Wrong think in Germany could mean you loose your driving license.

The Highwayman

A new law being drafted by the German justice minister could/will lead to your driving license being suspended for breaking the law. The pink elephant being used is it will be used on rich people because fines don't work. The German AA have already said this is rubbish as rich people can afford drivers and taxis. Obviously this law when passed will effect everyone. Heiko Maas the minister in question has been a leader in the effort to stamp out ANY decent about the refugees in Germany. Doors are being kicked in here in Germany by police if you FB or tweet about this issue in a negative light. Be in no doubt this law will be used to silence people. The threat of loosing your license and probably your job will naturally be very effective.
Personally I find this terrifying. I've lived in Germany for years however myself my German girlfriend and our baby daughter are leaving. We have had enough and are both giving up our jobs and moving to Ireland in the new year. So many Germans feel the same way but they feel they can't say anything or be labeled with the most horrific of labels in modern germany a 'Nazi'.
These are the lengths the German government are considering even after appointing a former Stazi official to censor social media with regards to anti refugee post online.

http://m.dw.com/en/germany-plans-to-introduce-license-suspensions-for-wealthy-offenders/a-19452905

Mods: I don't see this as a political issues. I see it as a human rights issue. The right to travel is a fundamental human right.

Fleawuss

One question: wtf is the pink elephant? I've heard of red herrings, wild geese, elephants in the room, pink pounds but the pink elephant? I'm racking my brains to see if I ever met it in all my gay travels.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Fleawuss wrote: »

One question: wtf is the pink elephant? I've heard of red herrings, wild geese, elephants in the room, pink pounds but the pink elephant? I'm racking my brains to see if I ever met it in all my gay travels.

Ever been to Amsterdam? Pink elephants... everywhere...

YFlyer

Fleawuss wrote: »

One question: wtf is the pink elephant? I've heard of red herrings, wild geese, elephants in the room, pink pounds but the pink elephant? I'm racking my brains to see if I ever met it in all my gay travels.

Was a club in Limerick pre 90s.

triona1

Fleawuss wrote: »

One question: wtf is the pink elephant? I've heard of red herrings, wild geese, elephants in the room, pink pounds but the pink elephant? I'm racking my brains to see if I ever met it in all my gay travels.

Leave it to the Germans

failinis

Fleawuss wrote: »

One question: wtf is the pink elephant?

Is that not a euphemism for drunken hallucinations?

triona1

YFlyer wrote: »

Was a club in Limerick pre 90s.

What about the unicorns that stab people?

LeinsterDub

The Highwayman wrote: »

. So many Germans feel the same way but they feel they can't say anything or be labeled with the most horrific of labels in modern germany a 'Nazi'.

Godwin-ing your own thread nice!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Hey OP, why are you moving to Ireland exactly? Where abouts in Germany are you living now? I don't believe any doors are getting kicked in if you FB or tweet about this issue in a negative light, however, if you post hate speech then that's a different matter to be honest.

People should be able to have free speech and question everything, but it shouldn't be a free pass to incite hatred or violence.

Arsemageddon

The Highwayman wrote: »

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The right to travel is a fundamental human right.

Having your driving licence taken away doesn't mean you can't travel, it just means you can't drive.

There is nothing in the link you posted about it being used to prosecute people being mean about refugees, have you a better one to back up your claims?

endacl

OK. Somebody has to....

Dafuq you on about?!?

Smondie

A fine calculated as a percentage of earnings like some of the Nordic coutries do, imho, would be more effective.

YFlyer

triona1 wrote: »

What about the unicorns that stab people?

Wat?

andekwarhola

Fleawuss wrote: »

One question: wtf is the pink elephant?

80s/90s cocktail bar in Dublin.

Pretty terrifying to threaten people with its return, tbh.

The Highwayman

Joe Repulsive Latch wrote: »

Hey OP, why are you moving to Ireland exactly? Where abouts in Germany are you living now? I don't believe any doors are getting kicked in if you FB or tweet about this issue in a negative light, however, if you post hate speech then that's a different matter to be honest.

People should be able to have free speech and question everything, but it shouldn't be a free pass to incite hatred or violence.

I'm Irish.

So why wouldn't I move my family here?

Having a German flag as your profile pic on a FB group page is enough for a judge here in germany to label your group a hate group and therefore label you as a fascist

http://www.therebel.media/german_couple_sentenced_after_creating_facebook_group_critical_of_migrant_influx_look_what_they_posted

Fr_Dougal

Great bunch of lads.

