Animals in public space

adr

Not sure if that is the right place to start this thread and I am guessing I will be shredded to pieces by animal lovers but does anyone else think animals should be banned/eradicated from the public space in the city? Take pigeon as an example or actually any other bird for that matter. Who the f*k thought "hey, this place is missing something, ah right, let's bring pigeons so they can sh*t on everything and everyone and spread diseases". City centres of majority of capital cities in Europe are spoiled by these flying rats.
Next on the list are dogs. Plenty of of signs "when your dog has done its business do yours" (suggesting shi**ing" too?) but I challenge anyone in Dublin do find a 500m stretch of road with no dog sh*t. Thank g0d it rains every other day in this country or we would have drowned in dog po*. Does anyone know anyone who has been fined for not cleaning up after their dog? Clearly fines don't work. My solution to the problem is the following: minimum 1k annual tax for owning a dog (or any other pet that needs to be walked) unless it's a guide dog, you are 60 yo or over (I have a kind heart for all these old and lonely people) or your pet does not leave your premises (love your pet? let it sh*t and pis* on your own lawn).

Bottom line: love animals? pay for the privilege, keep them on your premises or go to the zoo to see them.

Mod note: Moved from Animals & Pets forum

_Brian

What we need is enforcement of existing laws regarding dog fouling and
Keeping dogs under control.

Pigeons, well, the environment needs wild animals. People insist on feeding
Pigeons etc food that they shouldn't be getting, shyting on the humans as a result is hardly the fault of the birds as a result.

Kovu

adr wrote: »

Not sure if that is the right place to start this thread and I am guessing I will be shredded to pieces by animal lovers but does anyone else think animals should be banned/eradicated from the public space in the city? Take pigeon as an example or actually any other bird for that matter. Who the f*k thought "hey, this place is missing something, ah right, let's bring pigeons so they can sh*t on everything and everyone and spread diseases". City centres of majority of capital cities in Europe are spoiled by these flying rats.

How do you plan to keep birds away from cities, put a roof over them? Or a giant net? :D:D

Maybe a nice dome?

Well I think maybe, Just maybe, the birds just fly wherever they want...........

adr

_Brian wrote: »

What we need is enforcement of existing laws regarding dog fouling and

It is impossible. You would need someone watching the streets on literally every corner. Much more effective measure would be expensive pet tax. Walking a pet you need to carry valid tax disc same as driving a car. if you don't have it, you pay a fine and have to buy the disc or you pet is taken away.

adr

Kovu wrote: »

How do you plan to keep birds away from cities, put a roof over them? Or a giant net? :D:D

Information campaign (using the money now spent for cleaning the bird's guano) to stop feeding them for starters and a couple of predatory birds would naturally reduce the population. Then heavy fines for feeding and cull...

adr

bubblypop wrote: »

Well I think maybe, Just maybe, the birds just fly wherever they want...........

Well I think maybe, just maybe, the birds just fly in search of food. So just do not entice them?

adr

adr wrote: »

Well I think maybe, just maybe, the birds just fly in search of food. So just do not entice them?

Probably should ban cities then if that's the case.
Most food sources are around cities

Kovu

adr wrote: »

Information campaign (using the money now spent for cleaning the bird's guano) to stop feeding them for starters and a couple of predatory birds would naturally reduce the population. Then heavy fines for feeding and cull...

I've never met anyone who liked the pigeons in Dublin, they feed on any sort of waste thrown about too so you'd have to clamp down heavier on littering too.
Seagulls are also a big problem and they don't have many natural predators that fly, pretty difficult to keep them out of a coastal city too.

muddypaws

So now, if you are blind and have a guide dog, you are going to be taxed heavily, not enough that you are disabled, you are going to have to pay for the privilege of being able to get out and about. I guess we could ask everyone with an assistance dog just to stay at home and never venture out into the world.

bmwguy

If I paid my 1k annual dog tax because she goes to toilet outside would I be exempt from picking up after her?

The 1k from every dog owner would pay to employ public servants to pick it up there could even be a number to ring to tell them where to collect.

