemics under one title. Virulent smallpox was added to the list. There was an odd one sometimes named the sweat or sweating fever that swept across Europe killing loads. Henry the 8th's missus Anne Boleyn barely survived it. Other types appeared to be akin to Ebola, IE haemorrhagic fevers. Another killed horses as well as people for some reason. Europe had rolling yearly plagues and epidemics as part of daily life for over a thousand years. We don't know we're born really. We're very lucky. And lucky too because if you are of European stock you're likely resistant to many fevers that would kill other populations. It's one theory why HIV didn't spread nearly so rapidly here. Indeed there are quite the percentage of Europeans who are essentially immune to the virus.

Fascinating part of history for me.

Thank you, very informative. Is it possible to see a resurgence of these plagues? Would they be as effective?

Jawgap

Wibbs wrote: »

In some outbreaks the plague went pneumonic and in that form the infected could go from feeling fine to dead very rapidly. It was reported that this could happen even mid sentence. Septicaemic type is very rapid too. A few hours IIRC. Bubonic can take a few days. If it ever went rogue again because of some random mutation then even modern medicine could be quickly overwhelmed.

There was more than one "plague" too. Chroniclers tended to lump all epidemics under one title. Virulent smallpox was added to the list. There was an odd one sometimes named the sweat or sweating fever that swept across Europe killing loads. Henry the 8th's missus Anne Boleyn barely survived it. Other types appeared to be akin to Ebola, IE haemorrhagic fevers. Another killed horses as well as people for some reason. Europe had rolling yearly plagues and epidemics as part of daily life for over a thousand years. We don't know we're born really. We're very lucky. And lucky too because if you are of European stock you're likely resistant to many fevers that would kill other populations. It's one theory why HIV didn't spread nearly so rapidly here. Indeed there are quite the percentage of Europeans who are essentially immune to the virus.

Fascinating part of history for me.

Yep, the health and nutrition status of a lot of the population would have left them vulnerable to infection and some of the burial and inhumation practices contributed to the spread.

Add to that war and famine and you get to how it spread so quickly. Bubonic plague (the Black Death outbreak) is reputed to have been carried westward into Europe with the advancing Mongol armies, who may have picked it up either in China or somewhere along their route of march - they made good use of the corpses of the dead though - flinging them into towns they were besieging to encourage them to submit.

Caffa was one place where they did it and there's a theory that Italian merchants fleeing the city in their ships brought it into southern Europe from whence it spread.

CINCLANTFLT

Collie D wrote: »

Like a lot of modern day conspiracies the Plague was blamed on the Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_Jewish_persecutions

Do I really need to spell this out for you:
http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/northsidewest/articles/2015/11/20/4109593-credit-unions-join-forces-in-major-merger/

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/goat

Darned Sheeple!!!!

Esel

Plaque causes plague. That's why dentists are rich, and alive.

CINCLANTFLT

http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/nor...-major-merger/

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/goat

The_Valeyard

Esel wrote: »

Plaque causes plague. That's why dentists are rich, and alive.

Hmmm


And many dentists have been dead inside for years!

Widdershins

Reiver wrote: »

Thank you, very informative. Is it possible to see a resurgence of these plagues? Would they be as effective?

Bubonic plague still turns up now and then but it's treatable with antibiotics .
Of course antibiotics are becoming obsolete and the race is on to discover new types that bacteria aren't resistant to ..

kneemos

Fast zombies or slow zombies?

CINCLANTFLT

kneemos wrote: »

Fast zombies or slow zombies?

This might help:
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/216/12/2201

Chijj

Something people might find interesting, Google the dancing plague...apparently it's victims danced until they died and couldn't help it. Seems to be well documented

CINCLANTFLT

Chijj wrote: »

Something people might find interesting, Google the dancing plague...apparently it's victims danced until they died and couldn't help it. Seems to be well documented

You're heading in the right direction - add this to it as well and you have all the answers in one place:
http://www.vice.com/read/ulak-tartysh-dead-goat-polo-kyrgyzstan-photos

wally79

Chijj wrote: »

Something people might find interesting, Google the dancing plague...apparently it's victims danced until they died and couldn't help it. Seems to be well documented

Wasn't there a film made about this.

I think Kevin Bacon was in it

CINCLANTFLT

wally79 wrote: »

Wasn't there a film made about this.

I think Kevin Bacon was in it

Yes! You see where we are going with this - this is the last piece - or is it?
http://www.nature.com/news/thousands-of-goats-and-rabbits-vanish-from-major-biotech-lab-1.19411

sally cinnamon89

9/11

Chijj

wally79 wrote: »

Wasn't there a film made about this.