Grayson

If that law is making you leave germany you're very easy to offend

YFlyer

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Having your driving licence taken away doesn't mean you can't travel, it just means you can't drive.

There is nothing in the link you posted about it being used to prosecute people being mean about refugees, have you a better one to back up your claims?

They started it.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

The National Socialists would never have tolerated this. I wonder what Ireland would be like if the lads had won the war and colonised the isle. I'd say most folks would've loved it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The Highwayman wrote: »

I'm Irish.

So why wouldn't I move my family here?

Having a German flag as your profile pic on a FB group page is enough for a judge here in germany to label your group a hate group and therefore label you as a fascist

http://www.therebel.media/german_couple_sentenced_after_creating_facebook_group_critical_of_migrant_influx_look_what_they_posted

Your initial post is sensationalist, this post is also sensationalist. The job you gave up, it wasn't in some newspaper like the daily mail, or the sun per chance?

Why would you move your family to Ireland, quit your jobs etc. German media getting to you? Again, where abouts are you living?

Having a German flag on your facebook profile is NOT going to label your group a hate group. If your agenda is anti-regugee, then yea, you're rightly labelled a hate group. “The war and economic refugees are flooding our country. They bring terror, fear, sorrow. They rape our women and put our children at risk.” was their first post. Bit of a generalisation, no?

Arsemageddon

YFlyer wrote: »

They started it.

Don't mention the war!!!!

Ulysses Gaze

The Highwayman wrote: »

A new law being drafted by the German justice minister could/will lead to your driving license being suspended for breaking the law. The pink elephant being used is it will be used on rich people because fines don't work. The German AA have already said this is rubbish as rich people can afford drivers and taxis. Obviously this law when passed will effect everyone. Heiko Maas the minister in question has been a leader in the effort to stamp out ANY decent about the refugees in Germany. Doors are being kicked in here in Germany by police if you FB or tweet about this issue in a negative light. Be in no doubt this law will be used to silence people. The threat of loosing your license and probably your job will naturally be very effective.
Personally I find this terrifying. I've lived in Germany for years however myself my German girlfriend and our baby daughter are leaving. We have had enough and are both giving up our jobs and moving to Ireland in the new year. So many Germans feel the same way but they feel they can't say anything or be labeled with the most horrific of labels in modern germany a 'Nazi'.
These are the lengths the German government are considering even after appointing a former Stazi official to censor social media with regards to anti refugee post online.

http://m.dw.com/en/germany-plans-to-introduce-license-suspensions-for-wealthy-offenders/a-19452905

Mods: I don't see this as a political issues. I see it as a human rights issue. The right to travel is a fundamental human right.

If what you are saying is true, then the Germans can always vote Merkel and her party out of power at the next Elections if they do not like it.

The Highwayman

Arsemageddon wrote: »

The Highwayman wrote: »

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The right to travel is a fundamental human right.

Having your driving licence taken away doesn't mean you can't travel, it just means you can't drive.

There is nothing in the link you posted about it being used to prosecute people being mean about refugees, have you a better one to back up your claims?

Yes you have a right to travel in your privately owned mode of transportation. Breaking the law for some other offence should not effect this.

If your were aware of the politician in question you'd understand why I'm linking the refugees issue to this purposes law.

You can be brought to court and prosecuted for anything the government considers hate speech the laws are so open interpretation that anything can be used against you. However if you are a member of the religion of peace you can basically get away with anything.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55252

I know 3 people who posted about this on FB and their posts were pulled down. 1 who works at the airport was sat down in an office for a 'chat' it was explained to them that social media posts like this highlighting the fact that this guy wasn't charged are unacceptable. WTF?

The Highwayman

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The Highwayman wrote: »

A new law being drafted by the German justice minister could/will lead to your driving license being suspended for breaking the law. The pink elephant being used is it will be used on rich people because fines don't work. The German AA have already said this is rubbish as rich people can afford drivers and taxis. Obviously this law when passed will effect everyone. Heiko Maas the minister in question has been a leader in the effort to stamp out ANY decent about the refugees in Germany. Doors are being kicked in here in Germany by police if you FB or tweet about this issue in a negative light. Be in no doubt this law will be used to silence people. The threat of loosing your license and probably your job will naturally be very effective.
Personally I find this terrifying. I've lived in Germany for years however myself my German girlfriend and our baby daughter are leaving. We have had enough and are both giving up our jobs and moving to Ireland in the new year. So many Germans feel the same way but they feel they can't say anything or be labeled with the most horrific of labels in modern germany a 'Nazi'.
These are the lengths the German government are considering even after appointing a former Stazi official to censor social media with regards to anti refugee post online.

http://m.dw.com/en/germany-plans-to-introduce-license-suspensions-for-wealthy-offenders/a-19452905

Mods: I don't see this as a political issues. I see it as a human rights issue. The right to travel is a fundamental human right.