Or would I still have to pick it up and be 1k lighter in the bank balance? If so, I am out.

Bells21

adr wrote:

Next on the list are dogs. Plenty of of signs "when your dog has done its business do yours" (suggesting shi**ing" too?) but I challenge anyone in Dublin do find a 500m stretch of road with no dog sh*t. Thank g0d it rains every other day in this country or we would have drowned in dog po*.

Try and find a 500m stretch of road on a Saturday/Sunday morning that isn't covered in vomit/urine or even human excrement.

Gen.Zhukov

adr wrote: »

My solution to the problem is the following: minimum 1k annual tax for owning a dog (or any other pet that needs to be walked)

That's really going to reduce the amount of dogs roaming the streets alright.

I'll stick with the old adage " never trust a man that doesn't like animals "

adr

bubblypop wrote: »

Probably should ban cities then if that's the case.
Most food sources are around cities

Just do not feed them in the city centre. Let them move and spread over the country area and dumping grounds.

Kovu wrote: »

I've never met anyone who liked the pigeons in Dublin,

Yet everyday you see people feeding them

Kovu wrote: »

Seagulls

I am trying to be realistic here, let's start with pigeons. Combating dumping would definitely help but even starting with not feeding should make a noticeable difference.

muddypaws wrote: »

So now, if you are blind and have a guide dog

Read the OP again...

bmwguy wrote: »

If I paid my 1k annual dog tax because she goes to toilet outside would I be exempt from picking up after her?

No, same as paying the road tax does not exempt you from obeying the road rules.

Bells21 wrote: »

Try and find a 500m stretch of road on a Saturday/Sunday morning that isn't covered in vomit/urine or even human excrement.

It is a separate issue to combat. Totally agree vomiting/urinating people should be heavily fined too. I do not understand why this is not already happening. You're are a guard, see someone urinating on the street? Book the bast*rd.

adr

1.618 wrote: »

I'll stick with the old adage " never trust a man that doesn't like animals "

I like animals... on National Geographic, on a trip to the country or in the zoo. There is simply no need for them in the citys' public space.

bmwguy

No, same as paying the road tax does not exempt you from obeying the road rules.

Not paying so. All give no take.

Gen.Zhukov

adr wrote: »

I like animals... on National Geographic, on a trip to the country or in the zoo. There is simply no need for them in the citys' public space.

I'm not going to bother my hole getting into the argument as the original post is borderline trolling.

toptom

bubblypop wrote: »

Well I think maybe, Just maybe, the birds just fly wherever they want...........

Because they are left to get away with it, I've shot a few dozen crows over the years and they know now not to hang around my house, Shooting and poison will keep the flying rats away from public spaces

Mod note... It is illegal to use poison to control bird populations. Please do not use this forum to advocate illegal practises.
Thanks,
DBB

adr

adr wrote: »

I like animals... on National Geographic, on a trip to the country or in the zoo. There is simply no need for them in the citys' public space.

They were probably there before the city.


Tbf, the amount of filthy humans I see pissing & puking all over the streets at night time is a lot more than any animals I see doing the same.
And the smell on the streets isn't from animal urine

Kovu

toptom wrote: »

Because they are left to get away with it, I've shot a few dozen crows over the years and they know now not to hang around my house, Shooting and poison will keep the flying rats away from public spaces

Corvids are way, way more intelligent than pigeons though. While I don't like pigeons very much I am not overly bothered by them either. They found a way to use humans to get easy food, same as the urban foxes have.

Bells21

toptom wrote:

Because they are left to get away with it, I've shot a few dozen crows over the years and they know now not to hang around my house, Shooting and poison will keep the flying rats away from public spaces

Did they send a tweet warning others to stay away from the house with the man that has a gun? Shooting in a built up area like a city doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

dunworth1

Yay another high and mighty thread.

Thankfully your ideas will never happen.

adr

bmwguy wrote: »

Not paying so. All give no take.