I think Kevin Bacon was in it

Yeah, I think it was called the bus that couldn't slow down

jester77

The missing dinosaurs are surely a bigger cover up. Who dino-napped them, where did they hide them, where are they now :eek:

seamus

Reiver wrote: »

Thank you, very informative. Is it possible to see a resurgence of these plagues? Would they be as effective?

Any pathogen is unlikely to find itself as effective as plagues in times gone by.

Relatively simple hygiene methodologies are extremely effective at isolating a disease and preventing spread. Take Ebola as the recent example. Spreads like wildfire in areas where hygiene is poor and hygiene knowledge is poor. One American gets it and gets returned to America, and it doesn't spread from him to anyone else.

The last great pandemic - the spanish flu - was hot on the heels of World War 1 and likely was so devastating due to how badly compromised human populations were at that time.

Of course, there's always a never-say-never scenario. The right combination of factors can be deadly. If there were a disease which spread easily through multiple vectors, had a relatively long incubation period followed by a short activity period where it kills you, then a massive proportion of the population could be infected before anyone even realised it existed.

However with pathogens, there tends to be a correlation between how badly the host is affected and how easy it is to contract. So pathogens which spread easily also tend to be very severe. Think Norovirus (winter vomiting bug). Hence anything which is so severe as being likely to kill you, will also tend to confine you bed very quickly and limit its own spread.

Diseases which don't strike you down and leave you crippled don't spread as easily, so the chances of a disease having a long incubation period, spreading easily and killing you are pretty low.
This is why HIV was so scary when first discovered, as it wasn't well understood how it was contracted. However, the vectors through which HIV are spread are now know to be very limited.

CINCLANTFLT

seamus wrote: »

Any pathogen is unlikely to find itself as effective as plagues in times gone by.

Relatively simple hygiene methodologies are extremely effective at isolating a disease and preventing spread. Take Ebola as the recent example. Spreads like wildfire in areas where hygiene is poor and hygiene knowledge is poor. One American gets it and gets returned to America, and it doesn't spread from him to anyone else.

The last great pandemic - the spanish flu - was hot on the heels of World War 1 and likely was so devastating due to how badly compromised human populations were at that time.

Of course, there's always a never-say-never scenario. The right combination of factors can be deadly. If there were a disease which spread easily through multiple vectors, had a relatively long incubation period followed by a short activity period where it kills you, then a massive proportion of the population could be infected before anyone even realised it existed.

However with pathogens, there tends to be a correlation between how badly the host is affected and how easy it is to contract. So pathogens which spread easily also tend to be very severe. Think Norovirus (winter vomiting bug). Hence anything which is so severe as being likely to kill you, will also tend to confine you bed very quickly and limit its own spread.

Diseases which don't strike you down and leave you crippled don't spread as easily, so the chances of a disease having a long incubation period, spreading easily and killing you are pretty low.
This is why HIV was so scary when first discovered, as it wasn't well understood how it was contracted. However, the vectors through which HIV are spread are now know to be very limited.

Again... Do I really need to spell this out for you:
http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/nor...-major-merger/

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/goat

Darned Sheeple!!!!

ohnonotgmail

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Again... Do I really need to spell this out for you:
http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/nor...-major-merger/

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/goat

Darned Sheeple!!!!

makes as little sense the second time around.

sabat

There actually was a conspiracy here - they tried to pin it on the rats when it was just a regular airborne disease.

ohnonotgmail

sabat wrote: »

There actually was a conspiracy here - they tried to pin it on the rats when it was just a regular airborne disease.

it was the fleas on the rats that carried it, was it not?

sabat

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it was the fleas on the rats that carried it, was it not?

That's what we were always taught but it just wasn't true :
http://m.historyextra.com/article/international-history/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-black-death

I hold Denis O'Brien in no small way responsible for the Black Death.

ohnonotgmail

sabat wrote: »

That's what we were always taught but it just wasn't true :
http://m.historyextra.com/article/international-history/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-black-death

every day is a learning day

CINCLANTFLT

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

makes as little sense the second time around.

You would say that - let's look at a few other comments you have made on this topic:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94571170
and
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94843105

Go on admit it, you know the obvious link - Goat / Cabra != Cabra / Goat!

ohnonotgmail

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

You would say that - let's look at a few other comments you have made on this topic:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94571170
and
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94843105

Go on admit it, you know the obvious link - Goat / Cabra != Cabra / Goat!

i think you need to put down the whiskey bottle.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

This is nonsense, but bags I the rights for turning it into a script. Bendict Cumberbatch as the...blacksmith or something who starts to figure it all out, Mark Rylance as the priest who's all "there's no such thing as zombies, God would have told us,so fcuk off" and then when he dies he goes "You were right Benedict, I shouldn't have been so sceptical, I'm redeemed now". Marion Cotillard or someone can stand around and look worried and pretty, and Tom Hardy can go "arblegrarbe arf. Barg!"