If what you are saying is true, then the Germans can always vote Merkel and her party out of power at the next Elections if they do not like it.

There law as it is planned at the moment will be passed before the next general election

YFlyer

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If what you are saying is true, then the Germans can always vote Merkel and her party out of power at the next Elections if they do not like it.

They would vote out any party that suggest speed limits on the Autobahn.

Arsemageddon

The Highwayman wrote: »

Yes you have a right to travel in your privately owned mode of transportation. Breaking the law for some other offence should not effect this.

If your were aware of the politician in question you'd understand why I'm linking the refugees issue to this purposes law.

You can be brought to court and prosecuted for anything the government considers hate speech the laws are so open interpretation that anything can be used against you. However if you are a member of the religion of peace you can basically get away with anything.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55252

I know 3 people who posted about this on FB and their posts were pulled down. 1 who works at the airport was sat down in an office for a 'chat' it was explained to them that social media posts like this highlighting the fact that this guy wasn't charged are unacceptable. WTF?

Bit ironic all this - a migrant living in Germany complaining about other migrants in Germany.

In all fairness lad, you sound a bit high strung. Stop reading all those daft fear mongering right-wing websites - it'll help you sleep easier.

Ulysses Gaze

The Highwayman wrote: »

There law as it is planned at the moment will be passed before the next general election

And could be repealed after the General Election by another party who wins it.

And I meant vote Merkel & co out as a result of the migrant crisis and all that goes with it.

Your Face

Just popped in to say:
Hitler!

Ulysses Gaze

Your Face wrote: »

Just popped in to say:
Hitler!

It's been done.....

YFlyer

Your Face wrote: »

Just popped in to say:
Hitler!

Heil

The Highwayman

No its not, we've already started planning our move you imbecile. Have you not watched any news over the last few weeks? Germany has being going down the tubes for the last 18 months.

If you want a full list of the incidents my girlfriend has gone through usually with our infant daughter over the last while with refugees just pm me.

I think you'll understand why we have already decided to get out of here.

Mod:banned

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The Highwayman wrote: »

No its not, we've already started planning our move you imbecile. Have you not watched any news over the last few weeks? Germany has being going down the tubes for the last 18 months.

If you want a full list of the incidents my girlfriend has gone through usually with our infant daughter over the last while with refugees just pm me.

I think you'll understand why we have already decided to get out of here.

Sure you could have said that instead of insinuating something else. Again, where do you live in Germany?

Grayson

The Highwayman wrote: »

No its not, we've already started planning our move you imbecile. Have you not watched any news over the last few weeks? Germany has being going down the tubes for the last 18 months.

If you want a full list of the incidents my girlfriend has gone through usually with our infant daughter over the last while with refugees just pm me.

I think you'll understand why we have already decided to get out of here.

Who's the imbecile? Is it me? Please say it's me.

Arsemageddon

Grayson wrote: »

Who's the imbecile? Is it me? Please say it's me.

I'm the imbecile........and so is my wife.

Ulysses Gaze

Grayson wrote: »

Who's the imbecile? Is it me? Please say it's me.

I thought you were the walrus? Or was it the Egg Man?

mahamageehad

Riiiiggggghhhhhtttt.
OP, you're being a tad dramatic, don't you think? You've every right to move to Ireland with your family, but we have some undesirable types here too! If you're worried about terrorism, stay away from the right wing newspapers here too, they find explosives and guns every other day up North.

In Germany, you can already lose your driving license for cycling a bike drunk. Are you living in East Germany maybe?

Aongus Von Bismarck

Complete nonsense.

JupiterKid

Because of its dark past, Germany is paranoid about racist, xenophobic and anti-immigrant speech. It's got to the point where Germans have to be very careful what they say, especially with respect to immigrants - although there is disturbing evidence that some immigrants have been engaged in very anti-social activity.

I think moving because of this is a tad over-reacting OP.

Wigglepuppy

The Highwayman wrote: »

Having a German flag as your profile pic on a FB group page is enough for a judge here in germany to label your group a hate group and therefore label you as a fascist

Just having a German flag as the profile picture? This cannot be true.

mahamageehad

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Just having a German flag as the profile picture? This cannot be true.