Not having a pet then. No road tax, no driving. Simple

John_Rambo

adr wrote: »

Not sure if that is the right place to start this thread and I am guessing I will be shredded to pieces by animal lovers but does anyone else think animals should be banned/eradicated from the public space in the city? Take pigeon as an example or actually any other bird for that matter. Who the f*k thought "hey, this place is missing something, ah right, let's bring pigeons so they can sh*t on everything and everyone and spread diseases". City centres of majority of capital cities in Europe are spoiled by these flying rats
Bottom line: love animals? pay for the privilege, keep them on your premises or go to the zoo to see them.

Fair point on the dog soiling. It's not acceptable.

But seriously, Bottom line (as you say). How many diseases have you caught from pigeons? Or any other bird, or by any other animal?

I'm obviously extremely lucky. I live in a city with deer, otters, dolphins, seals, whales, badgers, foxes, herons, curlews, falcons, owls, crows, sparrows, tits, squirrels, rats, shrews, hedgehogs, voles, hares, rabbits.. etc etc the list goes on... AND... I'm an enabler! I've designed my garden to encourage insect life which encourages further wildlife.

Yet, I'm miraculously disease free!

Unbelievable!!

Give me a list of diseases that you suffer from that are directly related to the animals in your city. Not the ones that you could contract,but the diseases you currently suffer from.

muddypaws

So how do people get guide dogs, if nobody is going to breed dogs, as they won't be able to afford to?

Gen.Zhukov

toptom wrote: »

Because they are left to get away with it, I've shot a few dozen crows over the years and they know now not to hang around my house, Shooting and poison will keep the flying rats away from public spaces

Don't mind all that .22 cal and 12 bore stuff......this is what you need to blast the feckers. Cheek of them flying anywhere near your place eh.

Spanish Eyes

1.618 wrote: »

That's really going to reduce the amount of dogs roaming the streets alright.

I'll stick with the old adage " never trust a man that doesn't like animals "

And I suppose you trust every woman who does?

This is a contentious thread.

There are those who like animals/birds etc. and those who don't. That's life.

We cannot convince either cohort to either begin to hate animals or to begin to love them.

The only thing that gets me (apart from owners not picking their dog's mess) is letting dogs off the lead in a public park. That can be terrifying for older people, children, and those who have a fear of dogs. Dogs off the leash can just bound over to you, or race towards you and no one knows their intention.

The owners will always say " ah that's a great dog, wouldn't harm a fly, only having a bit of fun with you" whereas the recipient of the dog's energy is absolutely terrified, but the owner nonchalantly shakes head and wonders why you might be scared sh itless.

A little bit of consideration for everyone in a public space would be very good IMO.

Smondie

Cats haven't been mentioned yet. They'd pull in a few million for the country. Walked on leads and not allowed roam unsupervised.

Gen.Zhukov

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

And I suppose you trust every woman who does?

It's a saying. Take it up with the gender police.

moc moc a moc

adr wrote: »

Take pigeon as an example or actually any other bird for that matter. City centres of majority of capital cities in Europe are spoiled by these flying rats.

Yeah, they should put signs up or something, who do those feckin pigeons think they are

:rolleyes:

adr

John_Rambo wrote: »

Fair point on the dog soiling. It's not acceptable.

It's unacceptable yet it happens all over the city every single day. What is your solution to the problem?

John_Rambo wrote: »

Yet, I'm miraculously disease free!

Unbelievable!!

It is not because animals do not spread them. It's thanks to medical progress and vaccines you do not suffer.
But for example things get more serious with toxoplasmosis carried by cats which can be dangerous to pregnant women.

I'm fine with animals living in the wild and you can even have a zoo in your back garden as long as it is confined to your property.


Again my point is: love pets?, keep them for yourself or if you have to show them to the rest of the society pay a tax high enough to really test your love for animals (except for cases mentioned in the OP).

Does anyone here really thinks city centres would lose something by eradicating pigeons (for starters)?


Another crazy idea - need something to take care of and want to make something really good for this world? Make babies or if you can't adopt one (or two or more). Contrary to pets they grow out of sh*tting everywhere, they are useful (they can do shopping for you or pay your pension one day), they are smart (not smart like "sit" or "fetch" but actually smart like play chess, instrument or read smart), most of them do not stink and they do not bite or hump your leg (and if they do they grow out of it).