It's not true, the OP is over-exaggerating. The couple in question created a group called the Anti-Refugee movement. Their first post was:
“The war and economic refugees are flooding our country. They bring terror, fear, sorrow. They rape our women and put our children at risk.”

That is pretty much the definition of hate speech and the couple were just given a fine and a suspended sentence.

Aongus Von Bismarck

JupiterKid wrote: »

Because of its dark past, Germany is paranoid about racist, xenophobic and anti-immigrant speech. It's got to the point where Germans have to be very careful what they say, especially with respect to immigrants - although there is disturbing evidence that some immigrants have been engaged in very anti-social activity.

Not true at all. There is a continuous debate happening at the moment about the influence of post-war immigration, the principles of multiculturalism, and the current refugee situation on the fabric of a wider German society. You'll find it played out amongst players in the self-same society who aren't frothing at the mouth loons from the fringes of left wing and right wing politics. Where most decisions are made.

The Highwayman

mahamageehad wrote: »

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Just having a German flag as the profile picture? This cannot be true.

It's not true, the OP is over-exaggerating. The couple in question created a group called the Anti-Refugee movement. Their first post was:
The war and economic refugees are flooding our country. They bring terror, fear, sorrow. They rape our women and put our children at risk.

That is pretty much the definition of hate speech and the couple were just given a fine and a suspended sentence.

It is true.

What part of the statement is untrue?

As someone who lives here and has see the change the country and government has gone through over the last few years I feel of maybe in a slightly better position to understand what's going on here by actually being here, and not behind an Irish times.

Pat Mustard

The Highwayman wrote: »

Having a German flag as your profile pic on a FB group page is enough for a judge here in germany to label your group a hate group and therefore label you as a fascist

Showing an ordinary German flag is surely not illegal in Germany, of all places. :pac:

The attached yoke might be seen a bit differently.

mahamageehad

The Highwayman wrote: »

It is true.

What part of the statement is untrue?

As someone who lives here and has see the change the country and government has gone through over the last few years I feel of maybe in a slightly better position to understand what's going on here by actually being here, and not behind an Irish times.

The part of the statement where you said that having a flag as your profile picture is enough to be labelled as a hate group is untrue. Starting a hate group is enough to have you labelled as a fascist.

And I live in Germany too so, no, you're not necessarily in a better position to understand. I have never felt unsafe in Germany, and I live directly across from the refugee house in our community. In my experience, your views put you in the minority, most Germans I know believe that Merkel will not be voted out soon.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The Highwayman wrote: »

It is true.

What part of the statement is untrue?

As someone who lives here and has see the change the country and government has gone through over the last few years I feel of maybe in a slightly better position to understand what's going on here by actually being here, and not behind an Irish times.

What if another expat says you're full of crap?

Widdershins

You're not allowed to exist OP, you're opinions are inconvenient .
I don't know if you're truthful or not but have been practically told my own european friends with bad reports on the situation , can't exist , I''m sympathetic if nothing else and willing to try to find out more . .
If there is media censorship how can anyone check , without relying on more right wing sources who might be lying or who might be the only ones reporting on things .
If it's not true at all why try to shut you down . That doesn't seem right .

Wigglepuppy

I agree that there is bizarre downplaying of what's going on, but stuff like "You're not allowed to exist" is just making a mockery of the issue.

Nobody says people are not allowed to exist.

Widdershins

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

I agree that there is bizarre downplaying of what's going on, but stuff like "You're not allowed to exist" is just making a mockery of the issue.

Nobody says people are not allowed to exist.

If I mention a friend who gave a bad report similar to the op it is implied that there can be no such person with such a negative view because the other person knows someone from my friends area who had nothing bad to say about the subject. it's as if it's impossible for a person who has had a bad experience or view of anything related to this subject to exist . That is all i meant , not literally .

off now as people can take comments too literally and life's too short

Wibbs

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

I agree that there is bizarre downplaying of what's going on,

Aye and it can be very difficult to figure out what is actually going on. Ironic given the age of information we're living in. The mainstream media have certain biases. The BBC is almost painfully right on to the point where I simply wouldn't trust their reporting on this particular matter. Then you have Fox/Sky panic baiting the hard of thinking to the Right of centre. Alternative media just amps up the biases, often to the level of farce. Never mind the "barbarians at the gate" stuff, the West is at war with itself on a few levels.

The Backwards Man

It's a sure sign a thread is a load of balls when Aongus is the paragon of balance and common sense in it.

Calina

Driving is a privilege, not a right, OP.