DBB

Mod note: Thread moved from Animals & Pets forum... A different charter now applies.
Thanks.

adr

DBB wrote: »

Mod note: Thread moved from Animals & Pets forum... A different charter now applies.
Thanks.

Thanks for moving the thread

evolving_doors

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

And I suppose you trust every woman who does?

This is a contentious thread.

There are those who like animals/birds etc. and those who don't. That's life.

We cannot convince either cohort to either begin to hate animals or to begin to love them.

The only thing that gets me (apart from owners not picking their dog's mess) is letting dogs off the lead in a public park. That can be terrifying for older people, children, and those who have a fear of dogs. Dogs off the leash can just bound over to you, or race towards you and no one knows their intention.

The owners will always say " ah that's a great dog, wouldn't harm a fly, only having a bit of fun with you" whereas the recipient of the dog's energy is absolutely terrified, but the owner nonchalantly shakes head and wonders why you might be scared sh itless.

A little bit of consideration for everyone in a public space would be very good IMO.

^^^^^ agree
Can't bring kids to local parks anymore, dog excrement everywhere, no dogs on leads.. Dogpoobags hanging from trees like some sick Christmas.
People bring their dog's from other areas.
Dogs jumping and knocking over kids too many times to mention...
"ahh there harmless, they never hurt a fly"

Pac1Man

We definitely need to ban banning. It's such a cowardly and weak minded reaction to anything we disagree or are upset with.

Kovu

Kovu wrote: »

I've never met anyone who liked the pigeons in Dublin

The idiots who feed them seem to find them pretty fcuking amusing. Shower of counts.

Why does a grown adult feed pigeons? Soft in the head, or what? I don't know, but I might ask that chap who brings a big Lidl bag of bread to the canal every morning.

They are vectors of disease that are particularly harmful for kids, such as lysteria and meningitis, so I'm not sure why anyone tolerates them at all.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I have two DDs (darling dogs), so that would be 2k tax. So does that mean they can **** wherever they want? Seems like good value to me. All about the eazy lyf.

buried

I thought the Taliban & ISIS were bad but even those lame twits don't want to ban half as much as some of the users up in here.

Specialun

Why not tax the pigeons

bodice ripper

Pigeons and rats have adapted beautifully to the hideous environment we provided for them. They aren't dirty - we are dirty. Leave the little enterprising bastards alone.

mzungu

Whats wrong with animals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDlrRQ6Yzis

adr

It's about making the city cleaner

gw80

I have often taught how dirty the streets would be if it wasn't for some animals like crows, seagulls and foxes picking up biological waste, think of the maggots and flys that would be around if all OUR waste was left around

jimmy blevins

As long as they keep away from my pubic space.

bodhrandude

We are not actually feeding the pigeons, they hover around parks when we are eating, sometimes contents fall out of your sandwich and before you know it about 5 pigeons are chasing this crumb. So what now, ban people from eating lunches in parks because it attracts gulls and pigeons. :pac:

KungPao

What a fcking stupid thread.

FFS.

gw80

gw80 wrote: »

I have often taught how dirty the streets would be if it wasn't for some animals like crows, seagulls and

how much time have you wasted on this "taught"?

I assure you, they are vermin.

There are perfectly good dustmen who also clean our streets.

We do not need the pigeon malingerer.

kowloon

Kovu wrote: »

Corvids are way, way more intelligent than pigeons though. While I don't like pigeons very much I am not overly bothered by them either. They found a way to use humans to get easy food, same as the urban foxes have.

Pigeons are actually quite smart. Most significantly, they can pass the mirror test. They don't get the credit they deserve.

Esel

KungPao wrote: »

What a fcking stupid thread.

FFS.

Worthy of Andy.

Fabb

The only solution is to bomb any cities found in violation of having more than 3 pidgeon's in the area.

Problem solved.

Esel

Fabb wrote: »

The only solution is to bomb any cities found in violation of having more than 3 pidgeon's in the area.

Problem solved.

Worthy of Fap.